Trade Ja v2.0

[BigHunkALove 0]

There is no repentance.

No turning back.

Nurse a mug (knucklehead) he dies in your arms.

If the embarrassment and the shame of being bounced in the 1st rnd is not enough to get you focused to be better to succeed, especially after embarrassing yourself in front of the whole league with the "we good" comment, then it's a lost cause.

Ain't never gonna happen.

The longer the FO waits, the lower the return value will be

So far, these are the proposals I've seen discussed, can we get any of them done:

1. Trade with Pelicans for Ingram+Daniels

- Personally I like this trade, take it if there is nothing better on the table right now

2. Trade with Brooklyn for Bridges

This would be the preferred, but I just don't see how Brooklyn would make this trade. Someone said Bridges+Johnson + picks for Morant, but no way I see Brooklyn doing this. If this was an option I'd jump on this right now, waking people up at midnight to get it done. Why would they give us picks on top of Bridges AND Johnson?

3. Trade with Spurs for their top 3 pick, Keldon Johnson and other parts.

I like this, I've long thought Keldon Johnson is vgood, but this deal seems to take us back to where we were 4 years ago, hoping a top pick works out. I wanna win now, before Jaren and Des turn 30.

4. I thought of one, considering that Ja's value is very diminished, is if another TO "dumb enough" to make a deal right now, and other FO''s know we are playing with a weak hand:

T'Wolves: Ant Edwards+Conley

salaries match, pretty weak return, T'Wolves got no more 1sts we could fleece from them right now, we'd have to flip Conley to increase value of the trade, which would be very hard at his salary. Bottom of the barrel return.

Any others?

I am hoping the FO is not hoping that the situation will magically turn around into redemption, because that is a losing hope. Face the facts.

[FrenchGrizzlies 0]

Agree with you. Lost cause. Move forward.

[grizzgolf 0]

But what if I would rather keep him? 

 

I don't think his "friends" and his father who loves living in his sons star life are a huge help. 

 

I mean he's gone most of the season and if that doesn't hit him in the head then I can go back to the trade him.

[ACGrizz 0]

Might be time to sticky this one even if he seems to turn it around...

 

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

[memphis slim 0]

I don’t know if the league will even allow a trade with him right now. this is far bigger than the memphis across his chest right now. this goes to the global nba and nike logos within his uniform. 

slim. 

[Teddy.B 0]

The guy has tanked his value and handcuffed the FO's ability to make moves this off season. (uncertainty surrounding his availability and commitment) 

[Ndq0327 0]

42 minutes ago, memphis slim said:

I don’t know if the league will even allow a trade with him right now. this is far bigger than the memphis across his chest right now. this goes to the global nba and nike logos within his uniform. 

slim. 

Yea I think the league is about to make an example out of him. He’s about to get the untouchable status for the wrong reason it’s been floated around on Twitter that a long suspension can go one or two ways.

Ja finally understands and gets it together or he completely spirals and he’s a lost cause. With his unwillingness to change the way he acts so far since the last incident I find it really hard to believe that he would do anything differently if he got suspended again.

[Gradey 0]

Its the uncertainty aspect of it that makes me worry.  That and a continued penchant for making bad decisions.  Not what you want from your point guard...the guy who is in charge of making a lot of decisions on the floor constantly. 

I dont think Im to the trade him point though.  I dont think you could get fair player value (not the image stuff but the actual on the court production) at this time.  His image is shot but thats not as concerning to me personally as the potential loss of availability and the pattern of horrible decision making being displayed.

 

[bhoyal 0]

1 hour ago, ACGrizz said:

Might be time to sticky this one even if he seems to turn it around...

 

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

 

That was certainly from the GOP foot-in-mouth collection.

My favorite is when they asked Dan Quayle what he thought about Red China. 

"It looks nice on a black tablecloth" 😆

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

1. Trade to ORL for Franz Wagner + Markell Fultz + Picks
2. Trade to TOR for OG + Flynn + picks
3. Trade to NETs for Bridges + Royce ONeal or Dorian Finney Smith + picks. 

Keep in mind cannot include S&T players with other players for trades.   That's why i dont suggest, Cam Johnson, FVV, or Gary Trent Jr.  

[Ndq0327 0]

I think the Orlando trade would be the easiest to get done and the Grizz could possibly get both of their lotto picks this year. 
 

I’d do Ja, ZW, and 25 for Franz Fultz and both lotto pics. Orlando has a top 10 pick and Chicago’s lotto pick which is somewhere between 10-15 I think.

 

[The Truth is OUT 0]

2 hours ago, memphis slim said:

I don’t know if the league will even allow a trade with him right now. this is far bigger than the memphis across his chest right now. this goes to the global nba and nike logos within his uniform. 

slim. 

If people want to have this conversation, it's a free country.

Personally, I think it's counterproductive, as it's pure fantasy right now. I agree with Slim, I think the league would veto any trades (as is their ability) until at least after the coming suspension. Not that it's likely even then.

