Memphis Grizzlies and NBA Roster Moves

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2 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Trey Murphy would have been perfect don’t see how they messed that up so badly 

Yeah thats a big miss cause they were working him out and everything.  He was on their list. I knew he was considered "low upside" so maybe thats why they passed at 10, but Cam Johnson went 11 he had a similar profile and that worked out fine.

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1 minute ago, Dwash said:

Yeah thats a big miss cause they were working him out and everything.  He was on their list. I knew he was considered "low upside" so maybe thats why they passed at 10, but Cam Johnson went 11 he had a similar profile and that worked out fine.

I just want to see their draft board and how they ranked ZW that much higher than a lot of people that went under him. I don’t see anything special in any of ZW’s film what are people watching that shows he has potential to do more than what he already does.

people talk about his midrange but neglect to bring up his average shaky handle 

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4 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

I just want to see their draft board and how they ranked ZW that much higher than a lot of people that went under him. I don’t see anything special in any of ZW’s film what are people watching that shows he has potential to do more than what he already does.

people talk about his midrange but neglect to bring up his average shaky handle 

Yeah Im more dissappointed in his shooting regression. He shot 36% from three in the second half last year and I thought that would improve and be his value on offense.

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1 minute ago, Dwash said:

Yeah Im more dissappointed in his shooting regression. He shot 36% from three in the second half last year and I thought that would improve and be his value on offense.

But he’s never been that kind of 3pts shooter it’s just so weird cause the simple things we thought Ziaire would develop into Murphy already had coming in so that’s y I don’t see what they saw in him.

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9 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

But he’s never been that kind of 3pts shooter it’s just so weird cause the simple things we thought Ziaire would develop into Murphy already had coming in so that’s y I don’t see what they saw in him.

Yeah well Laravia is more of a Murphy type of prospect so maybe he is the answer.

Since the other 4 positions have a quality starter and a backup signed going into next year all focus should be on SF.  I would tell Brooks thanks for the memories.  Let ZW, Laravia, Roddy, and a draft pick battle it out for SF.  If you can replace Konchar with a vet SF to compete that would be wonderful as well.

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15 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Yeah well Laravia is more of a Murphy type of prospect so maybe he is the answer.

Since the other 4 positions have a quality starter and a backup signed going into next year all focus should be on SF.  I would tell Brooks thanks for the memories.  Let ZW, Laravia, Roddy, and a draft pick battle it out for SF.  If you can replace Konchar with a vet SF to compete that would be wonderful as well.

Agreed

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This many years later and the Grizz still haven’t had a better SF than Rudy Gay 

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2 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I really just need them to see what Roddy can do/and or ZW show he can play defense at SF.   Otherwise them paying and keeping Dillon is only real option. 

Ziare cant play d.

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18 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Trey Murphy would have been perfect don’t see how they messed that up so badly 

I don't get how you draft a guy who sucked in college at #10? That doesn't make any sense. Since there's no upside in bad basketball players it's an obvious player to avoid.

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So more word is coming out about the types of deals the Grizzlies were attempting to swing.

They were offering 3 1st rounders for OG and 4 first rounders for Bridges. But no players (unless it was maybe Green).

They also checked on Durant and offered essentially every 1st round pick they had available to trade. But no players. 

Some will conspiracize that "no players offered" is smoke cover for the Grizzlies trying to deal Brooks or another central piece. Maybe. I'm not so concerned about it that I have to know. 

While they didn't get any of these deals done, this could point to a big deal coming on draft night, and that they have finally seen a tipping point on the value of drafting into this roster. 

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1 minute ago, KGF said:

I don't get how you draft a guy who sucked in college at #10? That doesn't make any sense. Since there's no upside in bad basketball players it's an obvious player to avoid.

Way too many red flags on ZW coming out not to mention the Grizz had a type and they only drafted players that produced 

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3 minutes ago, The Truth is OUT said:

So more word is coming out about the types of deals the Grizzlies were attempting to swing.

They were offering 3 1st rounders for OG and 4 first rounders for Bridges. But no players (unless it was maybe Green).

They also checked on Durant and offered essentially every 1st round pick they had available to trade. But no players. 

Some will conspiracize that "no players offered" is smoke cover for the Grizzlies trying to deal Brooks or another central piece. Maybe. I'm not so concerned about it that I have to know. 

While they didn't get any of these deals done, this could point to a big deal coming on draft night, and that they have finally seen a tipping point on the value of drafting into this roster. 

Only thing they doing on draft night is trying to move up. So unless they are willing to trade BC (which might not be a bad idea since Santi is good) they don’t have that valuable player on a good deal that teams would want. Maybe Tyus too.

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8 minutes ago, The Truth is OUT said:

So more word is coming out about the types of deals the Grizzlies were attempting to swing.

They were offering 3 1st rounders for OG and 4 first rounders for Bridges. But no players (unless it was maybe Green).

They also checked on Durant and offered essentially every 1st round pick they had available to trade. But no players. 

Some will conspiracize that "no players offered" is smoke cover for the Grizzlies trying to deal Brooks or another central piece. Maybe. I'm not so concerned about it that I have to know. 

While they didn't get any of these deals done, this could point to a big deal coming on draft night, and that they have finally seen a tipping point on the value of drafting into this roster. 

