Trade Ja v2.0

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On 5/21/2023 at 8:52 PM, BigHunkALove said:

Yeah I'd be very tempted to do that for two reasons:

1. I'm sceptical that the model of the PG being the star player will win you a championship, especially a PG that doesn't really have a feared outside shot.

2. Attitude - the repeated breaches, coupled with being humbled in the playoffs, and then going out an doing exactly what you got into trouble for in the fiest place is very worrisome. And refusing (alledgedly) to take advice from respected elders of the game.

There arent many players I'd make the trade for. None of the KD, Harden, Bron generation, not even Jaylen Brown, but I would give a long hard think about Ingram

I think #1 on this list is spot on and very concerning.  Is Ja a better PG than CP3? Right now overall it’s close cause of CP3 age but because Ja simply is not a knock down shooter, it’s gonna limit him a lot. Ja is NOT gonna be able to dominate the NBA by taking his 6-3, 170 lb frame into the lane time and time again and thinking he will score over multiple players who are 7’ tall and super athletic long armed forwards and guards trailing behind just waiting for him to shoot so they can swat it into the seats. 
Look at Ja’s big scoring nights when he goes for high 30s, 40s, 50– he has his outside shot working . 
I would fear CP3s 3pt shot on a game in game out basis more than Ja’s. That’s why I bring Paul up. He has been a superstar in the league but has never won a championship. He could be almost unstoppable when was younger and he can shoot better than Ja. Ja has a lot of work to do. Just watching the playoffs as they have progressed, I just don’t think at his age today, Ja has what it takes to win a championship and definitely doesn’t have what it takes to be a leader on a team that wins one. It takes discipline and commitment and total buy in. Ja doesn’t even come out on the court with his teammates. He always comes out last. You can roll your eyes about something that seems insignificant but it shows how he feels . He’s the man and he will do as he pleases. Even Lebron comes out at the same time as his team. I guess my eyes have been opened to how much this team lacks in order to win it all. Oh they are fun in the regular season and they will have good records, but until Ja matures, I can’t see this team going much past the 2nd round. 
This has nothing to do with talent. This is leadership, commitment, discipline. Ja and the 2nd video just shows that he doesn’t have it—-YET.  
But even as good as Ja is or could be, I agree with you BigHunkALove about the model with the PG being the superstar yet can’t shoot from the outside. I guess Steph Curry is maybe a PG but who knows. He’s the greatest shooter in the last 50 years so maybe he could pull it off but otherwise, it’s hard to make that situation work. 

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3 hours ago, Dwash said:

I dont get the trading in division stuff.  All in all you play against ten conference teams 4 times per year (6 non division) and the other four teams you play three times.  And even compared to the games against the East its just 2 extra games.  How much of a driving factor should a maximum one or two games be in any trade?  Not much imo.

100%.  This isn't the NFL where almost 40% of games are in division.  No one when cares about division titles in the NBA.  Just make the best trade available.   

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I'll never click a link to watch a video of a person talking.   

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6 minutes ago, kevofrommempho said:

I'll never click a link to watch a video of a person talking.   

I'm 100 percent sure you've clicked a video of a person talking before 

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How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

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5 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

 

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9 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

To be fair to Memphis and the forums in particular, I don't think this is the majority view by far. Just the noisiest.

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

We've already had one.  His name was Pau Gasol.  Might not have had as much endorsement/hype but he was a similar level of player.

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51 minutes ago, kevofrommempho said:

We've already had one.  His name was Pau Gasol.  Might not have had as much endorsement/hype but he was a similar level of player.

Pau was a secondary star, not a lead in Memphis. Ja is a lead star. Pau benefited being paired with Kobe Bryant. 

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6 hours ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

Not the first sign, about the 5th or 6th. While I am pro trading Ja, I am not for trading Ja no matter what. There has to be something good in return. But the constant news cycle surrounding him is a major distraction. Let's not even get into what happens if he goes from flashing a gun to getting into actual gun violence- does he do something that leads to an arrest? Does he get shot? Does he shoot someone? Memphis is the place to be dancing with guns. People will shoot at him for the notoriety of shooting at Ja Morant. 

