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38 minutes ago, Ethan7 said:

Green, Williams, Konchar, 2023 1st to Utah for Vanderbilt, NAW, and Gay.

Rotation:

Ja/Tyus

Bane/NAW

Brooks/Vanderbilt

JJJ/Clarke/Santi

Adams

We giving up 1st rounders for bums now? Come on bro ūü§¶ūüŹĺ‚Äć‚ôāÔłŹ

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Please stop trying to make trading Tyus a thing. It's a terrible idea.

The trade for Vanderbilt + Alexander Walker was one of the more intriguing ideas I've seen. I've also felt that Brandon might be the odd man out in a trade next year, primarily because of his contract, but also he just seems to have a low BBIQ to me. I don't want to argue this point. It's just my impression and I think he could be the guy to go. Getting Vanderbilt, who I like a lot, could make BC a bit redundant to a point and allow us to comfortably trade him when he will likely have quite a bit of value.

Now....if you guys really must trade Tyus, pair him with BCs contract and you're 2/3rds of the way to a max player next year.

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10 minutes ago, King Dork said:

We giving up 1st rounders for bums now? Come on bro ūü§¶ūüŹĺ‚Äć‚ôāÔłŹ

Vanderbilt is most certainly not a bum, and you can bet other teams will be interested. I doubt a first is the price but it wouldn't shock me that much for a contending team that needs better depth at that spot to do it.

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8 hours ago, King Dork said:

Your case fell apart when you said Kennard was a good enough backup ball handler. The guy barely dribbles. I’m not opposed to moving Tyus, I actually think it’s smart to do it, but you need a combo guard back if yo move him. 
 

I still think the safe bet is going to get 2 shooters with the picks + young guys we have (Beasley + Doug McDermott) that would unlock the floor for our playmakers offensively. 
 

Ja/Tyus/Kennedy

Bane/Beasley

McDermott/Green/Aldama

Jaren/BC

Adams/Tillman

This roster would be playoff deep, and you’d only have to move probably 1 or 2 picks to make it happen at the most. 
 

That’s the kinda win now moves that need to be made. 

McDermott??  Really? Santi is a better option to start at the 3 than Dougie is an it aint even close.  Kennard is Beasley but cheaper to obtain (Ainge gonna try to fleece) and without potential character issues.    This team has zero perimeter defense which is imperative in the POs.   Unless you think Danny Green can play 40mpg and take toughest defensive assignment.   

Kennedy Chandler is fine to handle backup PG duties in regular season.   We don't need a backup in POs as long as Ja is healthy.   Id prefer Caruso over Tyus too, but i dont wanna give up first rd picks for him either.    Kennard will only cost us salary-match and 2nd rdrs and dude is an absolutely lethal shooter.   Yes he can dribble enough and Bane can play backup PG in POs.       Anfernee Simons is POR backup PG.  

Playoff lineup of Bane + Kennard+ Green + BC+ Jaren would be lethal.     Beasley isn't better than Kennard and if Tyus sees big minutes in the PO's then something went wrong.     We also need to free up a roster spot for the buyout market.  So one of our deals needs to be a 2 for 1. 

We don't need to add a bunch of shooters.  Just need to add shooters that can play in PO rotation.   So you giving up Dillon, Roddy and Jake for 31yr old  Dougie and Malik Beasley??     Real talk ceiling is much higher with Roddy+Dillon over Doug and Beas.   That's awful we will have NO defense.     TJ will be playing Ja +Tyus +Beasley + Doug lineups and teams will destroy us on D.   

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5 hours ago, King Dork said:

Nope it’s from watching him play. He’s a movement shooter, mostly comes off screens in motion to hit shots. At best from a dribbling standpoint he’s a 2 dribble pull up guy. Not at all a primary ball handler or facilitator in any way, shape or form. 
 

Would love to add him. Not for Tyus though. 

Well you havent watched enough cause he played some point guard in Detroit.  He can handle the ball off the pick and roll

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/09/25/detroit-pistons-luke-kennard/3525453001/

I wouldnt for Tyus either though.

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4 hours ago, FrenchGrizzlies said:

AS i follow the Jazz as well. i think people thinking Vando can be an upgrade to Dillon are totally wrong. He is not a good shooter, make a crazy move in defense but is just average. And his Basket IQ is not high. Bench player yes but not s starter at all.

You just described Dillon :D      In my scenario Vando would be a bench player we still keep Dillon for this PO run.  Vando would be a bench player and Dillon insurance. because he can pretty much take all the same defensive assignments that DIllon can.   Defensively, he IS what they want Ziaire to be.  Yes his offensive side needs work but he is a solid passer and dribbles okay.  I think our development staff can unlock more of him on offense.   I would use him more as a wing stopper.  

