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8 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

That got Vince Williams at 45 it can be done just depends on who you are trying to do it with.

I have no idea what they do with those 2nds cause if they can get them to agree to 2ways you can just draft anyone the draft position doesn’t matter.

They could go the international route and stash someone but they have never done that so that idea would be a stretch.

I keep forgetting about Vince.  Could he be our FA signing???  

 

I doubt they stash someone - being able to control their development in GLeague is a much better for organizations.    Right now in our range i can see arguments/logic for drafting Lively/Murray/Leonard..  

My only concern is if they are targeting a Center in a draft that doesn't have many Cs.   Then something is up with Adams/BC. 

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I ain’t got no time for bum hunting. Jalen Hood-Schafino. Period point blank. 

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3 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I keep forgetting about Vince.  Could he be our FA signing???  

 

I doubt they stash someone - being able to control their development in GLeague is a much better for organizations.    Right now in our range i can see arguments/logic for drafting Lively/Murray/Leonard..  

My only concern is if they are targeting a Center in a draft that doesn't have many Cs.   Then something is up with Adams/BC. 

Vince and Jacob Gilyard are both signed to 2-Way through next season, according to hoopshype.com.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis_grizzlies/

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10 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

Vince and Jacob Gilyard are both signed to 2-Way through next season, according to hoopshype.com.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis_grizzlies/

I would expect Gilyard to definitely be released and possibly Williams too. Much better crop of two way prospects in this draft.

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14 hours ago, King Dork said:

I ain’t got no time for bum hunting. Jalen Hood-Schafino. Period point blank. 

Yea he’s a good prospect but he wouldn’t be number one on the board he has some warts and there are other prospects that would fill needs better here. 
 

Hood Schifino reminds me of a bigger Jalen Suggs out of Gonzaga that got drafted by Orlando.

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2 hours ago, Ndq0327 said:

I would expect Gilyard to definitely be released and possibly Williams too. Much better crop of two way prospects in this draft.

I followed JHS game by game after he came on the scene and he was extremely inconsistent.  Also a very poor shooter, decent percentage but like half of his overall threes were made in 3 hot games.

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Draft grades summary for Grizz picks

D+

LaRavia is a solid, jack-of-all-trades type of wing with a well-rounded overall skillset. He did a little bit of everything in his three years at Wake Forest – spot-up shooting, mid-range pullups (61.6% from 2 last year), drawing fouls (career average of four free throws per game), and a dash of playmaking. At 6-8, LaRavia has terrific size for a player with his advanced floor game. His subpar foot speed will hurt him defensively, and he doesn’t possess elite length (nearly even height/wingspan measurements), so it will be an uphill climb for LaRavia to hang with today’s apex-predator wings. Memphis traded an extra first-round pick to take LaRavia, and the Grizzles have an excellent player development track record, but trading up to take LaRavia at No. 19 is a major reach. There are several wings with much more upside available at this point in the draft.

C-

Roddy is a THICK wing with surprisingly nimble feet and underrated playmaking skills. Roddy plays with a high basketball IQ and seems to have a sixth sense for making the right play on either end. He emerged as a strong perimeter shooter after struggling early in his career at Colorado. He uses his bulk to hold his position well defensively and he has active hands. He’s only 6-5 and he lacks top-level athleticism, so it will take some time (and conditioning) before he can contribute for the Grizzlies. Memphis targeted him specifically, sending DeAnthony Melton to Philadelphia, but most big boards had Roddy as a second-round talent.

B+

Chandler might be the fastest player in this draft – with or without the ball in his hands. Chandler possesses rare baseline-to-baseline speed and he can hit top gear from a standstill in no time flat. He is a rock-solid ball handler who doesn’t just rely on raw speed, however. He can effectively change pace and get to any spot he wants. He has the fundamental foundation to become a sharpshooter, but his abysmal 60.6% mark at the foul line leaves a lot to be desired. He is undersized by NBA standards (mayyyybe 6 feet tall, if he’s wearing thick-soled shoes), so he will need to become a Chris Paul-level midrange assassin as a shooter to compensate for his height. But Chandler played his best basketball toward the end of Tennessee’s season, so his growth curve is heading in the right direction. B- Williams is a stout shooting guard out of VCU with strong defensive skills and intriguing playmaking skills. Williams is a bit of a late bloomer as a shooter – he struggled mightily from 3 his first two years, but worked himself into becoming a 40% shooter on decent volume. He won’t wow you with otherworldly athleticism or any one elite skill, but Williams is a strong all-around player who contributes in a variety of ways.

