Impressed by Adams (sometimes)

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Just now, GrizzTigerFan said:

No that is not what i am saying.   Jaren's role when he is out there with Adams is to be a floor spacer.   When he is the 5 he sets more screens/picks and gets more opportunities/passes inside.      I am not focused on his rebounding (we can still team rebound).  I am talking about him getting better synergy with Ja and doing more on offense other than chucking 3s.  

Jaren playin soft for sure and his lack of rebounding and aggressiveness overall is on him.  However, Coaches job is to maximize their best players so TJ needs to make it easier for him too. 

Maybe it would be easier to pair Kyle with Ja and let Jaren come off the bench as a go to scorer for the second unit... 

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1 minute ago, chipc3 said:

Maybe it would be easier to pair Kyle with Ja and let Jaren come off the bench as a go to scorer for the second unit... 

you forgot sarcasm font. 

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Just now, GrizzTigerFan said:

you forgot sarcasm font. 

Did I...??

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3 hours ago, The J Crew said:

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

Not gonna get dragged into another JJJ debate on a Monday morning.

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

Maybe it would be easier to pair Kyle with Ja and let Jaren come off the bench as a go to scorer for the second unit... 

Ideally Jaren is the perfect player to play next to Adams as a stretch 4 it’s just that his shots aren’t falling and he offeres very little aside from shooting threes right now. 
 

If Jaren could just shoot threes be an effective rebounder and defend he would be fine. He’s not a consistent enough shooter from distancing tho and he doesn’t have another way of scoring the ball effectively when that happens.

Look how these young Pfs play

Rui Hachimura

 

John Collins

AD

 

Evan Mobley 

JJJ

I picked Jaren’s best game on purpose cause there is one glaring omission from his game that all the other videos had in common and that’s why when he’s in a shooting slump he looks useless on the court.

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4 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Ideally Jaren is the perfect player to play next to Adams as a stretch 4 it’s just that his shots aren’t falling and he offeres very little aside from shooting threes right now. 
 

If Jaren could just shoot threes be an effective rebounder and defend he would be fine. He’s not a consistent enough shooter from distancing tho and he doesn’t have another way of scoring the ball effectively when that happens.

The quote from me was in response to GTF's suggestion that JJJ would be best used as a pick and roll center rather than a PF who can't rebound, has no interior game and still commits silly fouls. Somehow GTF believes that moving JJJ to starting center would cure these ills. I suggested moving JJJ to bench would be a better solution since he hasn't shown any ability to operate in Jenkins offense with Ja, Mellon and Bane. 

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19 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

The quote from me was in response to GTF's suggestion that JJJ would be best used as a pick and roll center rather than a PF who can't rebound, has no interior game and still commits silly fouls. Somehow GTF believes that moving JJJ to starting center would cure these ills. I suggested moving JJJ to bench would be a better solution since he hasn't shown any ability to operate in Jenkins offense with Ja, Mellon and Bane. 

I think off the bench or starting center he’s going to have  the same problem just by looking at his game offensively he’s not a big. Defensively he plays more like a big but he still lacks the aggression needed to be a good rebounder and his shot blocking is more about his length than any other attribute. 
 

I think GTF just wants to maximize what Jaren can do vs focusing on developing what he can’t do, but to me that just makes him a role player not worth all this attention. Since Jaren isn’t portrayed as a role player he gets criticized as a star who is playing up to standard.
 

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1 minute ago, Ndq0327 said:

I think off the bench or starting center he’s going to have  the same problem just by looking at his game offensively he’s not a big. Defensively he plays more like a big but he still lacks the aggression needed to be a good rebounder and his shot blocking is more about his length than any other attribute. 
 

I think GTF just wants to maximize what Jaren can do vs focusing on developing what he can’t do, but to me that just makes him a role player not worth all this attention. Since Jaren isn’t portrayed as a role player he gets criticized as a star who is playing up to standard.

I have been saying for years that Jaren isn't a star. he has the physical talent and training to be one but his work ethic has been a concern of mine for years and he doesn't appear to have the killer instinct needed either. 

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Just now, chipc3 said:

I have been saying for years that Jaren isn't a star. 