4 hours ago, 10SC-2-TOKYO said:

Am I the only poster here who remembers how important having a dependable really good backup point guard is?


 

Ja different and so is the makeup of our team.  Back when Conley was PG nobody else was allowed to dribble it up court but him.    Now we have multiple guys that can run the offense and run Point.  Santi, Bane, and Roddy were the primary playmakers for their teams in College.   We also still would have a back-up PG.   Kennedy Chandler would be fine for 10mins if we HAD to have a PG.    A wing that can shoot is more of a needle mover than a dependable backup PG to a SuperStar player. 

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9 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

A helpful rule of thumb: If you're trading for a guy who is going to be a backup or an 8th man (Vanderbilt) you're not trading for anything we need.

People need to stop discussing lateral and marginal moves. We don’t need them. We need only one *** thing - a big 3&D wing. 

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1 hour ago, srmjr23 said:

Vanderbilt is most certainly not a bum, and you can bet other teams will be interested. I doubt a first is the price but it wouldn't shock me that much for a contending team that needs better depth at that spot to do it.

Yes Vando can play.  

3 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Well you havent watched enough cause he played some point guard in Detroit.  He can handle the ball off the pick and roll

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/09/25/detroit-pistons-luke-kennard/3525453001/

I wouldnt for Tyus either though.

Why?  Kennard is locked up on deal longer than Tyus.  I fully expect Tyus to be dealt in the offseason.    If Ja goes down in the POs then we not winning it all.  So who cares who the backup PG is at that point.   

Tyus value is super-overrated by Grizz fans because ya'll still traumatized by Conley years.      We should've gotten a combo guard that's big enough to play alongside Ja and more of a shot-creator.  Tyus isnt a 3 level scorer or a POA defender.   He is just a solid PG that runs your offense and hit some shots nothing dynamic.   

Ja +Tyus lineups will always be a negative; but because Tyus is currently our 7th best player and Top 3 shooter we are forced to run those lineups.   Replacing Tyus with either a combo or real SG solves that issue.     

If Tyus (backup PG) is integral to our playoff run then team construction is totally jacked.   We need real wings that have tangible skillsets.    Kennard won't be expensive and has played on ball in both DET and LAC.   Bane and Luke can share PG duties for 2nd unit in POs.   Tyus is cool for the regular season success but we need to make moves to become a PO powerhouse.   Who is Steph backup - Jordan Poole.   Most elite teams that have money tied up in starting PGs dont have expensive traditional backups  or just use a higher paid Combo guard.  

 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/09/25/detroit-pistons-luke-kennard/3525453001/

But it’s also a testament to Kennard’s growth as a player and comfort with the ball in his hands. Wings who can both shoot and create for himself and others come at a premium in the NBA, and Kennard is capable of both. 

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20 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Ja different and so is the makeup of our team.¬† Back when Conley was PG nobody else was allowed to dribble it up court but him.¬† ¬† Now we have multiple guys that can run the offense and run Point.¬† Santi, Bane, and Roddy were the primary playmakers for their teams in College.¬† ¬†We also still would have a back-up PG.¬† ¬†Kennedy Chandler would be fineÔĽŅ for 10mins if we HAD to have a PG.¬† ¬† A wing that can shoot is more of a needle mover than a dependable backup PG to a SuperStar player.¬†

i see what youre getting at but... if that was really the case - why pay Tyus what we did when we did? 

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17 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

A helpful rule of thumb: If you're trading for a guy who is going to be a backup or an 8th man (Vanderbilt) you're not trading for anything we need.

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14 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

A helpful rule of thumb: If you're trading for a guy who is going to be a backup or an 8th man (Vanderbilt) you're not trading for anything we need.

Our Starting 5 is excellent the only moves that are imperative to make is shoring up the bench.   

3 minutes ago, russian grizzly said:

People need to stop discussing lateral and marginal moves. We don’t need them. We need only one *** thing - a big 3&D wing. 

The only potentially available Big 3D wing on the market - is OG.   He will cost a ton and every team is interested in him so no guarantee we get him. 

Moves for Kennard, NAW, Vando, Beasley may seem like lateral moves untill you take into account who they would be replacing (Jitty and Ziaire).    Pretty much every option anyone has mentioned is a substantial improvement over going into PO's with Ziaire and Jitty as primary wings.   

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Just now, GrizzTigerFan said:

Yes Vando can play.  

Why?  Kennard is locked up on deal longer than Tyus.  I fully expect Tyus to be dealt in the offseason.    If Ja goes down in the POs then we not winning it all.  So who cares who the backup PG is at that point.   

Tyus value is super-overrated by Grizz fans because ya'll still traumatized by Conley years.      We should've gotten a combo guard that's big enough to play alongside Ja and more of a shot-creator.  Tyus isnt a 3 level scorer or a POA defender.   He is just a solid PG that runs your offense and hit some shots nothing dynamic.   

