Memphis Grizzlies and NBA Roster Moves

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The Grizz OP I've copied and pasted here:

Memphis Grizzlies

Front-office discussions: Is there enough belief that the current roster can be more than just a play-in team? Who is expendable if not, or do we play the waiting game again until the offseason? Should we look to move off the expiring contract of Kyle Anderson? Are Utah and the Lakers' first-round first in play for the right deal?

Off the board: Ja Morant ($9.6M, RFA 2023) and Jaren Jackson ($9.2M, UFA 2026).

• Jackson has a poison-pill restriction in his contract.

Value contracts: De'Anthony Melton ($8.8M, UFA 2024) and Dillon Brooks ($12.2M, UFA 2023).

• Melton has $1.5 million guaranteed in 2023-24.

Free agents in July: Tyus Jones ($8.4M), Jarrett Culver ($6.4M), Kyle Anderson ($9.9M) and Sam Merrill ($1.5M, RFA).

Controllable contracts: Ziaire Williams ($4.4M, RFA 2025), Brandon Clarke ($2.7M, RFA 2023), John Konchar ($2.2M, Team 2024), Desmond Bane ($2M, RFA 2023), Santi Aldama ($1.9M, RFA 2025) and Xavier Tillman ($1.5M, Team 2024).

Long-term salary: Steven Adams ($17.1M, UFA 2023).

Draft capital: The Grizzlies control all their future first-round picks. Memphis has a first-round pick from Utah that is top-six protected in 2022, top-three protected in 2023 and top-one protected in 2024. The Grizzlies also have a 2022 first-round pick from the Lakers that is top-10 protected (New Orleans will retain it if it falls in the top 10). Memphis also has a first-round pick from the Warriors that is top-four protected in 2024, top-one protected in 2025 and unprotected in 2026.

The finances: The Grizzlies are slightly above the salary cap and well positioned below the tax threshold to take back salary this season. They could have close to $25 million in room next offseason but at the expense of free agents Tyus Jones and Kyle Anderson.

[Crizzle 0]

what is a poison pill restriction?

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18 minutes ago, Crizzle said:

what is a poison pill restriction?

It pretty much makes it so you can't trade a guy that has just signed an rookie extension like a Jaren has. 

"For salary-matching purposes, if a player is traded between the time his rookie contract is extended and the following July 1 (when that extension takes effect), the player’s incoming value for the receiving team is the average of his current-year salary and the annual salary in each year of his extension. His current team, on the other hand, simply treats his current-year salary as the outgoing figure for matching purposes."

[fanboyslim 0]

21 minutes ago, Crizzle said:

what is a poison pill restriction?

Larry Coon to the rescue:

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91. What is the Poison Pill Provision?

"Poison Pill" isn't a defined term in the CBA, but there are a couple situations that are commonly referred to as a poison pill -- meaning a contract clause that creates a potential difficulty because the cap accounting can vary from the norm.

The first is when a team extends a first round draft pick's rookie scale contract (see question number 58) and then trades the player between the date the extension is signed and the date it takes effect. When this happens, the player's trade value for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the rookie scale contract and each year of the extension. The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their total outgoing salary, and uses the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary¹.

For example, if a player on the last year of his rookie scale contract earns $5 million in 2018-19, and his contract is extended for four seasons starting at $10 million, with 5% raises, then his salary in each season will be:

Season	Salary
2018-19	$5,000,000
2019-20	$10,000,000
2020-21	$10,500,000
2021-22	$11,000,000
2022-23	$11,500,000

If this player is traded during the 2018-19 season, then his outgoing salary from the sending team's perspective is his actual salary -- $5 million. But the player's incoming salary from the receiving team's perspective is $9.6 million -- the average of all five seasons. Such a player would be very difficult to trade -- a legal trade can only be accomplished if both teams add additional salary to the transaction, or if they include a third team that is able to absorb excess salary.

The Gilbert Arenas provision (see question number 43) also has been described as containing a poison pill. This is in reference to the third season of contracts signed according to this provision, which can contain substantially higher salaries than the first two seasons. Houston used this provision to its advantage when signing Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik in 2012. However, the impact of this poison pill was reduced in the 2017 CBA, when matching teams were given the ability to choose whether the actual or average salary counted toward their team salary.

 

[My man Allen 0]

How about Clarke and Culver for Montrezl Harrell and a second round pick?

[srmjr23 0]

17 minutes ago, My man Allen said:

How about Clarke and Culver for Montrezl Harrell and a second round pick?

