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As in the past, a thread devoted to Grizzlies potential (albeit unlikely) signings, and potential signings of Grizzlies opponents.  This first post updated through early July with what's available.

Grizzlies FA: Tyus Jones, Kyle Anderson, and Jarrett Culver

Former Grizzlies (loosely defined & as best I can remember) in italics (think of the memories!).  Positions & status from Spotrac.com

Guards - James Harden(PO), Bradley Beal (PO), Gary Harris, Zach LaVine, Ricky Rubio, Jeremy Lamb, Delon Wright, Tyus Jones, Jarrett Culver, Patrick Mills(PO), Dennis Schröder, Avery Bradley, Collin Sexton (RFA), Lou Williams, Josh Jackson, Bruce Brown Jr., Bryn Forbes, Donte DiVincenzo(RFA), Facundo Campazzo(RFA), Lonnie Walker IV (RFA), Frank Jackson (CO), Ryan Arcidiacono, Wayne Ellington, Rajon Rondo, Aaron Holiday(RFA), Anfernee Simons(RFA), Kent Bazemore, Austin Rivers, Victor Oladipo, Tony Snell, Elfrid Payton, Raul Neto, Wesley Matthews, Rodney McGruder, Gary Payton II, Malik Monk, Matt Thomas(RFA), Jalen Brunson, Damion Lee, Lug Dort(CO), Austin Reaves(CO), Jaylen Nowell (CO), Carsen Edwards (RFA), Lance Stephenson, Goran Dragic, D.J. Augustin, Tomas Satoransky, Jevon Carter, Isaiah Thomas, John Wall

ForwardsAndre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, Joe Ingles, T.J. Warren, Montrezl Harrell, Derrick Jones Jr., Kyle Anderson, Marvin Bagley III (RFA), P.J. Tucker (PO), Chris Boucher, Jalen Smith, Kevon Looney, Kevin Knox (RFA), Bobby Portis (PO), Miles Bridges (RFA), Jake Layman, Troy Brown Jr. (RFA), Mike Muscala (CO), Nicolas Batum (PO), Josh Okogie (RFA), LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul Millsap, Blake Griffin, Udonis Haslem, Carmelo Anthony, Markieff Morris, Otto Porter Jr., Ben McLemore, Rodney Hood, Nemanja Bjelica, Isaac Bonga, Stanley Johnson (CO), Isaiah Roby (CO), Bruno Fernando (RFA), Cody Martin (RFA), Jae’Sean Tate (CO), Nicolas Claxton (RFA), Eric Paschall (RFA), Vlatko Cancar (RFA), Oshae Brissett (CO), CJ Elleby (RFA), Elijah Hughes (RFA), Anthony Gill (RFA), Jordan Nwora (RFA), Yuta Watanabe (RFA), Juan Toscano-Anderson (RFA), Wenyen Gabriel, Sam Hauser (CO), Juwan Morgan (CO), Danuel House, Caleb Martin (RFA), Joe Wieskamp (RFA)

Centers - Jusuf Nurkic, Deandre Ayton (RFA), Serge Ibaka, Thomas Bryant, Mohamed Bamba (RFA), JaVale McGee, Robin Lopez, Gorgui Dieng, Dwight Howard, Ed Davis, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond, Dewayne Dedmon, Bol Bol (RFA), Isaiah Hartenstein, Mitchell Robinson, Naz Reid (CO), Bismack Biyombo, Damian Jones, Tristan Thompson, DeMarcus Cousins, 
Luke Kornet, DeAndre Jordan

 

Feel free to offer any corrections.

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Best team of former Grizzlies (FA) I could build (based on how good they were during time with Grizzlies)

  • Tyus Jones
  • Delon Wright
  • Gorgui Dieng
  • Kyle Anderson
  • Jeff Green

 

Best team of former Grizzlies (FA) I could build (based on how good they were at their best, 3 are DNP with Grizzlies):

  • Rajon Rondo
  • Lance Stephenson
  • Dwight Howard
  • Andre Iguodala
  • Jeff Green

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20 hours ago, Grizzled Vet said:

As in the past, a thread devoted to Grizzlies potential (albeit unlikely) signings, and potential signings of Grizzlies opponents.  This first post updated through early July with what's available.

