D Brooks’ role

[memphis slim 0]

dbr shot 4-17 last night. granted, he played some great one on defense and I see great benefit in that. 
4-17. 17 attempts is more than bane last night and more than double what trip got in the air. it was obvious to anyone watching this was going to be a chuckster game from him from the tip. he had the duck head down, I’m taking over type mentality from the jump. 
I see major problems with this. anyone else? 

for some reason, I guess coach has rose colored glasses on and just can’t see it. I know this- we can’t afford that crap come playoff time. 

 

slim. 

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25 minutes ago, memphis slim said:

dbr shot 4-17 last night. granted, he played some great one on defense and I see great benefit in that. 
4-17. 17 attempts is more than bane last night and more than double what trip got in the air. it was obvious to anyone watching this was going to be a chuckster game from him from the tip. he had the duck head down, I’m taking over type mentality from the jump. 
I see major problems with this. anyone else? 

for some reason, I guess coach has rose colored glasses on and just can’t see it. I know this- we can’t afford that crap come playoff time. 

 

slim. 

100% agree.  In so many ways he's the heart of the team and so important.  But his general lack of self awareness is bewildering.   Only thing more bewildering is the fact that apparently neither Jenkins or his teammates will do anything to curb the behavior.   

[Allen 0]

Coach has to be willing to yank him when he becomes unhinged.  

As you stated he was obviously going for his from the start this game. I'm guessing because it's a National TV game in LA

 

[f-dizzle 0]

Ja was 9-29. But, he’s our superstar. Dillion is a role player that THINKS he’s a superstar. Everyone in my household was mad at Brooks the whole game. It was evident from the start it was about him. 

[Teddy.B 0]

The winning defensive play on Cleveland must have him hyped himself into believing he deserves as many shots as he wants. He has always wanted the glory that comes with offense. 

 

Dillion wants to be more than a defensive stopper. He wants to believe that he is a go-to guy on offense too. 

 

It's been a constant dark spot of his throughout his career. 

Dillion gonna Dillion. You live with it or move him. I doubt he will ever change. It's his stubbornness that makes him a defensive standout. 

[Ja_Rules 0]

1 hour ago, memphis slim said:

dbr shot 4-17 last night. granted, he played some great one on defense and I see great benefit in that. 
4-17. 17 attempts is more than bane last night and more than double what trip got in the air. it was obvious to anyone watching this was going to be a chuckster game from him from the tip. he had the duck head down, I’m taking over type mentality from the jump. 
I see major problems with this. anyone else? 

for some reason, I guess coach has rose colored glasses on and just can’t see it. I know this- we can’t afford that crap come playoff time. 

 

slim. 

I say make the OG move and humble him to the sixthman role. You would give him his shots, but coach can take him out of games if he starts to forcing it

[ACGrizz 0]

Don’t even think Jenkins has rose colored glasses tbh - Dillon has said in a couple interviews now that the coaching staff emphasizes shot selection with him. I think TJ just knows he has to strike the right balance with him and it’s taking the good with the bad while HOPING the bad goes away when it matters. 

[memphis slim 0]

5 minutes ago, ACGrizz said:

Don’t even think Jenkins has rose colored glasses tbh - Dillon has said in a couple interviews now that the coaching staff emphasizes shot selection with him. I think TJ just knows he has to strike the right balance with him and it’s taking the good with the bad while HOPING the bad goes away when it matters. 

this is pathetic if it’s the case. 
I would seriously consider the og move honestly or ps. brooks, green and some picks. I love brooks and his swagger but last night’s antics will cost us a series. clint said a man has to know his limitations. reel him in or make the move. I believe the reeling might be too far gone now. 
 

slim. 

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Just now, memphis slim said:

this is pathetic if it’s the case. 
I would seriously consider the og move honestly or ps. brooks, green and some picks. I love brooks and his swagger but last night’s antics will cost us a series. clint said a man has to know his limitations. reel him in or make the move. I believe the reeling might be too far gone now. 
 

slim. 

I think if you could guarantee no loss of chemistry, swapping out DB for OG would make us a stronger team - though I don’t know that it would actually make us better than this years version of the Nuggets. 