Wat

[fanboyslim 0]

4 minutes ago, srmjr23 said:

Wat

I think we’re playing basketball mad libs

[BigHunkALove 0]

Tyus - I am on the under that he gets traded at the deadline (i.e. less likely than 50/50). I think the FO tries to work a new deal where he gets the same money, but maybe with a player option on the 2nd year. If not, I think the Grizzlies keep him for the playoffs, and then just let him expire. If this happens, one player to keep an eye on might be Dennis Schroeder. He's on a cheaper deal at Boston than Tyus is here, he is expiring, and he had a good association with Grizz assistant coach Darko Rajakovic @ OKC, who also had a good association with Steven Adams, who is now here.

Kyle - I am on the over that he gets traded, if there is a good deal out there for a player who can come in and make an impact. I don't think the move will be made for picks alone, and I think the FO will be wary about taking on new longer term salary, with Ja, Dillon, and Des coming up for extensions. I think the FO wants to keep all 3 of them, unless and offer comes up that they can't refuse.

DeAnthony - I am on the under, but who knows what offers could be made.

Brandon - I am on the over, I think the Grizz might be starting to worry about his durability, and regular injuries. It'll be either him or Tillman in a package.

The Konch - Under. We need "low maintenance", small $$ contacts on the roster with guys who can contribute in some way. He is one of them.

Adams - Under. I think it was Darko who spoke to the coaching and FO about swapping JV out, and Adams does exactly what is needed without getting in the way or taking shots away from the NXT GEN CORE4.

ZW - under, but I think we've drafted a bust here. We'll wait and see.

Culver and all the rest, could be packaged as filler in a bigger deal for one of the others, and wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

 

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

23 minutes ago, BigHunkALove said:

Tyus - I am on the under that he gets traded at the deadline (i.e. less likely than 50/50). I think the FO tries to work a new deal where he gets the same money, but maybe with a player option on the 2nd year. If not, I think the Grizzlies keep him for the playoffs, and then just let him expire. If this happens, one player to keep an eye on might be Dennis Schroeder. He's on a cheaper deal at Boston than Tyus is here, he is expiring, and he had a good association with Grizz assistant coach Darko Rajakovic @ OKC, who also had a good association with Steven Adams, who is now here.

Kyle - I am on the over that he gets traded, if there is a good deal out there for a player who can come in and make an impact. I don't think the move will be made for picks alone, and I think the FO will be wary about taking on new longer term salary, with Ja, Dillon, and Des coming up for extensions. I think the FO wants to keep all 3 of them, unless and offer comes up that they can't refuse.

DeAnthony - I am on the under, but who knows what offers could be made.

Brandon - I am on the over, I think the Grizz might be starting to worry about his durability, and regular injuries. It'll be either him or Tillman in a package.

The Konch - Under. We need "low maintenance", small $$ contacts on the roster with guys who can contribute in some way. He is one of them.

Adams - Under. I think it was Darko who spoke to the coaching and FO about swapping JV out, and Adams does exactly what is needed without getting in the way or taking shots away from the NXT GEN CORE4.

ZW - under, but I think we've drafted a bust here. We'll wait and see.

Culver and all the rest, could be packaged as filler in a bigger deal for one of the others, and wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

 

Agree with everything except i don't see Tyus staying unless he likes playing 12mpg.   Thibs is in NYC and they need a steady PG since kemba is a bust.  I can see Tyus going East and getting more PT. 

I think alot ppl are underestimating the fact that FO/Coaching staff are developing multiple ballhandling wings.  Bane, Konchar, Melton, Merrill, and Culver can all hold down the fort when it comes to backup PG duties.   Which also makes Kyle more valuable to keep. 

Brandons injuries + kyle (adjusting to bench role) may spell the end of both Tyus and BC's tenures here.  

They have been able to run out Melt Konchar Kyle Tillman + (Bane or Dillon) second units.  That's devastating defensively and no coincidence they have been able to turn around games lately.     

So based on this run we are going on now -- i personally value Kyle over Tyus and can see FO feeling the same way. 

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48 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Agree with everything except i don't see Tyus staying unless he likes playing 12mpg.   Thibs is in NYC and they need a steady PG since kemba is a bust.  I can see Tyus going East and getting more PT. 

I think alot ppl are underestimating the fact that FO/Coaching staff are developing multiple ballhandling wings.  Bane, Konchar, Melton, Merrill, and Culver can all hold down the fort when it comes to backup PG duties.   Which also makes Kyle more valuable to keep. 

Brandons injuries + kyle (adjusting to bench role) may spell the end of both Tyus and BC's tenures here.  

They have been able to run out Melt Konchar Kyle Tillman + (Bane or Dillon) second units.  That's devastating defensively and no coincidence they have been able to turn around games lately.     