Grizzlies FA: Tyus Jones, Kyle Anderson, and Jarrett Culver

Former Grizzlies (loosely defined & as best I can remember) in italics (think of the memories!).  Positions & status from Spotrac.com

Guards - John Wall (PO), James Harden(PO), Russell Westbrook (PO), Bradley Beal (PO), Kyrie Irving (PO), Gary Harris, Zach LaVine, Ricky Rubio, Jeremy Lamb, Delon Wright, Tyus Jones, Jarrett Culver, Patrick Mills(PO), Dennis Schröder, Avery Bradley, Pat Connaughton(PO), Hamidou Diallo(CO), Kendrick Nunn(PO), Collin Sexton(RFA), Cory Joseph(PO), Lou Williams, Josh Jackson, Bruce Brown Jr., Bryn Forbes, Donte DiVincenzo(RFA), Facundo Campazzo(RFA), Trey Burke(PO), Lonnie Walker IV(RFA), Frank Jackson(CO), Ryan Arcidiacono, Wayne Ellington, Rajon Rondo, Aaron Holiday(RFA), Anfernee Simons(RFA), Kent Bazemore, Austin Rivers, Victor Oladipo, Tony Snell, Elfrid Payton, Raul Neto, Wesley Matthews, Rodney McGruder, Gary Payton II, Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk(PO), Malik Monk, Matt Thomas(RFA), Shake Milton(CO), Jalen Brunson, Damion Lee, Lug Dort(CO), Austin Reaves(CO), Jaylen Nowell(CO), Carsen Edwards (CO), Lance Stephenson, Goran Dragic, D.J. Augustin, Tomas Satoransky, Jevon Carter, Isaiah Thomas

ForwardsAndre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young, Joe Ingles, Taurean Prince, T.J. Warren, Montrezl Harrell, Derrick Jones Jr., Kyle Anderson, Marvin Bagley III (RFA), JaMychal Green (PO), P.J. Tucker (PO), Chris Boucher, Jalen Smith, Kevon Looney, Kevin Knox (RFA), Jeff Green (PO), Bobby Portis (PO), Miles Bridges (RFA), Jake Layman, Troy Brown Jr. (RFA),Mike Muscala (CO), Nicolas Batum (PO), Josh Okogie (RFA), LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul Millsap, Blake Griffin, Udonis Haslem, Carmelo Anthony, Markieff Morris, Trey Lyles (CO), Otto Porter Jr., Ben McLemore, Rodney Hood, Nemanja Bjelica, Thanasis Antetokounmpo (PO), Isaac Bonga, Stanley Johnson (CO), Isaiah Roby (CO), Bruno Fernando (RFA), Jalen McDaniels (CO), Cody Martin (RFA), Jae’Sean Tate (CO), Nicolas Claxton (RFA), Eric Paschall (RFA), Vlatko Cancar (RFA), Oshae Brissett (CO), Dean Wade (CO), CJ Elleby (RFA), Elijah Hughes (RFA), Anthony Gill (RFA), Jordan Nwora (RFA), Yuta Watanabe (RFA), Juan Toscano-Anderson (RFA), Wenyen Gabriel, Sam Hauser (CO), Juwan Morgan (CO), Danuel House, Caleb Martin (RFA), Joe Wieskamp (RFA)

Centers - Jusuf Nurkic, Deandre Ayton (RFA), Serge Ibaka, Thomas Bryant, Ivica Zubac (CO), Mohamed Bamba (RFA), JaVale McGee, Robin Lopez, Gorgui Dieng, Dwight Howard, Ed Davis, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond, Dewayne Dedmon, Bol Bol (RFA), Tony Bradley (PO), Isaiah Hartenstein, Mitchell RobinsonNaz Reid (CO), Bismack Biyombo, Luka Garza (CO), Damian Jones, Tristan Thompson, DeMarcus Cousins, 
Luke Kornet, DeAndre Jordan

 

Feel free to offer any corrections.

I think we should get the combo guard and the combo forward from the draft, but I really like the @chipc3 idea of S&T for Bamba. If we fail to get a combo guard I like Delon Wright as a backup that could play with Ja. Miles Bridges would be my forward choice, but he will probably cost us too much. 