Ja +Tyus lineups will always be a negative; but because Tyus is currently our 7th best player and Top 3 shooter we are forced to run those lineups.   Replacing Tyus with either a combo or real SG solves that issue.     

If Tyus (backup PG) is integral to our playoff run then team construction is totally jacked.   We need real wings that have tangible skillsets.    Kennard won't be expensive and has played on ball in both DET and LAC.   Bane and Luke can share PG duties for 2nd unit in POs.   Tyus is cool for the regular season success but we need to make moves to become a PO powerhouse.   Who is Steph backup - Jordan Poole.   Most elite teams that have money tied up in starting PGs dont have expensive traditional backups  or just use a higher paid Combo guard.  

 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/09/25/detroit-pistons-luke-kennard/3525453001/

But it’s also a testament to Kennard’s growth as a player and comfort with the ball in his hands. Wings who can both shoot and create for himself and others come at a premium in the NBA, and Kennard is capable of both. 

Tyus is an asset on the trade market because he is a borderline starter.  Kennard's similar 14 million contract has made him a liability on the trade market because his production hasnt warranted his salary.  It was a team I think the Rockets that refused to take him in an attempt to get Wall last year.  You get value for your assets not liabilities.

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12 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

The only potentially available Big 3D wing on the market - is OG.   He will cost a ton and every team is interested in him so no guarantee we get him

if this is the only rational move availible ...

then I could get behind the OG push...

it's the marginal reshuffling of potential and bench riders that I'd rather pass on.

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29 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

 

Ja different and so is the makeup of our team.  Back when Conley was PG nobody else was allowed to dribble it up court but him.    Now we have multiple guys that can run the offense and run Point.  Santi, Bane, and Roddy were the primary playmakers for their teams in College.   We also still would have a back-up PG.   Kennedy Chandler would be fine for 10mins if we HAD to have a PG.    A wing that can shoot is more of a needle mover than a dependable backup PG to a SuperStar player. 

I think our Front Office values Tyus much differently than you do.

The FO wants a backup PG who can step in and credibly start a few playoff games if Ja turns an ankle. Like the last 3 games against Golden State last May. Game 4, we lost by 3 at Golden State, great game we could have won, Tyus had 19 points, 6 boards, 5 assists and played 41 minutes. Game 5 we won by 39 - Tyus was 21, 3 and 9 in only 24 minutes because we were blowing them out. Game 6, Tyus was 7, 9 and 6 in 36 minutes.

Tyus is a life raft for when Ja misses a week at a crucial time. None of the guys you propose as a backup PG can do what Tyus does - I believe this and think our FO and coaching staff believes this too. 

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To those that are saying going after NAW and Vanderbilt is redundant: if we are going for the championship this year, would you rather have Ziaire playing minutes off the bench in the playoffs or Vanderbilt? I’m taking Vanderbilt 7 days a week. He can guard any position. Who do we have to come in and play quality defense when DB gets in foul trouble? Dude is also only 23. To go along with that, NAW or Jitty? NAW has shown some great flashes and is shooting 40% from 3. Jitty is what he is.

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Just now, The J Crew said:

I think our Front Office values Tyus much differently than you do.

The FO wants a backup PG who can step in and credibly start a few playoff games if Ja turns an ankle. Like the last 3 games against Golden State last May. Game 4, we lost by 3 at Golden State, great game we could have won, Tyus had 19 points, 6 boards, 5 assists and played 41 minutes. Game 5 we won by 39 - Tyus was 21, 3 and 9 in only 24 minutes because we were blowing them out. Game 6, Tyus was 7, 9 and 6 in 36 minutes.

Tyus is a life raft for when Ja misses a week at a crucial time. None of the guys you propose as a backup PG can do what Tyus does - I believe this and think our FO and coaching staff believes this too. 

this guy gets it 

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2 minutes ago, 10SC-2-TOKYO said:

i see what youre getting at but... if that was really the case - why pay Tyus what we did when we did? 

In order to make Tyus a tradeable asset.  If you look at our roster we don't have any filler type salaries.   Tyus (15m)   SteveO (17m) Jaren (28m)  Dillon and Danny about $10m then everything else is below $4.5m.    Hard to swing trades if we need salary without including our Top guys.   Danny is really the only salary-filler on team but FO apparently wants to keep him. 

I think FO plan was always to help Tyus get a starting gig by giving him more starts (random Ja rest days).   This strategy also helps improve his trade value.   Trading Tyus salary to a team that needs a starter means we can get more back in return.   Having Kennedy Chandler waiting in the wings means  we don't have to return a PG.   His salary is enough whereas we don't have to include multiple players, if the player we want on there team has a decent sized contract. 

