A stat for the Konchar haters

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3 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Saying he should stay the 3rd wing IS major playing time.   Lamenting that he impacts winning  sounds like you are advocating he deserves major playing time.  

Some of us think 10th man minutes would be better utilized by developing one of the 5 rookies we obtained in offseason.  Over watching Jitty get cardio on offense.   Yes Roddy and ZW are worse players than the 4yr vet.   But Roddy was starting to show real improvement before Ziaire came back and took his minutes.    At least one of the rookies getting playing time with main squad would help FO determine future needs.   

Then let Jitty back up Bane, Roddy back up Dillon.  No way Roddy's a SG.

edit:  Of course we now have Kennard too.  Just base it on matchups and needs.

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Just now, IdrinkGuinness said:

Tilman , he was traded for peanuts so whoever want wanted plus two 2nds really .

Right now i value Tillman over Muscala.  That dude is offense only.  However looking a Muscala career -It really is aggravating that Tillman doesn't work on his 3pt shot.   They are both undersized Bigs but Mike figured out his pathway to longevity is shooting 3s.   I just don't see Tlllman getting another contract unless he adds that skill. 

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1 minute ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Right now i value Tillman over Muscala.  That dude is offense only.  However looking a Muscala career -It really is aggravating that Tillman doesn't work on his 3pt shot.   They are both undersized Bigs but Mike figured out his pathway to longevity is shooting 3s.   I just don't see Tlllman getting another contract unless he adds that skill. 

It's a special talent.  Everyone doesn't have it.  BC ain't got it either.  It would be helpful if X could add it though.

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2 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Right now i value Tillman over Muscala.  That dude is offense only.  However looking a Muscala career -It really is aggravating that Tillman doesn't work on his 3pt shot.   They are both undersized Bigs but Mike figured out his pathway to longevity is shooting 3s.   I just don't see Tlllman getting another contract unless he adds that skill. 

i like muscala on the roster more than tilman once Adams gets back .

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2 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Then let Jitty back up Bane, Roddy back up Dillon.  No way Roddy's a SG.

edit:  Of course we now have Kennard too.  Just base it on matchups and needs.

Wow that is literally what i have been advocating for and you arguing against. 

Ja/Tyus

Bane/Kennard

Dillon/Roddy

Jaren/Santi

X or Adams/Clarke

That is your 10 man rotation.    Kennard is better SG over Jitty and Roddy better SF prospect over Jitty.  This automatically pushes him out of rotation..   Glad you agree with me.  

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1 minute ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Wow that is literally what i have been advocating for and you arguing against. 

Ja/Tyus

Bane/Kennard

Dillon/Roddy

Jaren/Santi

X or Adams/Clarke

That is your 10 man rotation.    Kennard is better SG over Jitty and Roddy better SF prospect over Jitty.  This automatically pushes him out of rotation..   Glad you agree with me.  

I'm not certain if Roddy can defend SFs better than Konch.

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1 minute ago, smit-tay griz said:

It's a special talent.  Everyone doesn't have it.  BC ain't got it either.  It would be helpful if X could add it though.

Tillmans shot isnt broken and he has shown ability to hit 3s.   He just doesn't take them.   Its a confidence issue because you know Taylor wouldn't discourage him from shooting.  When you are undersized  you need to be elite at something in order to justify minutes.    Shooting is probably the easiest skill to improve upon for an NBA player. 

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1 minute ago, smit-tay griz said:

I'm not certain if Roddy can defend SFs better than Konch.

I'm also pretty certain that Kennard can't guard SG's as well as Jitty, which is why I say sub by what is needed.  Of course TJ doesn't usually work that way.

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1 minute ago, smit-tay griz said:

I'm not certain if Roddy can defend SFs better than Konch.

Here you go again.  The idea is for Roddy to continue to development. We already know he isn't as good on defense as Konchar.  

 He was improving before he got removed from rotation.  Roddy has the size and enough athleticism to become a solid defender its just reps and understanding scheme at this point.  Which can only be improved upon by playing with main guys.   Early on TJ was clearly using Roddy as backup defensive stopper behind Dillon.    FO needs to know he can handle that because there is no guarantee Dillon will be back next season. 

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4 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Tillmans shot isnt broken and he has shown ability to hit 3s.   He just doesn't take them.   Its a confidence issue because you know Taylor wouldn't discourage him from shooting.  When you are undersized  you need to be elite at something in order to justify minutes.    Shooting is probably the easiest skill to improve upon for an NBA player. 

it really looked like he could have a3pt shot one day when he came out . i thought he would be much more developed by now .

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3 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Tillmans shot isnt broken and he has shown ability to hit 3s.   He just doesn't take them.   Its a confidence issue because you know Taylor wouldn't discourage him from shooting.  When you are undersized  you need to be elite at something in order to justify minutes.    Shooting is probably the easiest skill to improve upon for an NBA player. 

I keep hearing that, but I'm not certain how much real evidence there is to support it.  I'm sure it's only to a certain point before it just doesn't get any better.

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1 minute ago, IdrinkGuinness said:

it really looked like he could have a3pt shot one day when he came out . i thought he would be much more developed by now .

Yes it did.  If i recall correctly he shot it more in his earlier years than he does now.   Its a shame. 