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59 minutes ago, Ja_Rules said:

I think we should get the combo guard and the combo forward from the draft, but I really like the @chipc3 idea of S&T for Bamba. If we fail to get a combo guard I like Delon Wright as a backup that could play with Ja. Miles Bridges would be my forward choice, but he will probably cost us too much. 

I don't want Mo Bamba anywhere near this team and he doesn't want to be in Memphis. yeah, this was during the draft but still. If he was that specific about not being in Memphis, I'm sure he still feels the same way

Mo Bamba refuses workout for Grizzlies, prefers not to be in Memphis

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"Mo Bamba has refused to come to workout for Memphis, refused to share his medicals, and has told them openly he would prefer not to be in Memphis," Givony said.

 

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1 hour ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

I don't want Mo Bamba anywhere near this team and he doesn't want to be in Memphis. yeah, this was during the draft but still. If he was that specific about not being in Memphis, I'm sure he still feels the same way

Mo Bamba refuses workout for Grizzlies, prefers not to be in Memphis

 

Jaren did the same thing, coach and FO covinced him on draft night

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5 minutes ago, Ja_Rules said:

Jaren did the same thing, coach and FO covinced him on draft night

Being drafted as a high lottery pick and signing as a FA are 2 different things to convince. I don't remember JJJ basically having his agent saying he didn't want to be in Memphis. I think there was some speculation and scuttlebutt and anonymous sources saying he didn't want to play in Memphis. Did JJJ work out for Memphis?

Also, it's not like he's had a stellar career. He had a career year this year across the board and yet Orlando is looking to replace him with a draft pick. His numbers are not eye popping and it's not like he was helping them win. They had the 2nd worst record in the league. Sure, he shot 38% from 3, but to me, this is classic overperform in a contract year type situation.

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Give me a point guard (if we can't resign Tyus); Rubio, Mills,  Schröder, Satoransky, Walker

A big; Bryant, Hartenstein, Boucher, Jalen Smith, Damian Jones,

and a depth piece;, Yuta


We'll be rollin'
 

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24 minutes ago, cdp said:

Give me a point guard (if we can't resign Tyus); Rubio, Mills, Joseph, Schröder, Satoransky

A big; Ibaka, Bryant, McGee, Hartenstein, Robinson

and a depth piece; Ingles, Warren, Jones Jr., Layman, Yuta


We'll be rollin'
 

I want Rubio/Mitch Rob too!

Although maybe Ayton would be the player to go after.  Doubt we have the money/players/leverage to make a deal for Beal/LaVine.

My fave "depth piece" is probably PJ Tucker.  Layman might be a good Moneyball depth piece.  I like his game ok.  Yuta for cheap if we can't get any of the other "depth guys".

Yeah, Hartenstein would be interesting too.  Younger than JaVale.  I think Hartenstein had some really good advanced stats according to some defensive metrics.

At worst, why not bring back some former Grizzlies on the cheap?  Jevon Carter for defense/point guard depth, JaMychal Green for solid power forward play, and Yuta as a Culver replacement/Slo Mo insurance.  

I also think the draft is where we should address our WING PLAYER needs -- the draft seems like the BEST way (and maybe the ONLY way for small market teams) to acquire (potential) superstar wing players.

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The question about Rubio is does he think he can still be a starter? He will be 32 years old when the season starts and I'm sure he wants to plan on a veteran contending team. He would be a nice replacement for Tyus though but he made $17.8 mil last year. No reason to think he's taking some drastic pay cut to be a FT backup imo.

Personally, I'm looking for an athletic stretch 4 and we move JJJ over to C and Adams to the bench. NOt quite sure that player exists and/or is available but I think we need to accelerate the JJJ to C plan.

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I am in buy -low FA mode if we go FA route

  • TJ Warren
  • Donte Inferno (shoutout @Rdk4121   )
  • Victor Oladipo
  • Jalen Smith

The hope is that these guys coming off injury would be willing to come to a young playoff team if they have a designated role. 

