Memphis Grizzlies and NBA Roster Moves

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Grizz are never getting bridges time to look at the draft or the underrated guys I don’t think there is a name the fans would like that the Grizz could trade for.

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2 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Cam Johnson is probably available for the overpay but we don't have capspace to do it.  I really wish folks would stop with the Bridges fantasies.  

I wasn't commenting on the rumors. Just kind of laughing that both stories came from the same website. 

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15 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Grizz are never getting bridges time to look at the draft or the underrated guys I don’t think there is a name the fans would like that the Grizz could trade for.

Replace Tyus and bring in a Vet combo forward and call it a day.     Our biggest problem was that Tyus and Dillon were unplayable in POs.  As long as both can be counted on as PO contributors then its a win. 

Pick one from each option and call it a day.  Keep in mind at least one needs to be a real threat from deep and one needs to be able to handle the ball. 

Guard: 

• Alex Caruso
• Cobe White
•  Gabe Vincent
• Delon Wright
• Gary Harris
• Ayo Dosunmu
• Bruce Brown
• Svi Mykhailiuk

Forward:

• Dorian Finney Smith
• Royce Oneal
• Robert Covington
• Yuta Watanabe 
• Grant Williams
• Oshae Brissett
• Mathise Thybulle
• Keita Bates-Diop
• Doug McDermott

 

For example:   trade for Royce ONeal and sign Gabe Vincent   or trade for Alex Caruso and sign Yuta. 

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I forgot to add Shake Milton.. This my guy.    He can play PG,SG,SF and thanks to Philly won't cost entire MLE.     He is the type of guy that will outplay his contract.  

 

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I thought this was interesting

https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-aging-like-a-fine-oh-never-mind/

It’s not that DeAndre Hunter has been bad, it’s just that there are too many games where you don’t feel his impact. His numbers last year were good: 15 points per game, on 46% from the field, and 36% from the three. Yet it just seems that he floats in and out of games and never quite puts it all together for any significant stretches. Hunter’s career trajectory feels a lot like Harrison Barnes. A player anyone is happy to have, until the biggest moments arrive and he’s nowhere to be found.

Coby White is stuck as a combo guard that doesn’t have an elite skill to rely upon. He’s a good shooter on the catch, and can be a serviceable playmaker on-ball, which should continue to make him a valuable reserve. But much like Barrett, that’s just not the career trajectory the Bulls were hoping for for a player taken that high in the lottery.

Rui Hachimura is a player that for much of his career has seemed to struggle to settle into what his skillset best allows for him to do positionally. If he can shoot the way he has this postseason – really in the postseason in general, as Hachimura has shot a blistering 56% from the three-point line over 19 games played in postseason trips with both Washington in 2021 and the Lakers thus far these playoffs – he becomes a far more intriguing player as someone who can be utilized to punish matchups; either in the post against smaller players as a small forward, or on the perimeter as a stretch four. But playoffs notwithstanding, Hachimura’s play over his career has left far more questions than answers. As indicated by the fact that Washington jettisoned their former lottery pick for Kendrick Nunn and what amounts to future trade flotsam. Rui’s performance in these playoffs is going to precipitate someone overpaying for a player that will probably underperform his next contract.

Cameron Johnson’s nagging injuries aside, he has proven that he can be an effective scorer, and at times, an elite shooter. Someone is going to open their checkbooks this offseason in hopes he can be a difference maker for their team. If he can stay relatively healthy, which is a big if, Johnson is a very good third option for a team that needs shooting and perimeter scoring.

Brandon Clarke is an awesome role player who provides great energy off the bench. He also hasn’t played more than 65 games in a season and recently suffered an achilles tear. An injury that not only can require up to a year and a half to fully recover from, but also has been known to permanently inhibit the athleticism from some who have suffered it. The unfortunate reality is that for a player who relies on his quickness and leaping ability, the accumulation of injuries feels like it will eventually rob the Grizzlies versatile bigman of what has made him such an effective player thus far.

52nd Pick- Jalen McDaniels is the type of player you’ll gladly have as a rotation guy who can give you good minutes defensively and may get a little extra burn if he has it going that night. And at 6’9” he brings impressive size at the small forward position. He’ll hang around the league because of those qualities, but that’s about where his game tops out.

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2 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I thought this was interesting

https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-draft-aging-like-a-fine-oh-never-mind/

It’s not that DeAndre Hunter has been bad, it’s just that there are too many games where you don’t feel his impact. His numbers last year were good: 15 points per game, on 46% from the field, and 36% from the three. Yet it just seems that he floats in and out of games and never quite puts it all together for any significant stretches. Hunter’s career trajectory feels a lot like Harrison Barnes. A player anyone is happy to have, until the biggest moments arrive and he’s nowhere to be found.