So based on this run we are going on now -- i personally value Kyle over Tyus and can see FO feeling the same way. 

I can see the logic in this too.

So, if Tyus is likely to get same or more $$$ and/or PT with another team, is Kyle, in your view, likely to get the same or bigger offer elsewhere, or does he stay for less money?

One another note, I remember the criticism Michael Jordan got not keeping Kemba, mane he really has turned out to be a bust. The only thing Michael did wrong there was not trading him at that deadline, and just letting him walk, but it ended up being a smart play not giving Kemba a max or supermax contract

[ALT GRIND 0]

Wonder if it ticks off our FO that their “flashy” picks haven’t really been a part of this epic run (Ja/BC/ZW8).

[ALT GRIND 0]

If we don’t resign Tyus then who do we resign.  One website had Player Options for Corey Joseph, Kendrick Nunn and Louis Williams each at 5 million bucks for next season.  No way I am paying that much.  Patty Mills’ PO is for $6 million.  
 

Keep Tyus.  Keep Kyle.  Don’t resign Merrill/Culver.  

[GrizzTigerFan 0]

1 hour ago, BigHunkALove said:

I can see the logic in this too.

So, if Tyus is likely to get same or more $$$ and/or PT with another team, is Kyle, in your view, likely to get the same or bigger offer elsewhere, or does he stay for less money?

One another note, I remember the criticism Michael Jordan got not keeping Kemba, mane he really has turned out to be a bust. The only thing Michael did wrong there was not trading him at that deadline, and just letting him walk, but it ended up being a smart play not giving Kemba a max or supermax contract

I see Tyus going somewhere else for more money and PT.  Leading a team to this record is a pretty good audition for the next gig.  

Kyle should have suitors - only reason why he wouldn't would be if he flames out in Playoffs again.    But i do think him showing how effective he can be off the bench makes him even more attractive.   Plus another year of being decent from 3 helps too.    I only see him staying if he has a definitive role - meaning he is primary backup PF.    Which complicates things because they will want bigger roles for Santi and potentially Tillie and already have Tillman and BC locked up.   Santi comes closest to being able to replicate what Kyle brings offensively.  Opening up development minutes will be tough if Jaren remains a 4 primarily. 

 

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17 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I see Tyus going somewhere else for more money and PT.  Leading a team to this record is a pretty good audition for the next gig.  

Kyle should have suitors - only reason why he wouldn't would be if he flames out in Playoffs again.    But i do think him showing how effective he can be off the bench makes him even more attractive.   Plus another year of being decent from 3 helps too.    I only see him staying if he has a definitive role - meaning he is primary backup PF.    Which complicates things because they will want bigger roles for Santi and potentially Tillie and already have Tillman and BC locked up.   Santi comes closest to being able to replicate what Kyle brings offensively.  Opening up development minutes will be tough if Jaren remains a 4 primarily. 

 

His shoulder injury and that hitch in his shot could definitely scare some folks away. 

[grizzgolf 0]

We another set up pretty good this off season to add another role-playing peace 

[Crizzle 0]

Im  curious   about how moving jaren to the 5 and slowmo sliding into PF would  look. Not saying i expect it to happen this season, but i would love to experiment with it if we do resign kyle

[russian grizzly 0]

Apparently, we are really competing this season. Thus, it would be reasonable to just ignore the trade deadline. 

[ThaGhostOfThaBeet 0]

16 minutes ago, russian grizzly said:

Apparently, we are really competing this season. Thus, it would be reasonable to just ignore the trade deadline. 

We’ve got some tougher games coming up - Warriors, Suns, Clippers, Cavs. That should tell us more. But yes, it’s possible we could be in 3rd place soon. If we are playing so well, why not keep the gang together and see what we can do in the post season?

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6 hours ago, ThaGhostOfThaBeet said:

We’ve got some tougher games coming up - Warriors, Suns, Clippers, Cavs. That should tell us more. But yes, it’s possible we could be in 3rd place soon. If we are playing so well, why not keep the gang together and see what we can do in the post season?

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22 hours ago, ThaGhostOfThaBeet said:

His shoulder injury and that hitch in his shot could definitely scare some folks away. 

the hitch is real ... tonight it was BLATANTLY obvious ... obvious and ugly 

[BigHunkALove 0]

I am for trading a package of Kyle+Brandon+Tille

I'd like to see Culver move into the regular rotation, but since Jenkins doesn't want him, add him to the above package.

Add a 1st or 2 and we should be able to get something.

I admit, scanning through the lists, nothing immediately pops up, but this FO is good at finding someone below the surface

[chipc3 0]

11 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

I am for trading a package of Kyle+Brandon+Tille

I'd like to see Culver move into the regular rotation, but since Jenkins doesn't want him, add him to the above package.