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Who made those grades? 

[Ndq0327 0]

1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

 

That gym is full of scouts and FO people he’s gonna be good.

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

 

It’s always been something about Miller ever since I saw him last year at the combine. His movements are strange I can’t think of the right word for it but he just moves awkwardly and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of aggression to his game.

I still think he’s good but he’s a strange player.

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Draft grades summary for Grizz picks

D+

LaRavia is a solid, jack-of-all-trades type of wing with a well-rounded overall skillset. He did a little bit of everything in his three years at Wake Forest – spot-up shooting, mid-range pullups (61.6% from 2 last year), drawing fouls (career average of four free throws per game), and a dash of playmaking. At 6-8, LaRavia has terrific size for a player with his advanced floor game. His subpar foot speed will hurt him defensively, and he doesn’t possess elite length (nearly even height/wingspan measurements), so it will be an uphill climb for LaRavia to hang with today’s apex-predator wings. Memphis traded an extra first-round pick to take LaRavia, and the Grizzles have an excellent player development track record, but trading up to take LaRavia at No. 19 is a major reach. There are several wings with much more upside available at this point in the draft.

C-

Roddy is a THICK wing with surprisingly nimble feet and underrated playmaking skills. Roddy plays with a high basketball IQ and seems to have a sixth sense for making the right play on either end. He emerged as a strong perimeter shooter after struggling early in his career at Colorado. He uses his bulk to hold his position well defensively and he has active hands. He’s only 6-5 and he lacks top-level athleticism, so it will take some time (and conditioning) before he can contribute for the Grizzlies. Memphis targeted him specifically, sending DeAnthony Melton to Philadelphia, but most big boards had Roddy as a second-round talent.

B+

Chandler might be the fastest player in this draft – with or without the ball in his hands. Chandler possesses rare baseline-to-baseline speed and he can hit top gear from a standstill in no time flat. He is a rock-solid ball handler who doesn’t just rely on raw speed, however. He can effectively change pace and get to any spot he wants. He has the fundamental foundation to become a sharpshooter, but his abysmal 60.6% mark at the foul line leaves a lot to be desired. He is undersized by NBA standards (mayyyybe 6 feet tall, if he’s wearing thick-soled shoes), so he will need to become a Chris Paul-level midrange assassin as a shooter to compensate for his height. But Chandler played his best basketball toward the end of Tennessee’s season, so his growth curve is heading in the right direction. B- Williams is a stout shooting guard out of VCU with strong defensive skills and intriguing playmaking skills. Williams is a bit of a late bloomer as a shooter – he struggled mightily from 3 his first two years, but worked himself into becoming a 40% shooter on decent volume. He won’t wow you with otherworldly athleticism or any one elite skill, but Williams is a strong all-around player who contributes in a variety of ways.

Roddy was a contributor in his first season, and Chandler got cut. Looks like they may have been right on Laravia though. I was hoping for Mike Miller-lite but have yet to see it. No idea on Williams, I don't follow the Hustle.

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25 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Who made those grades? 

https://www.nbadraft.net/2022-nba-draft-instant-analysis/

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3 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

https://www.nbadraft.net/2022-nba-draft-instant-analysis/

I thought this was after the season not immediately after the draft. These guys also gave Keegan Murray a B- as the 4th pick but he looked *good to me this season. Instant analysis means nothing in the long run. 

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21 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

That gym is full of scouts and FO people he’s gonna be good.

If our first rd pick is either Lively, OMAX, Kris Murray or Leonard Miller.  I am good.   

Oddly enough i'd rather bet on OMAX or Murray over trading for OG.  

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Just now, chipc3 said:

I thought this was after the season not immediately after the draft. These guys also gave Keegan Murray a B- as the 4th pick but he looked *good to me this season. Instant analysis means nothing in the long run. 

i look at it to see how accurate the Scouting is.    This one was pretty accurate on Roddy for sure and he was only guy they drafted that i was high on.     

