Ziaire Williams??

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19 hours ago, f-dizzle said:

Maybe the knee and leg issues really set him back, or maybe we don’t cater to his strengths. Last year he posted up some and shot from mid-range. Don’t see that this year. 

Posting up and mid-range shots are two different beasts. Mid-range shots are considered some of the most inefficient shots to take in an NBA game. Posting up smaller and weaker players is considered a desirable shot. I am happy he isn't taking mid-range shots but a little disturbed his post up game is gone although I don't really remember him posting up many players last season. Dunking definitely but not posting players up but that could be my faulty memory. 

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

Posting up and mid-range shots are two different beasts. Mid-range shots are considered some of the most inefficient shots to take in an NBA game. Posting up smaller and weaker players is considered a desirable shot. I am happy he isn't taking mid-range shots but a little disturbed his post up game is gone although I don't really remember him posting up many players last season. Dunking definitely but not posting players up but that could be my faulty memory. 

Yeah.  There are only a few guys in the NBA where the mid-range jumper is a desirable shot (Durant, DeRozan, Jokic, Kyrie, Luka, Ingram, Booker, Chris Paul).  ZW is not one of those guys.

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8 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Posting up and mid-range shots are two different beasts. Mid-range shots are considered some of the most inefficient shots to take in an NBA game. Posting up smaller and weaker players is considered a desirable shot. I am happy he isn't taking mid-range shots but a little disturbed his post up game is gone although I don't really remember him posting up many players last season. Dunking definitely but not posting players up but that could be my faulty memory. 

Same here.  I don't ever remember seeing it.

As for mid-range shots, I will disagree somewhat.  I think it depends on how adept you are at it.  I have no problem with Bane pulling up for a mid-range after he gets run off the 3-pt line.  I didn't have any problem with Courtney Lee doing it, or Beno Udrih either when they were here because they were good at it.  It's better than everyone hoisting threes when they don't make 'em.  Besides, having other methods of scoring can't be bad.  Just saying, if someone is good at it, I'm okay.  This new style that only places value on threes and layups is limiting.

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Count me in the crowd that doesn't recall him posting up.

That's not a knock on him though... post game takes stregnth, skill, repetition and an understanding of your opponent's tendencies. He's a skinny , lanky, young guy that is coming off of an injury in year two... and he's still growing.

Kobe didn't start out posting up... but he ended up being extremely good at it. 

Not comparing Zaire to Kobe here - you know what I'm trying to say

 

I am ok with him just hitting corner threes, and flashing to the hoop on offense and playing monster with his legnth in the passing lanes on d. 

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16 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Posting up and mid-range shots are two different beasts. Mid-range shots are considered some of the most inefficient shots to take in an NBA game. Posting up smaller and weaker players is considered a desirable shot. I am happy he isn't taking mid-range shots but a little disturbed his post up game is gone although I don't really remember him posting up many players last season. Dunking definitely but not posting players up but that could be my faulty memory. 

 

7 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

Same here.  I don't ever remember seeing it.

As for mid-range shots, I will disagree somewhat.  I think it depends on how adept you are at it.  I have no problem with Bane pulling up for a mid-range after he gets run off the 3-pt line.  I didn't have any problem with Courtney Lee doing it, or Beno Udrih either when they were here because they were good at it.  It's better than everyone hoisting threes when they don't make 'em.  Besides, having other methods of scoring can't be bad.  Just saying, if someone is good at it, I'm okay.  This new style that only places value on threes and layups is limiting.

I think every team needs a guy who can score from the Mid range. Basically every superstar in the league has a mid range game because teams try to take away the rim and the 3pt line. His inconsistency overall as a jump shooter is concerning though. He got the majority of his points off cuts last season, but if no one has to honor his jump shot those opportunities dry up quickly. 

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1 hour ago, King Dork said:

 

I think every team needs a guy who can score from the Mid range. Basically every superstar in the league has a mid range game because teams try to take away the rim and the 3pt line. His inconsistency overall as a jump shooter is concerning though. He got the majority of his points off cuts last season, but if no one has to honor his jump shot those opportunities dry up quickly. 

For the Grizzlies that guy's name needs to be Ja Morant or Desmond Bane.

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1 hour ago, King Dork said:

 

I think every team needs a guy who can score from the Mid range. Basically every superstar in the league has a mid range game because teams try to take away the rim and the 3pt line. His inconsistency overall as a jump shooter is concerning though. He got the majority of his points off cuts last season, but if no one has to honor his jump shot those opportunities dry up quickly. 

I just have to ask this. Do you see Ziaire as the Grizzlies superstar? 

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4 hours ago, King Dork said:

 

I think every team needs a guy who can score from the Mid range. Basically every superstar in the league has a mid range game because teams try to take away the rim and the 3pt line. His inconsistency overall as a jump shooter is concerning though. He got the majority of his points off cuts last season, but if no one has to honor his jump shot those opportunities dry up quickly. 

Yep.

I'm okay with Ziaire working his midrange game...     ...with the Hustle.  After he demonstrates consistency in the G-League, maybe let him try it with the big boys.  He needs to improve his defense most importantly.  His growth spurt may have hindered any ability to move his feet effectively to stay in front of guards and quick wings, but I guess we'll see as he adjusts.  He may end up as a PF because of it, but if so he better learn to rebound.

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9 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Yep.