Coby White is stuck as a combo guard that doesn’t have an elite skill to rely upon. He’s a good shooter on the catch, and can be a serviceable playmaker on-ball, which should continue to make him a valuable reserve. But much like Barrett, that’s just not the career trajectory the Bulls were hoping for for a player taken that high in the lottery.

Rui Hachimura is a player that for much of his career has seemed to struggle to settle into what his skillset best allows for him to do positionally. If he can shoot the way he has this postseason – really in the postseason in general, as Hachimura has shot a blistering 56% from the three-point line over 19 games played in postseason trips with both Washington in 2021 and the Lakers thus far these playoffs – he becomes a far more intriguing player as someone who can be utilized to punish matchups; either in the post against smaller players as a small forward, or on the perimeter as a stretch four. But playoffs notwithstanding, Hachimura’s play over his career has left far more questions than answers. As indicated by the fact that Washington jettisoned their former lottery pick for Kendrick Nunn and what amounts to future trade flotsam. Rui’s performance in these playoffs is going to precipitate someone overpaying for a player that will probably underperform his next contract.

Cameron Johnson’s nagging injuries aside, he has proven that he can be an effective scorer, and at times, an elite shooter. Someone is going to open their checkbooks this offseason in hopes he can be a difference maker for their team. If he can stay relatively healthy, which is a big if, Johnson is a very good third option for a team that needs shooting and perimeter scoring.

Brandon Clarke is an awesome role player who provides great energy off the bench. He also hasn’t played more than 65 games in a season and recently suffered an achilles tear. An injury that not only can require up to a year and a half to fully recover from, but also has been known to permanently inhibit the athleticism from some who have suffered it. The unfortunate reality is that for a player who relies on his quickness and leaping ability, the accumulation of injuries feels like it will eventually rob the Grizzlies versatile bigman of what has made him such an effective player thus far.

52nd Pick- Jalen McDaniels is the type of player you’ll gladly have as a rotation guy who can give you good minutes defensively and may get a little extra burn if he has it going that night. And at 6’9” he brings impressive size at the small forward position. He’ll hang around the league because of those qualities, but that’s about where his game tops out.

The bit on Clarke is what I'm really afraid of.  More that anyone we have, maybe even including Ja, he is reliant on his athleticism for success.  His quick leaping and second jump ability is what his game is built on.  He is pretty much a non-shooter outside of 3 feet, not a good ball handler, and a mediocre passer.  His rebounding and defense are totally reliant on his athletic ability.  I am not optimistic about his future, nor the Grizzlies ability to compete financially with him inking that new deal.  $12.5M for the next four years could prove to be a real albatross for the team.  I really hope he proves me wrong, but history shows that his injury is usually devastating to those who rely solely on athleticism, especially for a guy already undersized at his position.

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38 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

The bit on Clarke is what I'm really afraid of.  More that anyone we have, maybe even including Ja, he is reliant on his athleticism for success.  His quick leaping and second jump ability is what his game is built on.  He is pretty much a non-shooter outside of 3 feet, not a good ball handler, and a mediocre passer.  His rebounding and defense are totally reliant on his athletic ability.  I am not optimistic about his future, nor the Grizzlies ability to compete financially with him inking that new deal.  $12.5M for the next four years could prove to be a real albatross for the team.  I really hope he proves me wrong, but history shows that his injury is usually devastating to those who rely solely on athleticism, especially for a guy already undersized at his position.

That is why I think the most prudent course of action would be to try to trade him to a team with cap room to spare willing to take on his now bad contract for maybe a second round pick or two.

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The opening night SF will be on the Summer League roster

That's my sorta hot take

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2 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

The bit on Clarke is what I'm really afraid of.  More that anyone we have, maybe even including Ja, he is reliant on his athleticism for success.  His quick leaping and second jump ability is what his game is built on.  He is pretty much a non-shooter outside of 3 feet, not a good ball handler, and a mediocre passer.  His rebounding and defense are totally reliant on his athletic ability.  I am not optimistic about his future, nor the Grizzlies ability to compete financially with him inking that new deal.  $12.5M for the next four years could prove to be a real albatross for the team.  I really hope he proves me wrong, but history shows that his injury is usually devastating to those who rely solely on athleticism, especially for a guy already undersized at his position.

Yes you are hitting on a huge part of why i am not on the "All In" move train.    Adams/BC/ and Ja worry me greatly.   I am seriously concerned that Adams has hurt his knee similar to Lonzo Ball.  DaMichael Cole mentioned the issue is they cant stop it from swelling up after activity.   That is the reason there has been no timetable.    We all watched Ja fling himself into 4 defenders all season and get knicked up and hurt.  His frame and playstyle seems to have a strict timer on it too.   Which means we have alot of money tied up in important pieces who can't be depended on.   Word on Twitter has been that we have worked out more than a few Center prospects; which is suspicious in a draft that isn't deep with Centers.   That makes me believe that FO understands one or two of them may not fully recover.   