I wanted Marjon Beauchamp over LaRavia but its apparent Grizz FO valued shooting on the wing more than anything else.   Because the more athletic prospects in our range were all poor shooters.   

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

If our first rd pick is either Lively, OMAX, Kris Murray or Leonard Miller.  I am good.   

Oddly enough i'd rather bet on OMAX or Murray over trading for OG.  

Didn't really see any of those guys play except Miller against the Hustle.  He was okay, seemed to rebound well.  Looking at highlights I really like Prosper's and Lively's defense.  They look like they could be impactful on that end of the floor, but I'm not convinced of their offensive potential.  I really like O-Max's motor, and Lively's looks pretty decent too.  Murray looks to be the most well rounded to me.  Will any of them be in our range?  nbadraft.net shows us taking O-Max at 45, but a lot of mocks don't show him at all.  Most show Murray and Miller out of our range with Lively a bit closer.  I hope good scouting and luck are with us whomever we draft.

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1 hour ago, smit-tay griz said:

Didn't really see any of those guys play except Miller against the Hustle.  He was okay, seemed to rebound well.  Looking at highlights I really like Prosper's and Lively's defense.  They look like they could be impactful on that end of the floor, but I'm not convinced of their offensive potential.  I really like O-Max's motor, and Lively's looks pretty decent too.  Murray looks to be the most well rounded to me.  Will any of them be in our range?  nbadraft.net shows us taking O-Max at 45, but a lot of mocks don't show him at all.  Most show Murray and Miller out of our range with Lively a bit closer.  I hope good scouting and luck are with us whomever we draft.

Miller and Murray are least likely at our spot.    Its possible Lively slips a bit, but i think OMAX is gettable at our range. 

Miller is like swiss army knife frontcourt player.  He can legit play all 3 frontcourt positions - just depends on how we want to develop him.   Sort of an Athletic High Motor Kyle Anderson.

OMAX is literally OG 2yrs ago but healthy - that's what excites me about him (shotout to @Ndq0327 for putting him on my radar).  

Lively is if Jaren was a true Center.   Seems like a good future pairing esp with Adams/BC futures seeming so uncertain. 

Kris Murray is what i hope Jake LaRavia can become - which is Cam Johnson 2.0.     Sweet Shooting Combo forward that can play solid defense. 

 

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9 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Miller and Murray are least likely at our spot.    Its possible Lively slips a bit, but i think OMAX is gettable at our range. 

Miller is like swiss army knife frontcourt player.  He can legit play all 3 frontcourt positions - just depends on how we want to develop him.   Sort of an Athletic High Motor Kyle Anderson.

OMAX is literally OG 2yrs ago but healthy - that's what excites me about him (shotout to @Ndq0327 for putting him on my radar).  

Lively is if Jaren was a true Center.   Seems like a good future pairing esp with Adams/BC futures seeming so uncertain. 

Kris Murray is what i hope Jake LaRavia can become - which is Cam Johnson 2.0.     Sweet Shooting Combo forward that can play solid defense. 

 

Or maybe a taller Matisse Thybulle, which wouldn't be bad, but just not as much help offensively.

I don't think Jake is as mobile or athletic as Murray, but I hope he becomes serviceable.

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9 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Or maybe a taller Matisse Thybulle, which wouldn't be bad, but just not as much help offensively.

I don't think Jake is as mobile or athletic as Murray, but I hope he becomes serviceable.

Yes either way OMAX looks like a surefire high level defender.   It took OG a few years to get his shot consistent so his offense wouldn't deter me.   

I agree with you on Jake which is why if we drafted Murray - i would try to find a new home for Jake.  

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Lively at 25 then Omax or Bailey at 45 would be perfect

[nwagrizzfan 0]

Prosper won't drop past the first round

IMO of course 

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3 hours ago, nwagrizzfan said:

Prosper won't drop past the first round

IMO of course 

He wasn't on a lot of boards before, but seems to be rising now.

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Lively is gonna go high but be a disappointment cause he still has no offense outside of being a lob threat and put back guy. He can shoot in workouts but will it translate to games remains to be seen