I just don’t think this front office operates that way. They’re not going to trade what it would take to get OG (likely Dillon plus our pick this year and maybe even a protected first or some other piece to match up contracts) and you’d also get a lot of ****** off fans who view Dillon as equal to OG. 

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

To be fair Dillon missed some wide open good shots only about 1/3rd of his shots were bad.   I put this L more on FT shooting and Ja then Dillon.     Ja was taking too many 3s early in shot clock and diving into 4 defenders.    He had a worse offensive game than Dillon but didn't provide the defense on flip side.     He helped off LeBron for a wide open 3 (only one he hit).     

Ja and Dillon both seemed to be trying to show out for TV and Shannon Sharpe.     Everybody missed bunnies (except Adams and Clarke).  Bane didn't get enough shots - Jaren definitely didn't.      

By now Taylor and even Ja need to understand when its time to freeze Dillon out of offense.     Either Bane or Jaren should ALWAYS be 2nd in FGA in every game.  

[Ja_Rules 0]

41 minutes ago, memphis slim said:

this is pathetic if it’s the case. 
I would seriously consider the og move honestly or ps. brooks, green and some picks. I love brooks and his swagger but last night’s antics will cost us a series. clint said a man has to know his limitations. reel him in or make the move. I believe the reeling might be too far gone now. 
 

slim. 

I know most of our guys were hurt last year but DB already had a terrible run in the Playoffs this year. I like him and what he brings to the team, I just want coach to have the option to put him on the bench if necessary. That is whay the OG deal does to us.

IF DB accept he is a 6th man and that he will be one the last options in the Playoff main rotation, then we will be fine.

[Ja_Rules 0]

4 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

To be fair Dillon missed some wide open good shots only about 1/3rd of his shots were bad.   I put this L more on FT shooting and Ja then Dillon.     Ja was taking too many 3s early in shot clock and diving into 4 defenders.    He had a worse offensive game than Dillon but didn't provide the defense on flip side.     He helped off LeBron for a wide open 3 (only one he hit).     

Ja and Dillon both seemed to be trying to show out for TV and Shannon Sharpe.     Everybody missed bunnies (except Adams and Clarke).  Bane didn't get enough shots - Jaren definitely didn't.      

By now Taylor and even Ja need to understand when its time to freeze Dillon out of offense.     Either Bane or Jaren should ALWAYS be 2nd in FGA in every game.  

I agree, that last night was more on Ja than DB. If I have to point a reason for the loss...

Overall focus > Fts > Refs 

Bane was fouled on the last play, but he should have passed it early.

[absolutegrizzguy 0]

The DB Experience. Live by him, and die by him. Would rather him be on my team than anyone elses at this point. 

[memphis slim 0]

y’all really believe db would be ok with coming off the bench? I don’t see it at all. if we bring og in, brooks has to be out. 

 

slim. 

[Ja_Rules 0]

2 hours ago, memphis slim said:

y’all really believe db would be ok with coming off the bench? I don’t see it at all. if we bring og in, brooks has to be out. 

 

slim. 

Would Bane be fine coming of the bench? I dont get why it would be a problemn to start of the bench if you will finish games and get payed like a starter. 

Tyus is a great example of that.

[The Truth is OUT 0]

For whatever reason, the team/staff/org have chosen to not nip this terrible shot selection in the bud. It's just part of who this team is, because we're not trading his defense away. That doesn't mean I accept it as a necessary evil. But I guess the Grizzlies have.

Somebody with half a brain is going to see what happened against the Lakers and know how easy it is to get Dillon to turn on chuck mode. I don't think he goes into games deciding it. I think it's in response to in-game conditions. 

There will come a point where a very important game is lost due to this. Heaven help us if any playoff series goes to Game 7.

[Teddy.B 0]

16 minutes ago, The Truth is OUT said:

For whatever reason, the team/staff/org have chosen to not nip this terrible shot selection in the bud. It's just part of who this team is, because we're not trading his defense away. That doesn't mean I accept it as a necessary evil. But I guess the Grizzlies have.

Somebody with half a brain is going to see what happened against the Lakers and know how easy it is to get Dillon to turn on chuck mode. I don't think he goes into games deciding it. I think it's in response to in-game conditions. 