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2 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Here you go again.  The idea is for Roddy to continue to development. We already know he isn't as good on defense as Konchar.  

 He was improving before he got removed from rotation.  Roddy has the size and enough athleticism to become a solid defender its just reps and understanding scheme at this point.  Which can only be improved upon by playing with main guys.   Early on TJ was clearly using Roddy as backup defensive stopper behind Dillon.    FO needs to know he can handle that because there is no guarantee Dillon will be back next season. 

Wrong.  The idea is to win basketball games.  For the occasions that they are not mutually exclusive, fine.  Go ahead.

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Just now, smit-tay griz said:

I keep hearing that, but I'm not certain how much real evidence there is to support it.  I'm sure it's only to a certain point before it just doesn't get any better.

I think it depends on how serious the player is about it.   We have numerous examples of guys becoming lethal shooters later in their careers.   Especially the guys whose mechanics are not broken. Yuta and Santi come to mind.    Jason Kidd is a classic example.  Conley wasn't good from deep either his first few years.   They all put in the work.   

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1 minute ago, smit-tay griz said:

Wrong.  The idea is to win basketball games.  For the occasions that they are not mutually exclusive, fine.  Go ahead.

Then why was Ziaire getting all that Playing Time last season.   He clearly wasn't helping us win at any point in regular season.  You would be happier with Dave Joerger, Nick Nurse or Thibs coaching style if you cared only about winning over any development. 

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3 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I think it depends on how serious the player is about it.   We have numerous examples of guys becoming lethal shooters later in their careers.   Especially the guys whose mechanics are not broken. Yuta and Santi come to mind.    Jason Kidd is a classic example.  Conley wasn't good from deep either his first few years.   They all put in the work.   

Conley shot 33% his rookie season when he missed nearly 30 games due to injury.  His second season he shot 40%.  He's 38% for his career and has never shot below 36% except for the aforementioned season and the '17-'18 season when he only played 12 games due to injury, so I don't think he's a good example.  I think Yuta, Santi, and Conley are all players who already had decent shooting skills, but just had to adjust to the NBA game.  Kidd may be a better example as his numbers were inconsistent year-to-year earlier in his career.

I'm all for X doing it if he can though.

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21 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Then why was Ziaire getting all that Playing Time last season.   He clearly wasn't helping us win at any point in regular season.  You would be happier with Dave Joerger, Nick Nurse or Thibs coaching style if you cared only about winning over any development. 

At the beginning of last season I was asking the same thing as he clearly was not ready and I thought he should've been developing in the G-League.  Later when he came back from "injury" he was not nearly so bad, and we were still winning.

Thibs and Nurse overwork their players by all accounts.  Joerger didn't seem to have any faith at all in rookies or young players, but in his defense we didn't have any decent prospects during that timeframe either.  I think the best idea is somewhere in between them and a rebuilding coach handing out minutes strictly for developing players.  We aren't rebuilding.

[Mr. Grizzle 0]

I think one of the main reasons we moved off Melton was to find out if what we had behind him, mainly Jitty and Ziaire, would be good enough. I think we need more info on Ziaire, but I'm glad he's working on his game in Southaven, maybe he can get back some of the confidence he had late last year. With Jitty, I think it's pretty clear that he can be a great 11/12th guy on a playoff team, but that's about his ceiling, AND THAT'S FINE. It's not like Jitty has lacked for opportunity...

But I wanna find out about David Roddy. This is not a guy who lacks for confidence. And his size is a weapon for us, especially with Adams out...

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On 2/15/2023 at 12:13 PM, smit-tay griz said:

Conley shot 33% his rookie season when he missed nearly 30 games due to injury.  His second season he shot 40%.  He's 38% for his career and has never shot below 36% except for the aforementioned season and the '17-'18 season when he only played 12 games due to injury, so I don't think he's a good example.  I think Yuta, Santi, and Conley are all players who already had decent shooting skills, but just had to adjust to the NBA game.  Kidd may be a better example as his numbers were inconsistent year-to-year earlier in his career.

I'm all for X doing it if he can though.

A better example is Anfernee Simons. First two seasons shot .345 and .332. Then exploded with .426 and .405 the next two. But that jump usually occurs within the first few seasons, especially for younger players. At this point, I don’t expect Tillman to take a leap. If Ziaire is going to take that leap, it needs to be next season. 

On 2/15/2023 at 11:40 AM, GrizzTigerFan said:

Right now i value Tillman over Muscala.  That dude is offense only.  However looking a Muscala career -It really is aggravating that Tillman doesn't work on his 3pt shot.   They are both undersized Bigs but Mike figured out his pathway to longevity is shooting 3s.   I just don't see Tlllman getting another contract unless he adds that skill. 

Muscala isn’t undersized, he’s the same size as Jaren. He’s just not very strong or aggressive, and doesn’t have much of an inside game. There’s talks of Boston going after Love, would they drop Muscala if they sign him?

[bhoyal 0]

What are the most rebounds Kennard has ever had in a game?

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6 hours ago, bhoyal said:

What are the most rebounds Kennard has ever had in a game?

10, multiple times

[russian grizzly 0]

Konchar haters should grab hands of Brooks haters and make love to each other. 

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On 2/26/2023 at 6:21 AM, russian grizzly said:

Konchar haters should grab hands of Brooks haters and make love to each other.