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2 hours ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

The question about Rubio is does he think he can still be a starter? He will be 32 years old when the season starts and I'm sure he wants to plan on a veteran contending team. He would be a nice replacement for Tyus though but he made $17.8 mil last year. No reason to think he's taking some drastic pay cut to be a FT backup imo.

Personally, I'm looking for an athletic stretch 4 and we move JJJ over to C and Adams to the bench. NOt quite sure that player exists and/or is available but I think we need to accelerate the JJJ to C plan.

 

Jalen Smith 

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Just looking at the teams that Tyus could sign with, assuming he wants to start and get big money:

Here are 3 options given by USA today blog (Cavs, Knicks, Spurs)

1. Cavs -  I don't think it makes sense to go sign Tyus Jones when Garland is there.  Nor do I think it would be wise for anyone to let Sextono walk and sign Tyus.

2. Knicks - Bigger market, but I don't think the Grizzlies will lose Tyus to some team that can only offer the MLE, which at the moment, is all they can offer him.  I also think it would be a real disappointing off-season in NY if their big FA signing is a backup PG.

3. Spurs - This team might offer him the most money, and I certainly do not fault any player for taking as much money as possible.  I think this is legit threat, but if Spurs aren't in win now mode, why not go young at PG and develop that player?

 

Teams with most space (as of now): 

Orlando  

Detroit - same role as here but on a worse team

Indiana - may be shedding players and not look to pick up a player like Tyus since they aren't in a win now or next year mode.

Spurs (see above,

Portland - probably not adding a PG

OKC (same role as here, but worse team; not looking to make playoffs)

 

 

If predicting Tyus Jones location next year, I'm guessing Memphis Grizzlies

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17 hours ago, Grizzled Vet said:

Just looking at the teams that Tyus could sign with, assuming he wants to start and get big money:

Here are 3 options given by USA today blog (Cavs, Knicks, Spurs)

1. Cavs -  I don't think it makes sense to go sign Tyus Jones when Garland is there.  Nor do I think it would be wise for anyone to let Sextono walk and sign Tyus.

2. Knicks - Bigger market, but I don't think the Grizzlies will lose Tyus to some team that can only offer the MLE, which at the moment, is all they can offer him.  I also think it would be a real disappointing off-season in NY if their big FA signing is a backup PG.

3. Spurs - This team might offer him the most money, and I certainly do not fault any player for taking as much money as possible.  I think this is legit threat, but if Spurs aren't in win now mode, why not go young at PG and develop that player?

 

Teams with most space (as of now): 

Orlando  

Detroit - same role as here but on a worse team

Indiana - may be shedding players and not look to pick up a player like Tyus since they aren't in a win now or next year mode.

Spurs (see above,

Portland - probably not adding a PG

OKC (same role as here, but worse team; not looking to make playoffs)

If predicting Tyus Jones location next year, I'm guessing Memphis Grizzlies

Tyus would be the backup in San Antonio. I don't see Tyus leaving for a backup roll with Ja's injury history. However, his brother Tre plays in San Antonio also. Signing Tyus could cost Tre his job. 

I think we need to contain our fears to teams that have an opening at PG and aren't drafting a PG high in this draft. Washington needs a PG but they may draft Johnny Davis or possibly Jaden Ivey (they'd either have to move up to Sacramento's pick or see Ivey shockingly fall to 10th) or Dyson Daniels (not as big a reach to see him available).

New York is a real threat since most likely the best PG prospects (i.e. starting as a rookie) should be off the board by 11. New York has both Derrick Rose and Kemba Walker but New York isn't going to go anywhere with either of those players starting. Signing Tyus gives them a PG who isn't a shoot first player who can make their players better plus allowing them to go after another need such as Jalen Duren in the middle as Mitchell Robinson is apparently on the trade block. 

Chicago is a possibility to sign Tyus with Ball apparently more injured than originally suspected. Tyus could fit well with the Bulls. However I believe the big threats to steal Tyus come from Minnesota (his hometown and likely looking for a replacement for De'Angelo Russel), New York, Washington, New Orleans and Houston. 

