Welcome aboard Luke Kennard

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I really am psyched for the next game.  I wish it started in 5 minutes from now.

Danny is a good guy but added pretty much nothing.  This is a real addition!!

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Ja-Bane-Kennard-BC-JJJ lineup would be buckets

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Im really ok with this. I think we get more from him than Danny Green 

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Guys i see getting the majority of minutes in POs based on last year. 

1. Ja
2. Bane
3. Jaren
4. Dillon
5. Brandon
6. Kennard
7. Adams
8. Tyus
9. Santi

i fully expect Ja Jaren Dillon and Bane to avg over 36mpg.  It should be just a 3 man wing rotation.    Bigs are more complicated due to Adams and BC needing a floor spacer next to them.  So it'll prob stay a 4 big rotation unless Taylor decides to yank Adams again.   PG will just be Ja and Tyus.  Now that Kennard here there should be NO reason to see ja+Tyus lineups in POs.   I predict Adams Tyus and Santi will avg less than 20mpg.   Brandon and Luke closer to 30mpg. 

I bet Santi and Tyus plays more than that. They need Ja fresh and Jaren will always get in some foul trouble.

I agree on no more Tyus/Ja backcourt.

I want to see some of:

Ja/Bane/Kennard/Santi/Jaren.

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40 minutes ago, TT_Grizz said:

Ja-Bane-Kennard-BC-JJJ lineup would be buckets

That one should be good too

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1 hour ago, bhoyal said:

Kennard at age 26 is pretty much at his peak.  Danny didn't look so hot at his current age.  Was running stiff as a board. Great guy though.

45.5% from three in the playoffs for Luke..even higher than his regular season average which is already impressive.  His worst season in the NBA from three was close to 40% and his best was almost 45% twice.

I like the Danny trade but three 2nd round picks?  They must really like this guy.  Here's hoping!!

Seems that 2nd was in the premier value of this deadline. They probably just matched the price.

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Spotrac.com says that we have to decide on Kennards 2024-25 team option for 14.7 million this Summer, by 6/29/23.

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Do you trust Jenkins to handle giving them spot minutes properly in the POs?   I dont.      Rest of the season Jitty needs to be on bench cheering his teammates on.    Luke needs as much run to gain chemistry with the guys.   While Roddy needs run to work on his defense.   Konchar is who he is - nothing more to see there. 

Basketball is not one-on-one.  It's a TEAM sport.  The reason Jenkins plays Konchar is because of how he FITS with the team.  Go check the lineups.  The only negative five-man lineup that Jitty is in includes Roddy.  Why in the heck do you think Jitty's OFFENSIVE  rating is almost twenty points higher than Roddy's, or Ziaire's?  It isn't because he's scoring the points himself.  Lord knows we're all well aware that John is not a scorer.  It's because he knows his role, he knows where to be on the court within the offensive and defensive schemes.  He knows how to move the ball within the offense so that the right guy can score.  On defense he knows his role as well, and before the concussion protocol was leading the team in steals, along with being an outstanding rebounder for a guard.  Nobody will go to the floor like Jitty for a loose ball except Adams, and I remember he was first in the league at it at one point last season according to NBA stats (haven't checked this season).  Konchar is statistically better at everything than Roddy or Ziaire except aggressive shot chucking.  Don't believe me.  Go check for yourself.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/2023/lineups/

I know it's hard to wrap you head around the fact that a player can actually be good without actually being the guy with the glory statistics, but that's just a fact of team sports.  I don't give a crap how many points a particular player scores as long as the team wins.  I can concede that in some situations it may be more advantageous to have a scorer on the floor rather than Konch, but generally pinning him to the pine is moronically stupid unless you have a guy who can make the TEAM better than Jitty does, and Roddy and Ziaire ain't it and so far the statistics prove it.

I will say that I'm glad we picked up Kennard like you suggested, and I hope he gives us a big lift.  I'm not going to be upset if Kennard cuts into Konchar's minutes at this point as he is a proven shooter, but what kind of volume he shoots and how passable his defense will be remains to be seen.  I will keep an open mind.

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18 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Basketball is not one-on-one.  It's a TEAM sport.  The reason Jenkins plays Konchar is because of how he FITS with the team.  Go check the lineups.  The only negative five-man lineup that Jitty is in includes Roddy.  Why in the heck do you think Jitty's OFFENSIVE  rating is almost twenty points higher than Roddy's, or Ziaire's?  It isn't because he's scoring the points himself.  Lord knows we're all well aware that John is not a scorer.  It's because he knows his role, he knows where to be on the court within the offensive and defensive schemes.  He knows how to move the ball within the offense so that the right guy can score.  On defense he knows his role as well, and before the concussion protocol was leading the team in steals, along with being an outstanding rebounder for a guard.  Nobody will go to the floor like Jitty for a loose ball except Adams, and I remember he was first in the league at it at one point last season according to NBA stats (haven't checked this season).  Konchar is statistically better at everything than Roddy or Ziaire except aggressive shot chucking.  Don't believe me.  Go check for yourself.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/2023/lineups/

I know it's hard to wrap you head around the fact that a player can actually be good without actually being the guy with the glory statistics, but that's just a fact of team sports.  I don't give a crap how many points a particular player scores as long as the team wins.  I can concede that in some situations it may be more advantageous to have a scorer on the floor rather than Konch, but generally pinning him to the pine is moronically stupid unless you have a guy who can make the TEAM better than Jitty does, and Roddy and Ziaire ain't it and so far the statistics prove it.