You can't just trade draft picks for a $40+ million dollar player.  We would had to at least send out $35 million in salary to make a trade work to get Durant.  It doesn't have to be perfect, but the formula is 125% + $100k.  If "no players offered" was used, it just meant no players were offered of any value. Danny Green does not offer any value.  Jake LaRavia and Ziaire Williams may not have any value to other teams. To get Durant, we would have had to offer up a package like Danny, Tyus, and Dillon plus picks.  For OG, Danny & Ziaire +picks would have worked. 

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4 minutes ago, ThaGhostOfThaBeet said:

You can't just trade draft picks for a $40+ million dollar player.  We would had to at least send out $35 million in salary to make a trade work to get Durant.  It doesn't have to be perfect, but the formula is 125% + $100k.  If "no players offered" was used, it just meant no players were offered of any value. Danny Green does not offer any value.  Jake LaRavia and Ziaire Williams may not have any value to other teams. To get Durant, we would have had to offer up a package like Danny, Tyus, and Dillon plus picks.  For OG, Danny & Ziaire +picks would have worked. 

none of those would have been enough KD or OG .

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Kennard being the " big" acquisition is awful

If he was a series of smaller moves, that would've been good

If he was a smaller piece to a bigger deal, great

He alone doesn't move the needle one bit. I hope I'm wrong

Kleiman has a BAD 6 months. Looks like he's been reading his own press clippings.

 

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1 hour ago, Dwash said:

Yeah well Laravia is more of a Murphy type of prospect so maybe he is the answer.

Since the other 4 positions have a quality starter and a backup signed going into next year all focus should be on SF.  I would tell Brooks thanks for the memories.  Let ZW, Laravia, Roddy, and a draft pick battle it out for SF.  If you can replace Konchar with a vet SF to compete that would be wonderful as well.

Agreed.   hats why i was willing to settle with Marjon Beauchamp after we flamed out on Tari Eason and was happy with Vince pickup.    I don't think ppl truly appreciate how hard it is to be the "defensive stopper" that can still shoot.  How taxing that is on the body, if you have any type of size.   Those type of dudes are best if they stay a low usage role player.  Problem is as soon as they become elite 3D wing they start wanting to be Top Dawg (Kawhi, OG).    There are plenty of Herb Jones in college, but they are usually upperclassman and seen as low ceiling.    Teams don't wanna spend draft picks on them.   Which is why i really like Vince pickup.   However, i wonder if they actually try to develop defense in Southaven as much as run and chuck offense. 

38 minutes ago, TigerPawr said:

Ziare cant play d.

Yes i know - i am saying that if he could at least play D then it would be easier to develop his offense.   So even if his shot is ugly in Southaven maybe he can work on his defense. 

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https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/7/8/23200082/kevin-durant-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-devin-booker-pay-up

that's why we didnt get durant , he wanted phx . no way , no how do the nets send KD to the grizz if he wants PHX and they get a deal like they got . sorry we could have offered bane and brooks or just about anything , it wasnt gonna happen . i respect the effort , hope some youth develops , keep our 1st and keep getting in these talks like with OG and Bridges and maybe we have a enough or a team you know actually blows it up and pulls the trigger on a reasonable offer instead of wants all star returns for these guys .

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38 minutes ago, IdrinkGuinness said:

none of those would have been enough KD or OG .

And they weren't.  That's why we didn't get them.  I was just saying, those would have made the trade work, from a rules stand point, not from a willing to do it standpoint with Toronto/Brooklyn.  

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Probably the nets want it Bane for sure and we just refuse.

In the short term it sucks but in the future it doesn't.

Zw Dillon and the rest of the guys have 0 value around the league.

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5 minutes ago, ThaGhostOfThaBeet said:

And they weren't.  That's why we didn't get them.  I was just saying, those would have made the trade work, from a rules stand point, not from a willing to do it standpoint with Toronto/Brooklyn.  

gotcha , my bad 

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56 minutes ago, ThaGhostOfThaBeet said:

You can't just trade draft picks for a $40+ million dollar player.  We would had to at least send out $35 million in salary to make a trade work to get Durant.  It doesn't have to be perfect, but the formula is 125% + $100k.  If "no players offered" was used, it just meant no players were offered of any value. Danny Green does not offer any value.  Jake LaRavia and Ziaire Williams may not have any value to other teams. To get Durant, we would have had to offer up a package like Danny, Tyus, and Dillon plus picks.  For OG, Danny & Ziaire +picks would have worked. 

Dillon is really bad but I wonder is it worth signing him to like a huge one year deal just to have a contract to move?

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3 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Dillon is really bad but I wonder is it worth signing him to like a huge one year deal just to have a contract to move?

no, no 4d chess please hahaha .

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4 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Dillon is really bad but I wonder is it worth signing him to like a huge one year deal just to have a contract to move?

I believe they'll give him a 16-18m/year deal for three years. Just a guess of course, but not unreasonable. That contract, paired with Tyus, Kennard, Brandon, and other smaller contracts, are more than enough to get whoever we want. I'm confident that went into their decision making, especially w Kenard. They wanted to extend Green's contract as a trade piece, help us immediately, and somewhat appease the foaming at rhe month demanding a trade now part of the fanbase.

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17 minutes ago, srmjr23 said:

I believe they'll give him a 16-18m/year deal for three years. Just a guess of course, but not unreasonable. That contract, paired with Tyus, Kennard, Brandon, and other smaller contracts, are more than enough to get whoever we want. I'm confident that went into their decision making, especially w Kenard. They wanted to extend Green's contract as a trade piece, help us immediately, and somewhat appease the foaming at rhe month demanding a trade now part of the fanbase.

i think u are correct