Ja's value is down compared to last year. You most likely won't get full value in a trade. But I still think he has significant value and that you could get a good return for him. I am only for trading him because I don't think he is going to change. So I'd rather get a good return on it now, than get nothing if things do happen to get worse. I think of it as a stock. I paid $100 for it. It appears to be crashing. I can hold onto it and see what happens. If someone is offering me $90 for it, I'm cashing out. If they are only offering $9 for it, I will hold on and see if it bounces back. 

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6 hours ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

He should be practicing shooting 3s.

Lots of them.

Especially now he will have plenty of "free time"

Isn't that what you expected from Jaren, to practice and work hard in the offseason?

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7 hours ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

Ja is doing just about everything he could posibly do to jeopardize that elite star status. Do you want to get out ahead of it while he still has some value or do you want to wait until he succeeds at ruining his career and has no value? Nike already took his shoes off the shelves, Poweraid removed him from their adds. How much star power will he actually have if this continues. And that's just the off court stuff, what if he has a career arc similar to Rose or Wall? Couple great years but then early physical decline leaves him a shadow of his former self before he has a chance to truly compete for a championship?

I think we have enough other good pieces that if we make the right trade we can continue to grow as a team and become legit contenders in a year or two and let Ja's nonsense be somebody else's problem.

That's where I'm at with it at this point, tomorrow I may have a totally different take. It all comes down to what we can get for him, but I'd do that Ingram trade with no hesitation if that were something that was on the table.

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14 hours ago, chipc3 said:

How many years have people dreamed of getting an elite Star in Memphis. Now that we have one people want to get rid of him with the first sign of trouble. Memphis really is a city of miserables. 

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Philly fans wasn’t screaming trade Ai, the Lakers fans weren’t screaming trade Kobe, heck the Wizards weren’t even screaming trade Gilbert Arenas. The hack yall doin. 

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On 5/24/2023 at 8:55 AM, southbluffsgrizzfan said:

I think #1 on this list is spot on and very concerning.  Is Ja a better PG than CP3? Right now overall it’s close cause of CP3 age but because Ja simply is not a knock down shooter, it’s gonna limit him a lot. Ja is NOT gonna be able to dominate the NBA by taking his 6-3, 170 lb frame into the lane time and time again and thinking he will score over multiple players who are 7’ tall and super athletic long armed forwards and guards trailing behind just waiting for him to shoot so they can swat it into the seats. 
Look at Ja’s big scoring nights when he goes for high 30s, 40s, 50– he has his outside shot working . 
I would fear CP3s 3pt shot on a game in game out basis more than Ja’s. That’s why I bring Paul up. He has been a superstar in the league but has never won a championship. He could be almost unstoppable when was younger and he can shoot better than Ja. Ja has a lot of work to do. Just watching the playoffs as they have progressed, I just don’t think at his age today, Ja has what it takes to win a championship and definitely doesn’t have what it takes to be a leader on a team that wins one. It takes discipline and commitment and total buy in. Ja doesn’t even come out on the court with his teammates. He always comes out last. You can roll your eyes about something that seems insignificant but it shows how he feels . He’s the man and he will do as he pleases. Even Lebron comes out at the same time as his team. I guess my eyes have been opened to how much this team lacks in order to win it all. Oh they are fun in the regular season and they will have good records, but until Ja matures, I can’t see this team going much past the 2nd round. 
This has nothing to do with talent. This is leadership, commitment, discipline. Ja and the 2nd video just shows that he doesn’t have it—-YET.  
But even as good as Ja is or could be, I agree with you BigHunkALove about the model with the PG being the superstar yet can’t shoot from the outside. I guess Steph Curry is maybe a PG but who knows. He’s the greatest shooter in the last 50 years so maybe he could pull it off but otherwise, it’s hard to make that situation work. 