I will say that I'm glad we picked up Kennard like you suggested, and I hope he gives us a big lift.  I'm not going to be upset if Kennard cuts into Konchar's minutes at this point as he is a proven shooter, but what kind of volume he shoots and how passable his defense will be remains to be seen.  I will keep an open mind.

its also the regular season so giving these guys some run so far isnt that big of a deal imho . its very annoying but whatever.

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Bane and Kennard on floor at same time - man!  Ja is going to have even more space.

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1 minute ago, IdrinkGuinness said:

its also the regular season so giving these guys some run so far isnt that big of a deal imho . its very annoying but whatever.

I can agree with that.  I'm not saying don't develop Roddy, Ziaire, Jake, Vince or Kennedy.  We should get them some quality minutes, otherwise you totally wasted your draft picks.  Some of them may prove to be better than Konchar in the end, but if we're trying to win now pinning Konchar to the pine in favor of a player who may or may not become better but currently is not is like shooting yourself in the foot.

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2 minutes ago, pjs said:

Bane and Kennard on floor at same time - man!  Ja is going to have even more space.

Let's hope so.

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welcome my man. let ‘go. 
 

slim. 

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Definitely an upgrade over Danny Green. Legit only consistent threat from 3 point land this year has been Bane, so nice that the bench unit will have a threat too. 

Kleiman loves them Duke alumni

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So we swap a bench gunner for a bench gunner and give them 3 picks, 2 of which they flipped for Bones, who is a better player than either of them.

Meanwhile, Wiseman is traded for essentially 5 second rounders.

This was a hugely disappointing trade deadline for us. 

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@GrizzTigerFan Would you agree that Kennard is the player to replace Jitty on the roster?

 

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For what we gave up it'll do. Obviously not what any of us were hoping for but I think he'll be a solid addition to that bench;

Morant/Jones/Chandler

Bane/Kennard/Konchar

Brooks/Roddy/ZW

JJJ/Clarke/LaRavia

Adams/Aldama/Tillman

As good as it's gonna get this year unless maybe a buyout big comes along. Lets roll.

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1 hour ago, smit-tay griz said:

Basketball is not one-on-one.  It's a TEAM sport.  The reason Jenkins plays Konchar is because of how he FITS with the team.  Go check the lineups.  The only negative five-man lineup that Jitty is in includes Roddy.  Why in the heck do you think Jitty's OFFENSIVE  rating is almost twenty points higher than Roddy's, or Ziaire's?  It isn't because he's scoring the points himself.  Lord knows we're all well aware that John is not a scorer.  It's because he knows his role, he knows where to be on the court within the offensive and defensive schemes.  He knows how to move the ball within the offense so that the right guy can score.  On defense he knows his role as well, and before the concussion protocol was leading the team in steals, along with being an outstanding rebounder for a guard.  Nobody will go to the floor like Jitty for a loose ball except Adams, and I remember he was first in the league at it at one point last season according to NBA stats (haven't checked this season).  Konchar is statistically better at everything than Roddy or Ziaire except aggressive shot chucking.  Don't believe me.  Go check for yourself.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/2023/lineups/

I know it's hard to wrap you head around the fact that a player can actually be good without actually being the guy with the glory statistics, but that's just a fact of team sports.  I don't give a crap how many points a particular player scores as long as the team wins.  I can concede that in some situations it may be more advantageous to have a scorer on the floor rather than Konch, but generally pinning him to the pine is moronically stupid unless you have a guy who can make the TEAM better than Jitty does, and Roddy and Ziaire ain't it and so far the statistics prove it.

I will say that I'm glad we picked up Kennard like you suggested, and I hope he gives us a big lift.  I'm not going to be upset if Kennard cuts into Konchar's minutes at this point as he is a proven shooter, but what kind of volume he shoots and how passable his defense will be remains to be seen.  I will keep an open mind.

I know its tough to wrap your head around the fact that Konchar is end of rotation wing, period....  

I'll hit it from another angle.  We have 5 FIVE young players on rookie deals that all need development time.  The Hustle is fine but we all know as NBA fans that nothing can really replicate  NBA game pressure.   A proven strategy for development is having whoever play real minutes with the main squad.    As we saw last season with Ziaire - it is possible to be a winning squad and develop one young player simultaneously.   We only had 2 rookies last season - we have 3 now (5 with 2ways).   How do you propose we develop all of them?