Let's face it. Talent-wise, Ja is generational. If he continues to grow and develop as a basketball player, there's no telling what his ceiling is. He is a franchise-destiny-changing talent and box office draw. No team, especially a small-market team, is going to just give up on that. It can get worse, and it will have to for Memphis to say goodbye. If we ever trade Ja, it's because he's truly broken. And then we won't get anything for him.

We have an example of this in our own franchise. Z-bo was a reclamation project. That's why we were able to get him for a end-of-career Quentin Richardson. In fact, a lot of people were worried about what bringing Z-bo in would do to our bench, as he was still mainly remembered for being a "JailBlazer". Truly our only "lightning-in-a-bottle" that worked. It's easy to forget how forgettable and unexciting that trade seemed until it panned out. 

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

1 minute ago, Ndq0327 said:

I think the Orlando trade would be the easiest to get done and the Grizz could possibly get both of their lotto picks this year. 
 

I’d do Ja, ZW, and 25 for Franz Fultz and both lotto pics. Orlando has a top 10 pick and Chicago’s lotto pick which is somewhere between 10-15 I think.

 

I'll take back Fultz too, we at least need that money to match some salary and allows us to use Tyus in other trades.  He is only 23y and finally started showing some of talent that got him drafted No#1.   He has good size and plays defense even if his shooting isnt great.  Still tons of upside. 

Fultz/Tyus

Bane/Kennard

Franz/Jake/Draft

Jaren/Santi/Roddy/BC

Adams/Tillman/Lofton

 

Or we can keep Tyus and add Gary Harris to the deal.  Which gives us a ton of shooting and solid Vet.  That is the safe route. 

Tyus/Gary

Bane/Kennard

Franz/Jake/Draft

Jaren/Santi/Roddy/BC

Adams/Tillman/Lofton

This roster has NO bad shooters from the perimeter.  Looks like a regular season 50win team as long as jaren is healthy. 

[chipc3 0]

40 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

I think the Orlando trade would be the easiest to get done and the Grizz could possibly get both of their lotto picks this year. 
 

I’d do Ja, ZW, and 25 for Franz Fultz and both lotto pics. Orlando has a top 10 pick and Chicago’s lotto pick which is somewhere between 10-15 I think.

I sincerely doubt Orlando would do that deal. They love Fultz and Franz and see them as core pieces. The lottery picks will likely be their last for a while. They have a solid team.

I doubt they break it up for a super star PG with mental issues, a bust and the 25th pick. I wouldn't do that. I spend a lot of time in Orlando and they believe Paulo is a budding star, Franz, Fultz, Carter and Anthony as excellent complimentary pieces and Bol Bol is an interesting project. In a sense they are Memphis from three years ago with better draft picks. 

[Ndq0327 0]

9 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

I sincerely doubt Orlando would do that deal. They love Fultz and Franz and see them as core pieces. The lottery picks will likely be their last for a while. They have a solid team.

I doubt they break it up for a super star PG with mental issues, a bust and the 25th pick. I wouldn't do that. I spend a lot of time in Orlando and they believe Paulo is a budding star, Franz, Fultz, Carter and Anthony as excellent complimentary pieces and Bol Bol is an interesting project. In a sense they are Memphis from three years ago with better draft picks. 

They might think Memphis is the reason Ja is acting so wildly and a change of scenery might help they really aren’t giving all that much away for a legit and young superstar.

Franz and 2 lotto picks they may like Fultz but are they gonna say Fultz is better than Ja.

I mean all of this is hypothetical and the grizzlies aren’t thinking about trading Ja anyways

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

7 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

I sincerely doubt Orlando would do that deal. They love Fultz and Franz and see them as core pieces. The lottery picks will likely be their last for a while. They have a solid team.

I doubt they break it up for a super star PG with mental issues, a bust and the 25th pick. I wouldn't do that. I spend a lot of time in Orlando and they believe Paulo is a budding star, Franz, Fultz, Carter and Anthony as excellent complimentary pieces and Bol Bol is an interesting project. In a sense they are Memphis from three years ago with better draft picks. 

Id be willing to take Franz + Gary Harris and exchange CHI pick with our 25th.  

[Dwash 0]

10 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

I sincerely doubt Orlando would do that deal. They love Fultz and Franz and see them as core pieces. The lottery picks will likely be their last for a while. They have a solid team.

I doubt they break it up for a super star PG with mental issues, a bust and the 25th pick. I wouldn't do that. I spend a lot of time in Orlando and they believe Paulo is a budding star, Franz, Fultz, Carter and Anthony as excellent complimentary pieces and Bol Bol is an interesting project. In a sense they are Memphis from three years ago with better draft picks. 

Yeah.  In addition to the mental issues I kinda fear other teams might not be in love with his game like we think, his defense issues, high risk style, longevity concerns, lack of a jumpshot as a small guard.  Its not like we are trading a normal easy to plug in superstar like a young KD.

Instead of hoping for some huge package maybe the best option is the best player we can get.  That would be Brandon Ingram for me possibly if NO is interested.

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

1 minute ago, Dwash said:

Yeah.  In addition to the mental issues I kinda fear other teams might not be in love with his game like we think, his defense issues, high risk style, longevity concerns, lack of a jumpshot as a small guard.  Its not like we are trading a normal easy to plug in superstar like a young KD.