Excellent resume. If i was the FO, will move forward. I will be very happy to get wrong on this occasion but i  don;t think we gonna win anything with JA.

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3 hours ago, King Dork said:

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Philly fans wasn’t screaming trade Ai, the Lakers fans weren’t screaming trade Kobe, heck the Wizards weren’t even screaming trade Gilbert Arenas. The hack yall doin. 

Who's "screaming"?

Nobody

"Considering"?

Its consequential

 

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2 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

Who's "screaming"?

Nobody

"Considering"?

Its consequential

 

Go back and look at the tone of some of the older posts, especially right after each scandal was revealed. I'd say those would qualify as "screaming", or at least the equivalent in an online forum.

That said, we can consider whatever we want, but giving up on the only bonafide superstar (flawed as he is) we've landed in 30 years shouldn't be done glibly.

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5 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

Go back and look at the tone of some of the older posts, especially right after each scandal was revealed. I'd say those would qualify as "screaming", or at least the equivalent in an online forum.

That said, we can consider whatever we want, but giving up on the only bonafide superstar (flawed as he is) we've landed in 30 years shouldn't be done glibly.

I doubt there is a single person who wants Ja to flame out.

There are a lot of concerned people, probably including the FO, that Ja is not going to be able to pull himself together, or get worse.

Contingencies need to be considered for every eventuality. It would be irresponsible if they weren't

 

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15 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

He should be practicing shooting 3s.

Lots of them.

Especially now he will have plenty of "free time"

Isn't that what you expected from Jaren, to practice and work hard in the offseason?

Yep but I wasn''t starting threads to trade JJJ either. I just wanted him to do what he did and work on improving his game. I wan the same for Ja now. He should be practicing his weaknesses not driving around on social media acting like a fool. 

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7 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Yep but I wasn''t starting threads to trade JJJ either. I just wanted him to do what he did and work on improving his game. I wan the same for Ja now. He should be practicing his weaknesses not driving around on social media acting like a fool. 

Agreed

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On 5/25/2023 at 1:20 AM, King Dork said:

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Philly fans wasn’t screaming trade Ai, the Lakers fans weren’t screaming trade Kobe, heck the Wizards weren’t even screaming trade Gilbert Arenas. The hack yall doin. 

Kobe was on trial for rape, actual criminal trial, and Lakers kept him and nobody said squat and he wasn't even suspended. The Ja stuff isn't even in that ballpark.

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2 hours ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

Kobe was on trial for rape, actual criminal trial, and Lakers kept him and nobody said squat and he wasn't even suspended. The Ja stuff isn't even in that ballpark.

Kobe was never on trial for rape.  Let me preface this by saying that I was never a big fan of Kobe due to his arrogance, sense of entitlement, and because he played for the Hollywood team.  But the fact of it is that, though his accuser at first accused rape, she refused to testify, and instead opted for a civil suit.  She was supposedly on some anti-psychotic medication at the time, and allegedly had twice previously tried suicide by sleeping pills.  Now Kobe may have just paid her off to drop the charges, or it could've been a shakedown.  Anyway, it never came to trial.

I do get your point about all the fuss, but I think it's just the NBA's increasing effort to clean up its image by policing off-court actions in the wake of scandals like the Kobe incident as well as Arenas/Crittenton, the Morris twins, and Miles Bridges, etc.  They want to make the league respectable.

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The only reason I would trade Ja is if it helps Ja get his life together.  In other words, if Ja asks to be traded to get him away from some sort of personal crisis he feels trapped in if he stays in Memphis - I would work with him to get him to where he wants to be.  The franchise may suffer for a while, but ... screw it - we'll just have to work through it.

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On 5/25/2023 at 1:20 AM, King Dork said:

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Philly fans wasn’t screaming trade Ai, the Lakers fans weren’t screaming trade Kobe, heck the Wizards weren’t even screaming trade Gilbert Arenas. The hack yall doin. 

I'm sure there were a small portion of their fan base that was