Also you seem to have forgotten that Konchar got plenty of development minutes with main squad too.  When there were better options (vet solomon hill).  If FO had your mindset we would never develop young guys we would stick with low ceiling end of rotation vets. 

No Roddy isn't "better" that Jitty today but Ziaire wasnt better than ANY of the wings he was starting in front of last year.   They need to develop some of our wings so which player do you think minutes should be reduced in order to do that?   Bane? Dillon? Santi? Brandon? Tyus?  who????????????

Roddy makes the most sense.  Because he is already in rotation and  has adjusted to speed of NBA game and is Big and Physical.   If Dillon in foul trouble you wanna throw Jitty on KD? Lebron? Kawhi? Paul George??    

Its crazy that you'd rather keep going with the 26yr old  end of rotation "Glue guy" over seeing what we have in the players we drafted.   That is flat out crazy. 

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38 minutes ago, Ja_Rules said:

@GrizzTigerFan Would you agree that Kennard is the player to replace Jitty on the roster?

 

100%  As team currently constructed he is the 3rd wing.  Which was Danny Green's spot in his final games.  Roddy needs to replace Jitty.  Kennard and Jitty are guards Roddy is a SF so easy fit. 

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Defensively this is going to be an issue however we need that 3 point shooting badly.

Danny Green is done and needs to retired.

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If Luke Kennard plays wing with Jaren on the floor, Jaren will foul out in record time. Kennard isnt keeping anyone out of the lane 

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27 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I know its tough to wrap your head around the fact that Konchar is end of rotation wing, period....  who has proven to be better than the others.

I'll hit it from another angle.  We have 5 FIVE young players on rookie deals that all need development time.  The Hustle is fine but we all know as NBA fans that nothing can really replicate  NBA game pressure.   A proven strategy for development is having whoever play real minutes with the main squad.    As we saw last season with Ziaire - it is possible to be a winning squad and develop one young player simultaneously.   We only had 2 rookies last season - we have 3 now (5 with 2ways).   How do you propose we develop all of them? - so the answer is to punish the guy who helps team success by sitting him in favor of someone who helps less?

Also you seem to have forgotten that Konchar got plenty of development minutes with main squad too.  When there were better options (vet solomon hill).  If FO had your mindset we would never develop young guys we would stick with low ceiling end of rotation vets.  - No, I think you give the majority of minutes to the player on the team who is contributing to success the most.

No Roddy isn't "better" that Jitty today but Ziaire wasnt better than ANY of the wings he was starting in front of last year.   They need to develop some of our wings so which player do you think minutes should be reduced in order to do that?   Bane? Dillon? Santi? Brandon? Tyus?  who????????????  -- No, I do not object to giving minutes to players  for development if used prudently.  You are suggesting benching a more productive player (from a team perspective) for players who do not make the team better when there is a whole league devoted to development.

Roddy makes the most sense.  Because he is already in rotation and  has adjusted to speed of NBA game and is Big and Physical.   If Dillon in foul trouble you wanna throw Jitty on KD? Lebron? Kawhi? Paul George??    - situational decisions I can live with.  Maybe size, or some other factor is in play, or the situation requires an aggressive scorer.   That is fine.

Its crazy that you'd rather keep going with the 26yr old  end of rotation "Glue guy" over seeing what we have in the players we drafted.   That is flat out crazy.   -It isn't crazy if it increases our chances of winning, and that's the most important thing.

 

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2 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

 

 

3 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

No, I think you give the majority of minutes to the player on the team who is contributing to success the most.

 

3 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

No, I do not object to giving minutes to players  for development if used prudently.  You are suggesting benching a more productive player (from a team perspective) for players who do not make the team better when there is a whole league devoted to development.

 

3 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

-It isn't crazy if it increases our chances of winning, and that's the most important thing.

I want you to reread these sentences you wrote.   Smit you are arguing about KONCHAR??  the dude getting paid 2m!?!?!  You are defending him like he is JA or Bane or JAREN or even DILLON.     If we need to develop one of the young guys with the Big squad (which is what TJ has done since he took the job).   Why on earth would we not remove Konchar, who is least paid guy in main rotation to do it??  The dude that rarely even takes shot attempts?!?!  Konchars 15mins are not integral to the team winning.    Do you really think we are 2nd seed in the West because of Jitty's minutes???? Really think about what you are arguing about.   Take a breath, step away from computer, step aside and yell at some young punks about walking thru your yard.  Then come back and reread. 

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BTW it was pretty easy to predict that FO was gonna make a move for Kennard. 

• Kleinman first Free Agent signing (Duke) Tyus Jones
• Kleinman first major trade (Duke) Grayson Allen, Jae crowder
• Kleinman second major trade (Duke) Justise Winslow
• Kleinman resigned (Duke) Tyus Jones 

So either he was gonna trade for Luke Kennard or Cam Reddish.  I think we made the right decision.