I don’t think he is either but they are still pushing the narrative that the team can reach another level when he reaches his potential but I honestly think he’s close to maxed out and no one wants to accept it. Ja and Dillon (hopefully) are the Batman and Robin of the team with Bane being the next guy up, I guess Jaren and Melton can go back and forth with who’s the best of the role players. But I think that’s his position on the team is not a main guy, but a valuable role player. If the team makes a deal for a star closer to Ja’s level then I don’t think people would care what Jaren does at all, (outside of costing the team wins).

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19 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

I think GTF just wants to maximize what Jaren can do vs focusing on developing what he can’t do, but to me that just makes him a role player not worth all this attention. Since Jaren isn’t portrayed as a role player he gets criticized as a star who is playing up to standard.

Yep that was my point.   @chipc3 is pretending like we haven't seen Jaren logging minutes at the 5 already.   Defensively they have majority of the time looked better with him at the 5 than 4.    Jaren does more PNRoll actions when he is the 5 vs the 4, which is the best way to get him involved in offense besides spotting up on perimeter.     

My suggestion didn't fall out of the sky - we have 3 years worth of data with Jaren at the 5.   They typically close with him at the spot for a reason.   

Let's be real about his skillset for a minute.   Jaren's playstyle doesn't give him much of a mismatch advantage when he is playing the 4.   Because all he does is shoot3s or try to take guys off the bounce into a spin move.   Most 3/4s can easily defend those moves.  Maybe if he had a post game he could back the smaller guys down and score on them - but he dont.  

  However, when matched up against 5s his 3pt shooting takes them from the paint AND he is quicker than most of them off the bounce to get to the rim.    Am i the only one that sees this?    Im not because those factors are the reason why FO wanted to develop him into a 5 in the first place.  

 

 

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40 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Yep that was my point.   @chipc3 is pretending like we haven't seen Jaren logging minutes at the 5 already.   Defensively they have majority of the time looked better with him at the 5 than 4.    Jaren does more PNRoll actions when he is the 5 vs the 4, which is the best way to get him involved in offense besides spotting up on perimeter.     

My suggestion didn't fall out of the sky - we have 3 years worth of data with Jaren at the 5.   They typically close with him at the spot for a reason.   

Let's be real about his skillset for a minute.   Jaren's playstyle doesn't give him much of a mismatch advantage when he is playing the 4.   Because all he does is shoot3s or try to take guys off the bounce into a spin move.   Most 3/4s can easily defend those moves.  Maybe if he had a post game he could back the smaller guys down and score on them - but he dont.  

  However, when matched up against 5s his 3pt shooting takes them from the paint AND he is quicker than most of them off the bounce to get to the rim.    Am i the only one that sees this?    Im not because those factors are the reason why FO wanted to develop him into a 5 in the first place.  

 

 

He does have the advantage against fives but we lose in the strength and rebounding department cause you have to pair him with either Clark or Kyle neither of whom are big rebounders along with Jaren. So if Jaren at the 5 is the future then the team needs to find one of those JYD dirty work 4’s to pair with him. Pretty much acknowledging that Jaren’s needs a crutch no matter which position he’s at.

 

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@Ndq0327 I am team Rui all day

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2 hours ago, Ndq0327 said:

I don’t think he is either but they are still pushing the narrative that the team can reach another level when he reaches his potential but I honestly think he’s close to maxed out and no one wants to accept it. Ja and Dillon (hopefully) are the Batman and Robin of the team with Bane being the next guy up, I guess Jaren and Melton can go back and forth with who’s the best of the role players. But I think that’s his position on the team is not a main guy, but a valuable role player. If the team makes a deal for a star closer to Ja’s level then I don’t think people would care what Jaren does at all, (outside of costing the team wins).

I know I’m going to be known as the resident get jjj outahere guy, but if the above turns out right, then the fo needs to move jjj. not wise for a small market to pay that kind of money to role players. 
 

slim. 

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1 hour ago, memphis slim said:

I know I’m going to be known as the resident get jjj outahere guy, but if the above turns out right, then the fo needs to move jjj. not wise for a small market to pay that kind of money to role players. 
 

slim. 

I mean Gary Parrish said on his show today that if you think Jaren needs to stop shooting so many threes that respectfully you didn’t know what you were talking about. Now by no means do I think Parrish is some basketball savant but what he said was true. Jaren taking all those threes is good for Ja cause it opens up the lane. 
 