Instead of hoping for some huge package maybe the best option is the best player we can get.  That would be Brandon Ingram for me possibly if NO is interested.

NOP would try to give us CJ not Ingram.  TOR may give us something for him and honestly he needs to go to a country with stricter gun laws.  Rumor is Masai may be bouncing so a new GM could likely take that gamble.  

I was already mad at him from the Lakers series when he repeatedly tried to dunk on AD and Lebron with a bum hand.   It was the most selfish thing i have ever seen him do on a court before.  Those dunks had no chance of connecting so they were pure HIGHLIGHT film "for the Gram"  attempts.  To attempt those during a high stakes game when you already injured and there were better shots available showed a massive lack of self-awareness and selfishness on his part.  I was like this mane aint learned nothing. 

Young man just isnt built for the spotlight.  Dude could be an All-time great if he makes the right improvements; but i have a hard time seeing him work on it in his current mental state.  I have an even harder time seeing him make the changes while in Memphis (there are still too many Memphians making excuses for his boneheaded behavior).   Really can't see our marshmallow org and coaching staff being able to be stern enough with him either.  There is a reason why they draft choirboys. They aint built to handle the rough around the edges guys (IE Dillon/JA). 

 

[srmjr23 0]

GI don't believe we will trade Ja. I believe he'll be suspended for probably 30 something games and we just run it back after his suspension is over. I just don't see the FO trading him, at least right now, and if he does get traded, it won't be till the deadline. 

Part of the problem is we can't make trades for packages that set us back in our trajectory as a team. So that limits us to packages of great players, as opposed to lottery pick centered trade deals.

That's why I believe they'll take the, let's let this all blow over approach, and hope he gets his **** together during a long suspension 

[hopemsu 0]

the primary reason that we need to trade him has nothing to with the fact that he's a moron.    Guy is 23 years old and already misses 1/4 of the season every year.  As he gets to his late 20s this will only get worst, and he doesnt have much of a game at all once he is no longer able to get to the rim. 

[TimBC 0]

1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

I doubt they break it up for a super star PG with mental issues 

Speaking of Ben Simmons ... 

[Grizzliesfan777 0]

19 minutes ago, hopemsu said:

the primary reason that we need to trade him has nothing to with the fact that he's a moron.    Guy is 23 years old and already misses 1/4 of the season every year.  As he gets to his late 20s this will only get worst, and he doesnt have much of a game at all once he is no longer able to get to the rim. 

This is why everyone has been wanting him to develop a shot and up his IQ and rely less on raw athleticism. That way he ages like a Duncan/KG (pre Brooklyn) who were effective well into their 2nd decade of basketball as opposed to Blake Griffin who was washed up by 30.

[srmjr23 0]

The only way the FO trades Ja is if they get a great return, something they won't get right now,  which is why you won't see a trade done anytime soon. Also, as far as thr Orlando trade, getting Wagner and a couple lotto picks is simply not enough of a return. I love Wagner, for what its worth. I think he's great and he's who I wanted in that draft - but it's just not enough. The kind of return we'd need is closer to the Bridges/Johnson packages. Last thing...suggesting the Wolves trade Anthon Edwards is just kind of mind blowing. 

[Ndq0327 0]

9 minutes ago, srmjr23 said:

The only way the FO trades Ja is if they get a great return, something they won't get right now,  which is why you won't see a trade done anytime soon. Also, as far as thr Orlando trade, getting Wagner and a couple lotto picks is simply not enough of a return. I love Wagner, for what its worth. I think he's great and he's who I wanted in that draft - but it's just not enough. The kind of return we'd need is closer to the Bridges/Johnson packages. Last thing...suggesting the Wolves trade Anthon Edwards is just kind of mind blowing. 

If you get Wagner and both Orlando’s lotto picks I think that is pretty close to a Bridges Johnson deal. If 23yr old superstar Ja can’t net you Wagner salary filler and 2 lotto picks then I’m not sure if there is gonna be a return better than that. 
 

a 23yr old superstar should be able to get you whatever you want in a trade unless it’s a younger possible superstar.

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

another hypothetical deal that could be realistic

NETS get: Ja Morant, John Konchar

HAWKS get: Tyus Jones, Royce ONeal

Grizz get: Dejounte Murray, Dinwiddie, AJ Griffin and picks. 

Hawks can't afford to resign Dejounte they are looking to release him because he isn't a great pairing with Tre and is up for extension next season;  Nets are looking for a disgruntled Star to add to Bridges/Cam/Claxton core.  Have a hard time seeing them trading Bridges, period.  

DeJounte is a potential all defensive PG that can score and playmake.  Adding him as a POA defender with Jaren protecting backline will keep us a top flight defensive squad.    Much easier to build around a Dejounte Bane backcourt.   Dinwiddie is a scoring combo that can hold down Tyus spot for a season or be redirected in another trade.  AJ Griffin is a good SF prospect that projects to be a great shooter and solid defender. 

 

*Cam Johnson would have to be a S&T which is why he can't be included in Ja deal.   Maybe we can do a sep deal with them for him.