There will come a point where a very important game is lost due to this. Heaven help us if any playoff series goes to Game 7.

 

They did try to address this.

I remember one game where he had like more than 5 assists, he was asked if he was actively trying to get others involved in the offense and he said that the coaching staff was preaching play-making to him. That it was something they worked on during the off season. Bane had the same play-making focus. 

 

Problem is Dillion's default setting can't be changed. He will always see himself as go-to take over the game, hit game winning shot type scorer. 

[Teddy.B 0]

 

 

Dillion will always see himself as THIS guy. Even back then, the announcer said: this ball is not going to be passed. 

[tangogriz 0]

Ja is the leader. The team is built around Ja. The pressure to change is not just on Dillon. To me, its as if the staff wants change to come from within the team. Someone instucting you about fire don't impress like a burn, like losing.

The Lakers game was the beginning. This road trip is gonna tell the tale.

Given Trip's injury and then Bane's, the schedule has been smooth.

But if it ain't good enough, change or forget about it.

[Ndq0327 0]

17 hours ago, memphis slim said:

dbr shot 4-17 last night. granted, he played some great one on defense and I see great benefit in that. 
4-17. 17 attempts is more than bane last night and more than double what trip got in the air. it was obvious to anyone watching this was going to be a chuckster game from him from the tip. he had the duck head down, I’m taking over type mentality from the jump. 
I see major problems with this. anyone else? 

for some reason, I guess coach has rose colored glasses on and just can’t see it. I know this- we can’t afford that crap come playoff time. 

 

slim. 

I think it’s mainly cause they don’t have anyone else that can defend near his level. So they have to live with the bad offensive games sometimes. Of any one of ZW Roddy or LaRavia were good defenders I think Dillion wouldn’t have as much free reign to go into hero mode. 
 

If the Grizz could somehow swing a deal for Matisse Thybulle who isn’t getting as much PT for Philly this year that would be another elite defender the team could utilize. Thybulle for ZW straight up works just fine. 

[pjs 0]

The Grizzlies had an off-shooting night for the most part.  Ja and Dillon were coming up short on their floaters all night - and our free-throw shooting was off except for a stretch in the 4th quarter.  Frustrating, but it happens.  I'm not worried.  Amazing to me that we still got 121 points when shooting poorly and getting almost no fast-break points.

Tyus, Steve-o, and Brandon almost pulled it out for us.  Oh well - bygones.

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

Its well past time to stop criticizing Dillon's role and not criticizing the person that put him there.  Dillon takes all these seemingly bad shots; because our team has become mostly an iso team whenever someone forces us into the halfcourt.   It isn't like we run set plays to get our more efficient scorers good looks.    Dillon's teammates throw him the ball when they all know good and well it aint coming back.   How is that Dillon's fault?  TJ never benches him for when he goes on chuckfest and teammates don't freeze him out.   None of that is Dillon's fault.  

  I know it isn't just me - have any of you noticed that our offensive schemes and tactics have regressed since Ja became an AllStar??  Seems like TJ ran better sets before the push for Ja to become the #1 primary scorer.     

I am tired of the notion that we don't have "enough shooters".    We have 6 players that shoot above league avg (35%) on threes (GSW has 7) that is good enough.   Our offense doesn't get them good looks and Taylors lineups dont have a pecking order.   Plus the least efficient shooters are the ones that take the most!   Ja, Dillon, Roddy, Ziaire all have no conscious and none of them can hit.    Bane and Tyus are the only great shooters that get up attempts but they are usually not easy shots.   Jitty, Jaren, Santi, and Jake are good 3pt shooters but don't have enough attempts.     Truthfully, our 3pt shooting would prob skyrocket if Ja and Dillon would pass the doggone ball instead of settling for 3s.  That is on the Coach.  

Also i am tired of the "Ja get a bucket" offense that TJ loves to run in clutch time.   In Lakers loss the last play had no screens or pindowns being set for Ja's wild attempt into 4 defenders at the bucket that missed.   Unlike Cavs game there was no Steven Adams to clean up the miss.   Truthfully, our halfcourt offense is pretty much Ja or Dillon isolate and Adams get the miss.   Anyone else see a problem with this???    Ja's 4th quarter stats have been trending downward for a while now.   I believe it is because of how he is used now and the lack of creativity of our offensive strategy.   Pretty easy for teams to just clog paint knowing that Ja more than likely gonna brick a 3 or barrel into 4 defenders.   Bane is usually the 4th quarter Savior or even Jaren because they are harder to stop. 