Tyus is the only 2yr deal they signed SteveO and BC are locked up longer.  That is why i firmly believe Tyus wasn't gonna make it past this offseason in a Grizz uni.    There are several teams looking for a PG now.  MIA, ORL, TOR, LAC.    He is the most logical trade asset we have. 

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2 minutes ago, The J Crew said:

I think our Front Office values Tyus much differently than you do.

The FO wants a backup PG who can step in and credibly start a few playoff games if Ja turns an ankle. Like the last 3 games against Golden State last May. Game 4, we lost by 3 at Golden State, great game we could have won, Tyus had 19 points, 6 boards, 5 assists and played 41 minutes. Game 5 we won by 39 - Tyus was 21, 3 and 9 in only 24 minutes because we were blowing them out. Game 6, Tyus was 7, 9 and 6 in 36 minutes.

Tyus is a life raft for when Ja misses a week at a crucial time. None of the guys you propose as a backup PG can do what Tyus does - I believe this and think our FO and coaching staff believes this too. 

Ya'll stuck in Regular season view.   Tyus on a 2yr deal and they drafted a 3rd PG.    Draymond said the reason we won those games because they hadnt properly scouted our team without Ja.  Once they scouted Tyus they shut him down in the final game.    

Tyus value super-overinflated.   I truly believe TJ been testing out the NO backup PG lineups, so they can get ready for life without Tyus. 

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1 minute ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Ya'll stuck in Regular season view.   Tyus on a 2yr deal and they drafted a 3rd PG.    Draymond said the reason we won those games because they hadnt properly scouted our team without Ja.  Once they scouted Tyus they shut him down in the final game.    

Tyus value super-overinflated.   I truly believe TJ been testing out the NO backup PG lineups, so they can get ready for life without Tyus. 

Not stuck in the regular season, I literally gave you a playoff example and playoff rationale. Re the Kennedy thing, we drafted 4 guys and signed Kenny Lofton. Doesn't mean Kennedy is ready now or ever will be ready to be a backup PG on a playoff level team - isn't he shooting about 20% from 3 with the Hustle? And he's still 5'11". 

If you're proposing what you think, fine, that's what this board is for. But I'm pretty sure our FO disagrees. 

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I am also good with doing a Nickeil Alexander Walker + Vando move too.     Because those two are upgrades over Ziaire and Konchar.  

I'd throw them Jitty + Jake + 2nds for both of them.   Still keeping Danny Green in this scenario because we need his shooting.

Ja/Tyus/KC

Bane/NAW/Danny

Dillon/RoddyZW

Jaren/Santi/Vando

Adams/BC/Tillman

 

That gives us more playable depth.  Would just hope NAW shooting this year isnt a fluke. 

 

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12 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

In order to make Tyus a tradeable asset.  If you look at our roster we don't have any filler type salaries.   Tyus (15m)   SteveO (17m) Jaren (28m)  Dillon and Danny about $10m then everything else is below $4.5m.    Hard to swing trades if we need salary without including our Top guys.   Danny is really the only salary-filler on team but FO apparently wants to keep him. 

I think FO plan was always to help Tyus get a starting gig by giving him more starts (random Ja rest days).   This strategy also helps improve his trade value.   Trading Tyus salary to a team that needs a starter means we can get more back in return.   Having Kennedy Chandler waiting in the wings means  we don't have to return a PG.   His salary is enough whereas we don't have to include multiple players, if the player we want on there team has a decent sized contract. 

Tyus is the only 2yr deal they signed SteveO and BC are locked up longer.  That is why i firmly believe Tyus wasn't gonna make it past this offseason in a Grizz uni.    There are several teams looking for a PG now.  MIA, ORL, TOR, LAC.    He is the most logical trade asset we have. 

Adams extension was also 2 years.

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Just now, The J Crew said:

Adams extension was also 2 years.

Adams doesnt become UFA till 25-26 because it was an 2yr extension.   Tyus is UFA in 24-25 because it was a 2yr deal.   

Did you read the rest in regards to Tyus being used as trade asset?     Tyus isn't leading us to a championship.  If he plays a lot of minutes then that means our wings suck badly or Ja went down.    Its a wrap at that point.  

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3 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Adams doesnt become UFA till 25-26 because it was an 2yr extension.   Tyus is UFA in 24-25 because it was a 2yr deal.   

Did you read the rest in regards to Tyus being used as trade asset?     Tyus isn't leading us to a championship.  If he plays a lot of minutes then that means our wings suck badly or Ja went down.    Its a wrap at that point.  

Re 2 year deal vs. 2 year extension, you're really splitting hairs now, no? 

And yes, re alledgedly Tyus being set up as a trade asset,  you've said that several times. I see no evidence that Tyus is any more being set up as a trade asset than any other non Big 3 player. You want to trade Tyus, so you are seeing things that the FO doesn't see, imo. 

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