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3 hours ago, chipc3 said:

 

New York is a real threat since most likely the best PG prospects (i.e. starting as a rookie) should be off the board by 11. New York has both Derrick Rose and Kemba Walker but New York isn't going to go anywhere with either of those players starting. Signing Tyus gives them a PG who isn't a shoot first player who can make their players better plus allowing them to go after another need such as Jalen Duren in the middle as Mitchell Robinson is apparently on the trade block. 

 

This is my guess too. Good summary of the NYK situation there.

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On 6/11/2022 at 10:37 AM, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

I don't want Mo Bamba anywhere near this team and he doesn't want to be in Memphis. yeah, this was during the draft but still. If he was that specific about not being in Memphis, I'm sure he still feels the same way

Mo Bamba refuses workout for Grizzlies, prefers not to be in Memphis

 

At the time Bamba refused to work out for Memphis, the team was in disarray. We were coming off a bad year, about to rebuild by tearing the team apart, a front office in turmoil, poor history of developing players. No way you should be mad at a player who wanted to be in a better situation than what we had at the time. 

While I won't hold grudges against Bamba, I still don't believe in him. I wouldn't mind gambling on him, but I probably wouldn't offer even the MLE. I would assume he gets better offers than I'd be willing to give. For me, it's time to make moves to compete NOW. Bamba would be a developmental piece. We still have to develop players for the future, which is why I am not opposed to Bamba. But any substantial investment better put us closer to competing for the title. Bamba does not.

On 6/11/2022 at 2:59 PM, GrizzTigerFan said:

I am in buy -low FA mode if we go FA route

  • TJ Warren
  • Donte Inferno (shoutout @Rdk4121   )
  • Victor Oladipo
  • Jalen Smith

The hope is that these guys coming off injury would be willing to come to a young playoff team if they have a designated role. 

They should definitely bring TJ Warren in for a workout. He hasn't played much in the last two years. You need to see if he is physically capable before taking that gamble. But he is what we are searching for- a big wing with scoring capabilities. 

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41 minutes ago, lsugrizzfan said:

At the time Bamba refused to work out for Memphis, the team was in disarray. We were coming off a bad year, about to rebuild by tearing the team apart, a front office in turmoil, poor history of developing players. No way you should be mad at a player who wanted to be in a better situation than what we had at the time. 

While I won't hold grudges against Bamba, I still don't believe in him. I wouldn't mind gambling on him, but I probably wouldn't offer even the MLE. I would assume he gets better offers than I'd be willing to give. For me, it's time to make moves to compete NOW. Bamba would be a developmental piece. We still have to develop players for the future, which is why I am not opposed to Bamba. But any substantial investment better put us closer to competing for the title. Bamba does not.

That's only part of me not wanting Bamba. I don't think he's that good. As I mentioned in a following post, it's the classic contract year overachievment type year to me and it's not like he had a great year. He had a great year for him, who is basically a bust. Plus, his team was horrible so it's not like he helped them win. Him refusing to come to Memphis a few years ago is the icing on the cake for me not wanting him here and personally, I think him not wanting to come was more the city than the team being in disarray but that's just my opinion.

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This is going to be unpopular but here it goes anyway.

Moneyball bench player Shake Milton.

His most prolific uninjured season was 2 ago.  63 games.  13ppg.  35% from three.   83% FT line.   2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio.  3 assists per gm.  Salary around 1.6 million per.

Doc Rivers praised his D vs players like Zach LaVine.

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24 minutes ago, bhoyal said:

This is going to be unpopular but here it goes anyway.

Moneyball bench player Shake Milton.

His most prolific uninjured season was 2 ago.  63 games.  13ppg.  35% from three.   83% FT line.   2 to 1 assist/turnover ratio.  3 assists per gm.  Salary around 1.6 million per.

Doc Rivers praised his D vs players like Zach LaVine.

The reason it will be unpopular is because Shake is on a club option for next year.  He's not a FA until the Sixers say he's a free agent.

The Sixers will pick up that option the first day they have the opportunity to do so (IMO) because he's a bargain.

 

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On 6/11/2022 at 11:37 AM, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

I don't want Mo Bamba anywhere near this team and he doesn't want to be in Memphis. yeah, this was during the draft but still. If he was that specific about not being in Memphis, I'm sure he still feels the same way

Mo Bamba refuses workout for Grizzlies, prefers not to be in Memphis

 

Mo Bamba will GET his Wish 

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14 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Tyus would be the backup in San Antonio. I don't see Tyus leaving for a backup roll with Ja's injury history. However, his brother Tre plays in San Antonio also. Signing Tyus could cost Tre his job. 