Another issue im having with TJ"s coaching strategy is of course lineups.   He sticks to his spreadsheet no matter the situation.   Also rarely ever rides the hot hand.   We have the horses to compete every night - TJ just doesn't deploy them in most strategic fashion.   Nor does he exploit mismatches enough AKA USE JAREN.     

I am not posting all this to kill or say fire Jenkins.   I am just saying he is no longer an inexperienced Coach and he has as many areas of growth as the players do.    However, i am more concerned about him in PO"s than i am the players shooting. 

[Grizzfan7979 0]

39 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Its well past time to stop criticizing Dillon's role and not criticizing the person that put him there.  Dillon takes all these seemingly bad shots; because our team has become mostly an iso team whenever someone forces us into the halfcourt.   It isn't like we run set plays to get our more efficient scorers good looks.    Dillon's teammates throw him the ball when they all know good and well it aint coming back.   How is that Dillon's fault?  TJ never benches him for when he goes on chuckfest and teammates don't freeze him out.   None of that is Dillon's fault.  

  I know it isn't just me - have any of you noticed that our offensive schemes and tactics have regressed since Ja became an AllStar??  Seems like TJ ran better sets before the push for Ja to become the #1 primary scorer.     

I am tired of the notion that we don't have "enough shooters".    We have 6 players that shoot above league avg (35%) on threes (GSW has 7) that is good enough.   Our offense doesn't get them good looks and Taylors lineups dont have a pecking order.   Plus the least efficient shooters are the ones that take the most!   Ja, Dillon, Roddy, Ziaire all have no conscious and none of them can hit.    Bane and Tyus are the only great shooters that get up attempts but they are usually not easy shots.   Jitty, Jaren, Santi, and Jake are good 3pt shooters but don't have enough attempts.     Truthfully, our 3pt shooting would prob skyrocket if Ja and Dillon would pass the doggone ball instead of settling for 3s.  That is on the Coach.  

Also i am tired of the "Ja get a bucket" offense that TJ loves to run in clutch time.   In Lakers loss the last play had no screens or pindowns being set for Ja's wild attempt into 4 defenders at the bucket that missed.   Unlike Cavs game there was no Steven Adams to clean up the miss.   Truthfully, our halfcourt offense is pretty much Ja or Dillon isolate and Adams get the miss.   Anyone else see a problem with this???    Ja's 4th quarter stats have been trending downward for a while now.   I believe it is because of how he is used now and the lack of creativity of our offensive strategy.   Pretty easy for teams to just clog paint knowing that Ja more than likely gonna brick a 3 or barrel into 4 defenders.   Bane is usually the 4th quarter Savior or even Jaren because they are harder to stop. 

Another issue im having with TJ"s coaching strategy is of course lineups.   He sticks to his spreadsheet no matter the situation.   Also rarely ever rides the hot hand.   We have the horses to compete every night - TJ just doesn't deploy them in most strategic fashion.   Nor does he exploit mismatches enough AKA USE JAREN.     

I am not posting all this to kill or say fire Jenkins.   I am just saying he is no longer an inexperienced Coach and he has as many areas of growth as the players do.    However, i am more concerned about him in PO"s than i am the players shooting. 

We should've made a conscious effort to go to JJJ inside, they literally had nobody to defend him. Lebron doesn't want to do that work down there. Lakers have no rim protection

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

36 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

We should've made a conscious effort to go to JJJ inside, they literally had nobody to defend him. Lebron doesn't want to do that work down there. Lakers have no rim protection

Agreed which points back to coaching 

[The Truth is OUT 0]

36 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

We should've made a conscious effort to go to JJJ inside, they literally had nobody to defend him. Lebron doesn't want to do that work down there. Lakers have no rim protection

with the ever-improving skill set JJJ is showing getting to the hole off of drives from 12 feet out, they do need to set some more offensive motion for him to get the ball near the FT circle so he can go to work, especially late.