Add a 1st or 2 and we should be able to get something.

I admit, scanning through the lists, nothing immediately pops up, but this FO is good at finding someone below the surface

Are you doing this in your fantasy league or taking over Kleiman's job because sitting 4th in the West this year isn't good enough? 

[BigHunkALove 0]

3 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Are you doing this in your fantasy league or taking over Kleiman's job because sitting 4th in the West this year isn't good enough? 

The ultimate goal is to win the championship.

If that isn't the goal, then Kleiman & Co wouldn't be doing their job, which I'm pretty certain they are, and I have acknowledged this above, about finding talent.

I thought in the past you were opposed to letting players simply drop off the books when their contract expires. Have you changed your mindset on this because we are 4th in the WC......at the moment?

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40 minutes ago, BigHunkALove said:

The ultimate goal is to win the championship.

If that isn't the goal, then Kleiman & Co wouldn't be doing their job, which I'm pretty certain they are, and I have acknowledged this above, about finding talent.

I thought in the past you were opposed to letting players simply drop off the books when their contract expires. Have you changed your mindset on this because we are 4th in the WC......at the moment?

Not at all. I am very much opposed to taking on bad contracts to lose good players however. Anderson is not making a lot of money. Clarke is on a rookie deal (and not expiring), Tillie is a 2 way player. The only contract I'd like to see dealt would be Culver and what can we get for the former lottery pick who won't be commanding a ton of interest right now. 

So if we combine all those salaries what are we talking about in total dollars? Around $20 million. Of that $20 million only Kyle's $9,937,000 is set to expire and I believe that we can resign him for less. He is a glue guy after all not a star. He makes around the MLE so what team is going to offer him more than Memphis at around the $10 million a year mark? That's slightly higher than the MLE for next season. 

Tyus Jones is also an expiring contract. Are you not including him in the players the team has to dump by the trade deadline? How much do we want this season to be sacrificed to prepare for the future? 

The ridiculous comment about the ultimate goal I will ignore. There is nothing the team can do right now to win a championship. Personally, I disagree with a tremendous amount of turnover on a young team just developing.  I can see Kyle, Carke and Tyus all being valuable bench players on a championship caliber team. Culver's salary will be replaced by new draft picks this summer. The can grow and develop with the talent they have on the books. 

Besides, they can always do a sign and trade if they want this summer to help facilitate a trade. 

 

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37 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Not at all. I am very much opposed to taking on bad contracts to lose good players however. Anderson is not making a lot of money. Clarke is on a rookie deal (and not expiring), Tillie is a 2 way player. The only contract I'd like to see dealt would be Culver and what can we get for the former lottery pick who won't be commanding a ton of interest right now. 

So if we combine all those salaries what are we talking about in total dollars? Around $20 million. Of that $20 million only Kyle's $9,937,000 is set to expire and I believe that we can resign him for less. He is a glue guy after all not a star. He makes around the MLE so what team is going to offer him more than Memphis at around the $10 million a year mark? That's slightly higher than the MLE for next season. 

Tyus Jones is also an expiring contract. Are you not including him in the players the team has to dump by the trade deadline? How much do we want this season to be sacrificed to prepare for the future? 

The ridiculous comment about the ultimate goal I will ignore. There is nothing the team can do right now to win a championship. Personally, I disagree with a tremendous amount of turnover on a young team just developing.  I can see Kyle, Carke and Tyus all being valuable bench players on a championship caliber team. Culver's salary will be replaced by new draft picks this summer. The can grow and develop with the talent they have on the books. 

Besides, they can always do a sign and trade if they want this summer to help facilitate a trade. 

 

I haven't included Tyus because my personal hope is that he will stay on beyond this season, and if he doesn't, it would be disruptive to get someone new, at a crucial position, and run the team from Feb onwards. 

If you believe we can sign Kyle for less, great, because I wouldn't be wanting to pay him more.

You make it sound like any consideration for replacement will only have a negative, worse effect. Did replacing JV with Adams make us worse? 

I really like Clarke and what he brings, however, he can't bring anything being a cheerleader for half of every season. I doubt this is being ignored by the FO, and while I don't have in depth knowledge of his current medical situation and history of, there will come a time where if he can not get regularly on the court, that is going to affect his future here.

The starting line up is pretty much set now, but I'm pretty certain that the FO aren't putting their feet up on their desks with their hands on the heads just waiting. They will be looking and searching and considering improvements to be made.

If no moves are made by the deadline, I'm cool with that. But I would be ok if they were made, and I'm just offering up options of who could be made available for the right deal.