With all that information now spending additional $22m-$30m (OG, Grant, Cam Johnson, Hunter salaries) seems like a bad idea since depth will be pretty important.   Better off Replacing Tyus and Dillon with MLE and below type Vets and continue using draft and player development. 

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Trade everyone but Aldama and Roddy. Seriously. Too many holes to salvage this iteration of the Grizzlies. There is no nxt gen if we can’t count on Ja. 

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3 hours ago, Coubs Returns said:

Trade everyone but Aldama and Roddy. Seriously. Too many holes to salvage this iteration of the Grizzlies. There is no nxt gen if we can’t count on Ja. 

LMAO... you cannot be serious.  This past year we were in the top 5 youngest teams in the NBA and top 5 in total days missed due to injury, and we still managed to finish as the second seed in the best of the two conferences and a.... you guessed it... top 5 record in the league... and you want to blow it all up.  I can't deal with some you dramatic *** fans man.  LOL... it's just too much.  🤣🤣

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7 hours ago, kevofrommempho said:

That is why I think the most prudent course of action would be to try to trade him to a team with cap room to spare willing to take on his now bad contract for maybe a second round pick or two.

Why? It doesn't put us under the cap and doesn't change anything we can do. If you think he can't recover you use his salary with another salary to get a big piece. 
But why sell low on Clarke this year? Give him a chance to recover and see what you have. A second round pick doesn't give you anything more than what you already have, a bunch of marginal nba guys at the end of the bench

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Everybody way too doom and gloom. Even with questions you have Bane, JJJ, Tyus, Aldama, Luke, Roddy, X, Aldama, Konchar. That's probably a play in team or better right there even without Ja, Adams, Clarke, any development, any draft pick, and any free agent signing

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2 hours ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

Why? It doesn't put us under the cap and doesn't change anything we can do. If you think he can't recover you use his salary with another salary to get a big piece. 
But why sell low on Clarke this year? Give him a chance to recover and see what you have. A second round pick doesn't give you anything more than what you already have, a bunch of marginal nba guys at the end of the bench

It does put us $6 million under the cap but that isn't the point.  The point is the traded player exception that we can use at our leisure in a trade to acquire a player of higher contract value without having to match salaries. It also, if we don't use the exception, helps us stay under the luxury tax the following season when Bane's big money kicks in.

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3 hours ago, kevofrommempho said:

It does put us $6 million under the cap but that isn't the point.  The point is the traded player exception that we can use at our leisure in a trade to acquire a player of higher contract value without having to match salaries. It also, if we don't use the exception, helps us stay under the luxury tax the following season when Bane's big money kicks in.

No it doesn’t. We have $19M in cap holds and that’s assuming we renounce our rights to DB, which we won’t until he signs for another team. Also a TPE creates yet another cap hold, so not even that.

And what do you mean you don’t have to match salaries with a TPE? You can only use it to bring back the outgoing salary plus $100K. All it gives you is a year to complete a trade.

Dumping BC’s salary will give us some extra tax room in 2024-25 (we’ll be well under the tax line next season), but why? The tax line will increase in the meantime and by then we’ll know for certain how well BC has recovered from his injury.

Trading him (or using his salary in a trade) for someone who can contribute now is one thing, dumping him for salary relief is absolutely pointless.

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14 hours ago, kevofrommempho said:

It does put us $6 million under the cap but that isn't the point.  The point is the traded player exception that we can use at our leisure in a trade to acquire a player of higher contract value without having to match salaries. It also, if we don't use the exception, helps us stay under the luxury tax the following season when Bane's big money kicks in.

Even if it gives you flexibility, that’s bad business. You’d lose the trust of all the players. This isn’t 2k, these are real people. 

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20 hours ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

Everybody way too doom and gloom. Even with questions you have Bane, JJJ, Tyus, Aldama, Luke, Roddy, X, Aldama, Konchar. That's probably a play in team or better right there even without Ja, Adams, Clarke, any development, any draft pick, and any free agent signing

I agree. That team could make a play in or maybe 6th if things went our way. 

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I want Duncan Robinson at this point. The man is playing good defense and is a sniper. I need it. 

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1 hour ago, King Dork said:

I want Duncan Robinson at this point. The man is playing good defense and is a sniper. I need it. 

You have a better version: Luke Kennard.

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7 hours ago, grizzgolf said:

I agree. That team could make a play in or maybe 6th if things went our way. 

I wonder if we see even MORE parity next year.

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1 hour ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

You have a better version: Luke Kennard.

I want both

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On 5/26/2023 at 3:22 PM, Coubs Returns said:

Trade everyone but Aldama and Roddy. Seriously. Too many holes to salvage this iteration of the Grizzlies. There is no nxt gen if we can’t count on Ja. 

I don't even know how to respond to this without getting banned. 

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I wonder if they're going to bring Chandler back for Summer League.  

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12 minutes ago, Allen said:

I wonder if they're going to bring Chandler back for Summer League.  

Parsons?