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It's called "a diagnosis from Dr. bhoyal."

Rx for the Grizz is a trip to Walgreens to pick up some Allegra or Zyrtec because other than JV, this team is allergic to offensive rebounds.  Other than JV, tonight the rest of the starting lineup combined for (I think) a total of two offensive rebounds.  JJJ and Tillman combined for zero offensive rebounds in 29 minutes off the bench.

Hard to get 2nd chance points when nobody (except JV) is trying to crash the O boards.  Obviously.

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28 minutes ago, Jetfixer said:

I wasn’t impressed with JV either 

JV got his 44th double double tonight, but I don't think he's been at 100% since returning from concussion protocol.

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JV is not at his best level. But he fight as do Dilon every night they go out. We can;t accept to see JJJ and Tillman not fighting the same way at rebounds...our team is way too soft, we have 2 warriors and a bunch of kids who get easily wrong , frustrated, spoil... when things turn difficult. The effort the FO  should put on next season is to bring 2 players with experiences and able to deal with such situation. Then the young will improve and one day we may be very good.

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1 hour ago, bhoyal said:

It's called "a diagnosis from Dr. bhoyal."

Rx for the Grizz is a trip to Walgreens to pick up some Allegra or Zyrtec because other than JV, this team is allergic to offensive rebounds.  Other than JV, tonight the rest of the starting lineup combined for (I think) a total of two offensive rebounds.  JJJ and Tillman combined for zero offensive rebounds in 29 minutes off the bench.

Hard to get 2nd chance points when nobody (except JV) is trying to crash the O boards.  Obviously.

Desmond seemed to be the only other one putting much effort into rebounding. 

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3 hours ago, bhoyal said:

It's called "a diagnosis from Dr. bhoyal."

Rx for the Grizz is a trip to Walgreens to pick up some Allegra or Zyrtec because other than JV, this team is allergic to offensive rebounds.  Other than JV, tonight the rest of the starting lineup combined for (I think) a total of two offensive rebounds.  JJJ and Tillman combined for zero offensive rebounds in 29 minutes off the bench.

Hard to get 2nd chance points when nobody (except JV) is trying to crash the O boards.  Obviously.

Is that a coaching philosophy to not crash the offensive glass? 

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I believe what people are seeing is not a lack of courage or grit but realistic fatigue. Since coming back from the all-star break the team has had 7 days where they weren't playing or traveling. That is seven days since March 10. Three of those days happened in March (3/11, 3/17 and 3/21). They had four such days in the entire month of April (4/1, 4/13, 4/24 and 4/29). 

There is only one more day where the team isn't traveling or playing the rest of the season. the wear and tear on a body is magnified when you don't get the chance to recuperate after games. Traveling takes a lot out of you when you combine the pressurized cabin and the strain of jet lag when traveling between time zones. 

Frankly I am amazed the team has held up as well as they have. 

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49 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

I believe what people are seeing is not a lack of courage or grit but realistic fatigue. Since coming back from the all-star break the team has had 7 days where they weren't playing or traveling. That is seven days since March 10. Three of those days happened in March (3/11, 3/17 and 3/21). They had four such days in the entire month of April (4/1, 4/13, 4/24 and 4/29). 

There is only one more day where the team isn't traveling or playing the rest of the season. the wear and tear on a body is magnified when you don't get the chance to recuperate after games. Traveling takes a lot out of you when you combine the pressurized cabin and the strain of jet lag when traveling between time zones. 

Frankly I am amazed the team has held up as well as they have. 

So how come Dillon can still play so hard and the others don't. 

JA especially looks super tired.

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1 minute ago, costarica2 said:

So how come Dillon can still play so hard and the others don't. 

JA especially looks super tired.

Good question. Perhaps he just has a bigger motor or he was in better shape. 

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

I believe what people are seeing is not a lack of courage or grit but realistic fatigue. Since coming back from the all-star break the team has had 7 days where they weren't playing or traveling. That is seven days since March 10. Three of those days happened in March (3/11, 3/17 and 3/21). They had four such days in the entire month of April (4/1, 4/13, 4/24 and 4/29). 

There is only one more day where the team isn't traveling or playing the rest of the season. the wear and tear on a body is magnified when you don't get the chance to recuperate after games. Traveling takes a lot out of you when you combine the pressurized cabin and the strain of jet lag when traveling between time zones. 

Frankly I am amazed the team has held up as well as they have. 

I think there is a lot of truth to this, and this is why I was for sitting major minutes guys for that game in Denver.

And quite frankly, now that there are 12 guys getting minutes, there would be a lot of advantages to just a rotation of 2-3 of the guys in street clothes on a given night to rest legs.  They need to find days off for these guys, and as the Clippers showed against the Grizzlies, the fresh legs of reserves who are excited to play sometimes beats tired legs of guys logging a lot of games.  Also having just two guys sitting on a given night would clear up the minutes situation for the guys on the floor.

 

It's not just physical fatigue, the mental drain is getting to those guys and although Tony Brothers is a jackass, the meltdown in the 4th was as much due to mental fatigue as anything.

 

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

I believe what people are seeing is not a lack of courage or grit but realistic fatigue. Since coming back from the all-star break the team has had 7 days where they weren't playing or traveling. That is seven days since March 10. Three of those days happened in March (3/11, 3/17 and 3/21). They had four such days in the entire month of April (4/1, 4/13, 4/24 and 4/29). 

