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Interesting CP3 Quote about "Mid-range game"

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4 hours ago, costarica2 said:

Bigs are not back.

Almost all the non mobile bigs have been eliminated so far because they can't keep up on defense.

Including our guy who got embarrassed in the first round.

Ayton, Embiid, and Gobert are still in it.  As is Clint Capela.  KD is stretchy and can shoot.  Giannis is stretchy and cannot.  Nets need rim protection.  They might lose.  
 

 

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19 hours ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

I was kind of sorted with you up to this point. You really believe in your heart of hearts that the Jazz are not "that much better than the Grizz talentwise"? Really? You truthfully and honestly believe that a #9 seed has pretty much the same talent level as the overall #1 seed that had the best record in the NBA despite missing Mitchell for several games? We don't have anyone close to Mitchell's talent level on our team. then you add in Gobert who is a 3x DPoY and multiple All-NBA Defense first team, we have no one close to anyone like that. So those are 2 players who are much better than anyone we have right now. Statswise Ja may have better stats than Conley but Conley is a much smarter and savvier player than Ja. So at best, we're kind of even right there. The Jazz are one of the best shooting teams in the league with Ingles and Bogdonavic. Jordan Clarkson is much better than anyone we can bring off of our bench. How are they not that much better? They are a very complete team. No, they don't have a LeBron or KD, but they are a very complete team from top to bottom. Something we are not.

+1. comparing Utah with our team does not make sense. They are 3 level up. 3 All Star, Gobert 3 tinmes Best defender of the year, Mike still 2 level up of Ja in terms of passing in momey time, defense, Mitchell,... 3 or 4 real 3 points shooters.... we need at least 2 more good players + ja improve a bit on defense + JJJ improve a lot, then we can compete.....still a lot of work to do...

 

Refer to the topic, the quote of CP make a lot of sense....oh god i could never imagine i will agree one day with CP, one of the player i hate the  most...

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Uber-talented veterans like Chris Paul will always be able to use strategies other players can't.  Last thing we need is for Dillon Brooks to start shooting mid-range pull-up jumpers all the time.

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6 hours ago, kevofrommempho said:

Uber-talented veterans like Chris Paul will always be able to use strategies other players can't.  Last thing we need is for Dillon Brooks to start shooting mid-range pull-up jumpers all the time.

I read it differently.

To me it means that CP3 has never been a natural born athlete. He is as below the rim as they come. And he , to me, has had to constantly shape his game to stay relevant. As much as I dislike his Clipper days - I can't hate. He is still out there making regular roster fodder look good.

Dillon doesn't have CP3's experience yet so I'd agree that he can't BE CP3 ... BUT like CP3 he CAN take a look at his game and find areas to focus on to allow him to add more tools to his belt - every year.

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17 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

Ayton, Embiid, and Gobert are still in it.  As is Clint Capela.  KD is stretchy and can shoot.  Giannis is stretchy and cannot.  Nets need rim protection.  They might lose.  
 

 

Non mobile bigs, all of those guys are pretty mobile or very mobile. The ones that got eliminated: JV, Nurkic, Jokic, arguably Drummond (he's at least just bad on defense). 

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3 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

Anyone watching the Jazz-Clippers series? If so, what are the Clips doing on D that is holding the Jazz to under 120 pts/gm? 

Injuring Mike Conley and Donovan MItchell.

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14 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

Anyone watching the Jazz-Clippers series? If so, what are the Clips doing on D that is holding the Jazz to under 120 pts/gm? 

SMALL BALL!!!!! Ibaka is one of the best at the pick and roll Defense but even when he is not playing they are using Morris at the 5.

Gobert/Favors just don't  have the inside game to post up the smaller players like Morris or even Batum.

Both Zubiac and Cousins are not even playing.

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13 minutes ago, costarica2 said:

SMALL BALL!!!!! Ibaka is one of the best at the pick and roll Defense but even when he is not playing they are using Morris at the 5.

Gobert/Favors just don't  have the inside game to post up the smaller players like Morris or even Batum.

Both Zubiac and Cousins are not even playing.

So, The small ball 5's are better able to show and recover on PnR? so, would the Grizz have fired better by playing Clarke and Tillman more and JV less? 

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15 minutes ago, Blackwatch said:

So, The small ball 5's are better able to show and recover on PnR? so, would the Grizz have fired better by playing Clarke and Tillman more and JV less? 

Yes exactly.    Because tendency of teams is to attack the smaller players in the post.  Which inadvertently disrupts their offensive flow.    We would have been happy giving up Rudy dunks vs Bojan 3s.   

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2 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

So, The small ball 5's are better able to show and recover on PnR? so, would the Grizz have fired better by playing Clarke and Tillman more and JV less? 

It's not as easy as jumping to that conclusion. The Clippers personnel is just better equipped to handle the Jazz. A big part of that is that their small ball 4 and 5, Batum and Morris, are both great shooters this season (Batum - 40.4% from 3 on 4.1 attempts this year; Morris - 47.3% from 3 on 5.2 attempts this year). If we plugged in Clarke or Tillman, then our offense would suffer and I'm not confident they'd be able to prevent the Gobert alley-oop either.

They've also done a better job of limiting the Jazz's offensive rebounds, which we seemed to be struggling to do whenever JV was out of the game.

No Conley also means they're without a key pick-and-roll threat.

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3 hours ago, costarica2 said:

SMALL BALL!!!!! Ibaka is one of the best at the pick and roll Defense but even when he is not playing they are using Morris at the 5.

Gobert/Favors just don't  have the inside game to post up the smaller players like Morris or even Batum.

Both Zubiac and Cousins are not even playing.

Ibaka hasn't played one minute this postseason. 

Also, you can't draw any conclusions from this series.  Conley has been out and Mitchell has been hobbled by injury.  Especially the last 2 games.  

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29 minutes ago, kevofrommempho said:

Ibaka hasn't played one minute this postseason. 

Also, you can't draw any conclusions from this series.  Conley has been out and Mitchell has been hobbled by injury.  Especially the last 2 games.  

If the Clips close out the Jazz without Ibaka and Kawhi, that says a lot for their players and for Ty Lue. 

And what a disaster that would be for the Jazz organization. They over paid Gobert to keep this core together. Best record in the league so home court throughout the playoffs. This is Donovan's last cheap year - he goes from $5M to over $28M next year. Best player on either team is injured (Kawhi) and they still might lose the series?  

They haven't lost yet. But if they do, it's really bad. 

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4 hours ago, Blackwatch said:

Anyone watching the Jazz-Clippers series? If so, what are the Clips doing on D that is holding the Jazz to under 120 pts/gm? 

 

Making them miss 3 pointers like 3 point teams sometimes do.

The reason the Jazz could go up 3-1 on the Nuggets last year, and then drop 3 straight is because that is what happens when you rely on and shoot way more 3s than anybody else.

Some of that is also the fact that the Clippers also probably have the best perimeter defenders in the playoffs.

 

Last night was a good example.  If you look at the for all 4 quarters for the Jazz, you can easily tell when they could only score 18 points in one of the quarters, and the others were 28,28, and 37.  Take a look at that 0-10 from the 3 point line in the 3rd, and that's a pretty big reason why they blew the lead and fell behind, unable to recover.

Some of that though is also not having Conley out there to keep all the guys involved.  Sometimes Mitchell doesn't let anyone else touch the ball on offense.

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