I think we need to contain our fears to teams that have an opening at PG and aren't drafting a PG high in this draft. Washington needs a PG but they may draft Johnny Davis or possibly Jaden Ivey (they'd either have to move up to Sacramento's pick or see Ivey shockingly fall to 10th) or Dyson Daniels (not as big a reach to see him available).

New York is a real threat since most likely the best PG prospects (i.e. starting as a rookie) should be off the board by 11. New York has both Derrick Rose and Kemba Walker but New York isn't going to go anywhere with either of those players starting. Signing Tyus gives them a PG who isn't a shoot first player who can make their players better plus allowing them to go after another need such as Jalen Duren in the middle as Mitchell Robinson is apparently on the trade block. 

Chicago is a possibility to sign Tyus with Ball apparently more injured than originally suspected. Tyus could fit well with the Bulls. However I believe the big threats to steal Tyus come from Minnesota (his hometown and likely looking for a replacement for De'Angelo Russel), New York, Washington, New Orleans and Houston. 

New Orleans isn't drafting/signing a PG, they'll just give Alvardo a bigger role given how he performed in playoffs. I doubt the rockets are looking for somebody like Tyus they're in full rebuild.

Washington is a mess. Maybe they would offer but they may be about to tear it down and rebuild. Does signing Tyus make sense there?

Probably New York or Minnesota might try to pry him. Minnesota has an awful salary cap situation and can really only offer MLE. Plus they still have Beverly and Russell on the books for a combined 40 million next year.

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On 6/11/2022 at 2:59 PM, GrizzTigerFan said:

I am in buy -low FA mode if we go FA route

  • TJ Warren
  • Donte Inferno (shoutout @Rdk4121   )
  • Victor Oladipo
  • Jalen Smith

The hope is that these guys coming off injury would be willing to come to a young playoff team if they have a designated role. 

Any of these guys would be good pickups. Jalen Smith has the highest upside of those guys imo, as he's the youngest and has a very interesting skill set. Pacers most likely can't bring him back either (they can only offer him like 5 million), so we could certainly outbid that. Since I doubt we bring on more than one FA, it might be worth using the full MLE on him depending on the market. 

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9 hours ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

New Orleans isn't drafting/signing a PG, they'll just give Alvardo a bigger role given how he performed in playoffs. I doubt the rockets are looking for somebody like Tyus they're in full rebuild.

Washington is a mess. Maybe they would offer but they may be about to tear it down and rebuild. Does signing Tyus make sense there?

Probably New York or Minnesota might try to pry him. Minnesota has an awful salary cap situation and can really only offer MLE. Plus they still have Beverly and Russell on the books for a combined 40 million next year.

I’m assuming Russell is gone if they make a play for Tyus. 

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9 hours ago, Rdk4121 said:

Any of these guys would be good pickups. Jalen Smith has the highest upside of those guys imo, as he's the youngest and has a very interesting skill set. Pacers most likely can't bring him back either (they can only offer him like 5 million), so we could certainly outbid that. Since I doubt we bring on more than one FA, it might be worth using the full MLE on him depending on the market. 

I just want someone that can be depended on to create their own offense in playoffs.   Oladipo and TJ Warren meet that criteria.   However, I really can't see Oladipo agreeing to another bench role, which is why Donte becomes an option.        Jalen Smith does project to be an ideal fit at PF next to Jaren and has skillset to allow him to play next to BC too.    It would be nice to lock him up on team friendly deal so our Big rotation is cemented for a few years.  Brandon is due extension and i am not sure how much it will cost to retain him.   

Ultimately i think we sign one FA vet and trade for another.   

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4 hours ago, chipc3 said:

I’m assuming Russell is gone if they make a play for Tyus. 

Maybe but how are they moving Russell? Probably have to include a draft pick, so now they're sending out picks to sign Tyus when they could just sit tight with Beverly and Russell. Plus they let him walk 3 years ago

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