I'm okay with Ziaire working his midrange game...     ...with the Hustle.  After he demonstrates consistency in the G-League, maybe let him try it with the big boys.  He needs to improve his defense most importantly.  His growth spurt may have hindered any ability to move his feet effectively to stay in front of guards and quick wings, but I guess we'll see as he adjusts.  He may end up as a PF because of it, but if so he better learn to rebound.

hmmmm never thought of that being possible hinderance to his defense but it could be.    I'll have to catch a couple more Hustle games to see for sure.   They play today at noon. 

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1 minute ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

hmmmm never thought of that being possible hinderance to his defense but it could be.    I'll have to catch a couple more Hustle games to see for sure.   They play today at noon. 

I don't think his lateral movement looks as good, but I could be wrong.  I haven't seen as much of him this season.

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No hirs from three. Struggling from the perimeter. 

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15 minutes ago, Memphis Maverick said:

No hirs from three. Struggling from the perimeter. 

He shot 6-16 and 0-7 from 3. I can't think of a 2nd year player who has struggled in the g league and then went on to be a productive nba player. 

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17 minutes ago, Allen said:

He shot 6-16 and 0-7 from 3. I can't think of a 2nd year player who has struggled in the g league and then went on to be a productive nba player. 

it can be WORST  aleast his name is not ZION WILLIAMS

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19 hours ago, lions said:

it can be WORST  aleast his name is not ZION WILLIAMS

We are gonna end up attaching TWO future second round picks with ZW to move UP to draft Emoni Bates.

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19 hours ago, Allen said:

He shot 6-16 and 0-7 from 3. I can't think of a 2nd year player who has struggled in the g league and then went on to be a productive nba player. 

So, YMCA Emoni Bates and ELEVENTY future second round picks isn't gonna get us Mikal Bridges?

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On 2/14/2023 at 3:59 PM, kevofrommempho said:

Yeah.  There are only a few guys in the NBA where the mid-range jumper is a desirable shot (Durant, DeRozan, Jokic, Kyrie, Luka, Ingram, Booker, Chris Paul).  ZW is not one of those guys.

I remember for a time I thought ZW might be that guy to hit those

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4 hours ago, grizzgolf said:

I remember for a time I thought ZW might be that guy to hit those

Yeah on any team with established stars most of the role players pretty much have to shoot threes (other than lob catching bigs) these days.

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The longer ZW stays in Southaven is it more likely we try to trade him on draft night?

Guess we have him down there so he can work on stuff (that might help us in the playoffs).

Probably a big summer league coming up for him, and I DO think he will play in it (along with Roddy/LaRavia and those guys along with our '23 draft picks).  

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9 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

The longer ZW stays in Southaven is it more likely we try to trade him on draft night?

Guess we have him down there so he can work on stuff (that might help us in the playoffs).

Probably a big summer league coming up for him, and I DO think he will play in it (along with Roddy/LaRavia and those guys along with our '23 draft picks).  

He has no trade value. He is a bust. I have no idea what people are still discussing here. He cannot absorb any contact - which must have been noticed by the Grizzlies before his selection. 

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31 minutes ago, russian grizzly said:

He has no trade value. He is a bust. I have no idea what people are still discussing here. He cannot absorb any contact - which must have been noticed by the Grizzlies before his selection. 

He's still just 21 and it was known that he was a project when we drafted him so I'm not ready to give up on him yet. It's not looking good for him though 

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1 hour ago, Allen said:

He's still just 21 and it was known that he was a project when we drafted him so I'm not ready to give up on him yet. It's not looking good for him though 

It’s not about him being a raw young prospect. It’s about his inability to absorb any contact which makes him useless in any situation where body contact is involved which means that his role will likely be limited to staying in the corners and occasional lob cuts from there when he can escape body contact by using his quickness and athleticism. He still can become a rotation NBA guy, but a starting forward? No. Let’s admit it and move forward. 

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55 minutes ago, russian grizzly said:

It’s not about him being a raw young prospect. It’s about his inability to absorb any contact which makes him useless in any situation where body contact is involved which means that his role will likely be limited to staying in the corners and occasional lob cuts from there when he can escape body contact by using his quickness and athleticism. He still can become a rotation NBA guy, but a starting forward? No. Let’s admit it and move forward. 

Does anyone really still think ZW is the future SF? I would certainly hope not I don’t know if they will trade him but I can see him falling in the same boat as Kevin Knox and Cam Reddish where he’s on the team and has some talent but there are just better players always ahead of him.

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1 hour ago, Ndq0327 said:

Does anyone really still think ZW is the future SF? I would certainly hope not I don’t know if they will trade him but I can see him falling in the same boat as Kevin Knox and Cam Reddish where he’s on the team and has some talent but there are just better players always ahead of him.

I concur. We should have offered the Magic #10 and 2 1sts for Wagner (#7).

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3 hours ago, Ndq0327 said:

Does anyone really still think ZW is the future SF? I would certainly hope not I don’t know if they will trade him but I can see him falling in the same boat as Kevin Knox and Cam Reddish where he’s on the team and has some talent but there are just better players always ahead of him.

He's not nearly the player Cam Reddish is. And we could've traded a 2nd round pick for Reddish.

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42 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

He's not nearly the player Cam Reddish is. And we could've traded a 2nd round pick for Reddish.

29 other teams could do it. None did. Even Detroit. For reason.