Eventho Gary was trying to take a jab at Jaren critics he really made Jaren sound like a role player cause any floor spacing 4 can stand on the perimeter and draw the defense so Ja can have more space to operate that’s not something only Jaren can do. The only saving grace Jaren has is that he’s the only floor spacing big on the roster in the rotation  if Tille or Santi were better and were in the rotation they would draw the same attention and therefore be beneficial to Ja attacking the rim.

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58 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

I mean Gary Parrish said on his show today that if you think Jaren needs to stop shooting so many threes that respectfully you didn’t know what you were talking about. Now by no means do I think Parrish is some basketball savant but what he said was true. Jaren taking all those threes is good for Ja cause it opens up the lane. 
 

Haven't heard Gary Parrish's voice in years, thank goodness. Imagine listening to that dweeb tell anybody anything about hoops. 

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15 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Keep in mind that Kyle and DB started majority of the games last season. They are our two best defensive players.    Also Ja is playing more minutes than ever and he is a our worst defender.     When TJ played our better defender lineup (Melt, Tyus, Tillman, Kyle, ZW) the were much more effective.   

I agree with others that Adams defense has been mostly meh but his rebounding has been on par with JV's.   The idea was that his not needing touches on offense will help the offensive flow.     But since we don't have a real offensive scheme it hasn't quite materialized as a positive yet.    Our defense as a whole has been trash outside of when TJ plays a bunch of switchable players.   So i am not pegging our defensive woes on Adams either.    His acquisition is supposed to be just to be more training wheels for Jaren.      However,  If we keep sucking like this then we may need to go ahead and make the switch to JJJ to the 5 and bring Adams off the bench.  

Yes you made a point about starter. I do not think Bringing Adams off the bench will make the team improve. Unless JJJ improve a lot at rebound which is not done yet...  

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Surprised Bones didn’t get broken with that vicious screen

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4 minutes ago, Subliminal said:

Surprised Bones didn’t get broken with that vicious screen

That was nasty everybody stop for a couple of seconds wondering if that was a foul or if he was injured.

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One thing about Adams that he really needs to clean up is being willing to challenge his guy out at the 3 pt line.  I've seen several cases where he just wanders off when someone is setting up to shoot.  Too many folks are willing and able to shoot the three now and he is going to have to drag his big *** out there and challenge them consistently.

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16 hours ago, Ndq0327 said:

He does have the advantage against fives but we lose in the strength and rebounding department cause you have to pair him with either Clark or Kyle neither of whom are big rebounders along with Jaren. So if Jaren at the 5 is the future then the team needs to find one of those JYD dirty work 4’s to pair with him. Pretty much acknowledging that Jaren’s needs a crutch no matter which position he’s at.

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6 points in 31 minutes last night.   Not impressive.

Yes, he was going up against Jokic who is large.  But still.

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5 minutes ago, bhoyal said:

6 points in 31 minutes last night.   Not impressive.

Yes, he was going up against Jokic who is large.  But still.

Adams acquisition wasn't about his scoring.   It was solely about rebounding and defending the behemoths and complimenting Jaren.   That's how he should be evaluated.    I would give him a B- so far.  

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12 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Adams acquisition wasn't about his scoring.   It was solely about rebounding and defending the behemoths and complimenting Jaren.   That's how he should be evaluated.    I would give him a B- so far.  

His rebounding has been solid; I don't believe the actual RPG stat accurately portrays his impact in that aspect of the game, as I see him tip quite a number of balls to teammates. His on/off rebounding % is +4%, which is nice.

His defense has been about what I expected; still struggles on the pick and roll, though some of that is on the scheme Jenkins likes to run as well as Ja's own shortcomings.

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17 hours ago, bhoyal said:

6 points in 31 minutes last night.   Not impressive.

Yes, he was going up against Jokic who is large.  But still.

Thats about normal if you ask me 

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On 11/2/2021 at 3:30 AM, chipc3 said:

I have been saying for years that Jaren isn't a star. he has the physical talent and training to be one but his work ethic has been a concern of mine for years and he doesn't appear to have the killer instinct needed either. 

You say it all. He got the talent for sure, but seems not to work hard enough on his weak point. When you see how Ja improved in 2 seasons and you compare to JJJ, you start to cry......