There is only one more day where the team isn't traveling or playing the rest of the season. the wear and tear on a body is magnified when you don't get the chance to recuperate after games. Traveling takes a lot out of you when you combine the pressurized cabin and the strain of jet lag when traveling between time zones. 

Frankly I am amazed the team has held up as well as they have. 

I think there is some truth to that. But other teams are dealing with the same crazy schedules and injuries too. Last night the Knicks didn't have their starting and backup centers, and were playing the back end of a road back to back, while we had a rest day, and were healthy. 

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23 minutes ago, costarica2 said:

So how come Dillon can still play so hard and the others don't. 

JA especially looks super tired.

 

21 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Good question. Perhaps he just has a bigger motor or he was in better shape. 

I suspect this might have to do with who were Dillon's basketball idols when he was growing up - Dwayne Wade and Vince Carter. I'm sure that he saw how conditioning played such a major role in the longevity that Vince had as a player (22 seasons), while Wade's career was shortened (only 16 seasons) by the injuries he played through for years. 

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is the NBA not a business?  Are these players not paid crazy well to perform?  Are coaches and trainers not paid well for their abilities to coach, build, maintain their performance levels?  Yeah I get the travel and intensity of a lot of games and the impact it has on the body.  The vast majority of the players thrive on the competition and want to play versus practice.  Is 3J tired, JV, Dillon, Ja?  Give me a break and stop being so soft on these guys as an excuse.  The issue is performance and abilities...JV played 38 minutes last night.  How many touches did he have in the offensive end after the 1st, yet he was SO DAMNED FRUSTRATED at battling to get leverage and space, and no one desired or knew how to get the ball to him..but we threw up 41, 3's.  What are these guys auditioning for?  Drives me nuts.  I have no idea what were trying to do on offence, and majority of teams appear to feast  on us scoring from the 3....

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44 minutes ago, Lugan Village said:

is the NBA not a business?  Are these players not paid crazy well to perform?  Are coaches and trainers not paid well for their abilities to coach, build, maintain their performance levels?  Yeah I get the travel and intensity of a lot of games and the impact it has on the body.  The vast majority of the players thrive on the competition and want to play versus practice.  Is 3J tired, JV, Dillon, Ja?  Give me a break and stop being so soft on these guys as an excuse.  The issue is performance and abilities...JV played 38 minutes last night.  How many touches did he have in the offensive end after the 1st, yet he was SO DAMNED FRUSTRATED at battling to get leverage and space, and no one desired or knew how to get the ball to him..but we threw up 41, 3's.  What are these guys auditioning for?  Drives me nuts.  I have no idea what were trying to do on offence, and majority of teams appear to feast  on us scoring from the 3....

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Just now, Lugan Village said:

Chip I have no idea what your trying to communicate to me!, I’m in the dark!  🌘

Your attitude about criticizing the players for showing the affects of fatigue. I'm sure you are able to watch them every night with full intensity but it is difficult on the players both physically and mentally. I'm sorry they aren't man enough for you. 

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28 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Your attitude about criticizing the players for showing the affects of fatigue. I'm sure you are able to watch them every night with full intensity but it is difficult on the players both physically and mentally. I'm sorry they aren't man enough for you. 

Easy there chippo... attitude? hmm.  Maybe this is my view & perspective based on some sort of perspective, experience I may have.  Man enough? Losing creds with your responses here...

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3 minutes ago, Lugan Village said:

Easy there chippo... attitude? hmm.  Maybe this is my view & perspective based on some sort of perspective, experience I may have.  Man enough? Losing creds with your responses here...

I'm so sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Tell me what perspective and/or experience do you have with playing 32 games in 54 days at NBA basketball level? 

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No feelings that were hurt...I could answer that question honestly, and my sense is your response would likely be ...ahh, oh OK, got it...but let me ask you the same question you asked me? 

I never suggested 32 in 54 isn't a lot of games, but the supports systems around these guys is incredible wrt to health management and performance...constant dialogue between coach and lead trainer and therapists...

My strong opinion is the issue with our team today is not fatigue.  There not that fragile.

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27 minutes ago, Lugan Village said:

No feelings that were hurt...I could answer that question honestly, and my sense is your response would likely be ...ahh, oh OK, got it...but let me ask you the same question you asked me? 

I never suggested 32 in 54 isn't a lot of games, but the supports systems around these guys is incredible wrt to health management and performance...constant dialogue between coach and lead trainer and therapists...

My strong opinion is the issue with our team today is not fatigue.  There not that fragile.

We can agree to disagree then. What I am seeing on the court is fatigue for the most part and a lack of true top line talent in multiple areas. When, as was pointed out, team's stop doing the effort plays and settle for the easy plays instead I look to see if fatigue could be the cause first. 

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4 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

We can agree to disagree then. What I am seeing on the court is fatigue for the most part and a lack of true top line talent in multiple areas. When, as was pointed out, team's stop doing the effort plays and settle for the easy plays instead I look to see if fatigue could be the cause first. 

Fair enough...points taken.  Fatigue and recovery is the number one responsibility of training staff, if not managed critically well it can lead to injuries and indifferent play.  And maybe that is an issue for this team and its trainers, nutritionists, sleep specialists, doctors...  but I have no doubt that Deits and Gruver are delivering the best and managing all on and off court symptoms.

This team should be hitting its stride right now, their young and they should be driven to win.  Too many breakdowns are happening on the court and our play...maybe we should elsewhere? 

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