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I think everyone and they grandma can see that JV is not needed anymore, lets see what can we get for him.

We can get probably second or couple seconds for him, or we can add couple 1st rounders (Utah's and ours)  for a star like Zach Lavine...

Let's jump on a trade machine!!!

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44 minutes ago, I❤️JV said:

I think everyone and they grandma can see that JV is not needed anymore, lets see what can we get for him.

We can get probably second or couple seconds for him, or we can add couple 1st rounders (Utah's and ours)  for a star like Zach Lavine...

Let's jump on a trade machine!!!

Insert ‘tom hardy mad max that’s bait’ gif.

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well for whatever BBQ wisdom I may have obtained over the decades, JV should not be going anywhere this year.  Yes I agree that he has not been as effective this season, my sense is there are/were so many moving parts and the majority were attempting to show their value/worth to the organization.  I maintain, that lessor players other than JA have not had to play with a center like JV and they don't have confidence to make that pass inside or use his size.  Yes we have been winning games which is exactly what this team needs to do when rebuilding, versus many of you(u know who you are) said tank the season last year, tank the season after JJJ and JA went down...and where are those voices now?  It's typically a different season in the 2nd half, not sure yet what impact covid  will have on team desire until the playoffs, but that is when you see the ultra competitors and warriors begin to step up.  Management knows this, Jenkins knows this, some of our more confident players know this, and all the more reason you keep JV around especially if our timeline has been accelerated.

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I'd treat every player on the team not named Ja the same way...a valued asset that we can talk about if the deal is right.

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2 minutes ago, Gradey said:

I'd treat every player on the team not named Ja the same way...a valued asset that we can talk about if the deal is right.

yeah I agree, and that is the Raptors model of managing assets to constantly improve or you die.  Most GM's are using some form of this in todays modern player lineups/cap.  There is not a single player Raptors have that is not available unless/until they acquire that star that can dominate a game.  Ja is not there, but he will be that one sooner than later.  When he hits that point, that is when coach/GM starts assembling combinations our group that can win a championship.  JA is the constant, Jaren if healthy would be in most combinations but not necessarily all.  And there are scenarios' where Clarke, Dillon and JV would be in the mix, but not as many.  NOt to say they don't think about it during 2021 season, but its really fluid right now

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29 minutes ago, Grizzled Vet said:

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On 1/29/2021 at 2:55 PM, I❤️JV said:

we need a go-to small ball option, there are times when big men look like fish out of water.  There are situations when JV is out there as a 7 footer he has to dominate the boards and score everytime.  When the opposition spreads the floor, and we decide not to attack the low post then pull JV or Dieng off the floor.  I don;t think ya bench Steph Curry or James Harden despite their defensive issues, you build defensive schemes that cover for JV and his 25 minutes a game.  It's just that were winning with a certain type of game now, and the role players were putting in don't have the BBIQ, or skills or confidence or game to do that...Ja is the exception, and my sense is Jaren also understood.

 

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Wow getting eaten alive on the boards, sabonis is feasting with 24 and 10 of 11, what to do what to do? Let’s go even smaller ball, we got a combo line up for that....itiswhatitis? 

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7 hours ago, ItIsWhatItIs said:

There's so many awesome lineup combos when Jenkins can't play JV or Allen

this is completely untrue on both players accounts.  you're just parroting the same crap that Fastbreak Breakfast posted on twitter.

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14 minutes ago, grizz09 said:

this is completely untrue on both players accounts.  you're just parroting the same crap that Fastbreak Breakfast posted on twitter.

SO that's where he gets his one line comments from?

I've been wondering about that, they didn't sound too original to me

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44 minutes ago, BigHunkALove said:

SO that's where he gets his one line comments from?

I've been wondering about that, they didn't sound too original to me

clearly hijacked his thought/post from this post from fastbreak.

not to mention that a more than fair amount of the team's best net rating lineups have allen in them.  the team needs JV against guys like sabonis, etc.  complete BS thinking that neither contribute to winning.

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Have people really said they don’t contribute to winning or was it more so the idea that JV in particular doesn’t fit the style the team likes to play. JV isn’t some crazy defensive big so other than being tall and strong what exactly was he gonna do against Sabonis or Turner. Let’s not forget Drummond ate JV up and he isn’t skilled at all he’s just big. This was a loss we don’t match up well against Sabonis never have 

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8 hours ago, Ndq0327 said:

Have people really said they don’t contribute to winning or was it more so the idea that JV in particular doesn’t fit the style the team likes to play. JV isn’t some crazy defensive big so other than being tall and strong what exactly was he gonna do against Sabonis or Turner. Let’s not forget Drummond ate JV up and he isn’t skilled at all he’s just big. This was a loss we don’t match up well against Sabonis never have 

Yea the JV fanboys overreact to any criticism of Jonas.   When in reality the only real criticism Jonas receives from fans are the same criticisms that forced him to a reserve role in the first place. 

Facts are that FO should be willing to trade anyone not named Ja and Jaren if it clearly improves the team.   As much as I criticize Dillon and Jonas - i actually do like both of them.    My problem is that i think they are playing the incorrect role currently.    IMHO Dillon and Jonas would be better coming off the bench instead of starters.    

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Yea the JV fanboys overreact to any criticism of Jonas.   When in reality the only real criticism Jonas receives from fans are the same criticisms that forced him to a reserve role in the first place. 

Facts are that FO should be willing to trade anyone not named Ja and Jaren if it clearly improves the team.   As much as I criticize Dillon and Jonas - i actually do like both of them.    My problem is that i think they are playing the incorrect role currently.    IMHO Dillon and Jonas would be better coming off the bench instead of starters.    

If Dillon plays moving the ball, giving his all on the D and dont force his shoots he is a option as a starter too. But he will have to produce more than Justise and SlowMo.

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18 minutes ago, Ja_Rules said:

If Dillon plays moving the ball, giving his all on the D and dont force his shoots he is a option as a starter too. But he will have to produce more than Justise and SlowMo.

If Justise is healthy then he will be the defensive specialist and secondary playmaker in the starting lineup.  Kyle is much better at the 4.   One good thing in the blowout yesterday is that it showed Bane can be more than just a spot up shooter.    Ja + Bane + Justise + Jaren + Tillman or Jonas.    That just is a way more balanced lineup and let Dillon do his damage on 2nd unit. 

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2 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

If Justise is healthy then he will be the defensive specialist and secondary playmaker in the starting lineup.  Kyle is much better at the 4.   One good thing in the blowout yesterday is that it showed Bane can be more than just a spot up shooter.    Ja + Bane + Justise + Jaren + Tillman or Jonas.    That just is a way more balanced lineup and let Dillon do his damage on 2nd unit. 

Never thought GrizzTiger was such a drama/reality TV type of guy in his posts, maybe he is just trolling for a response, so here it is...Tillman after ten games or so is annointed into your starting lineup?  Because he shoots our best 3 ball on a team that sucks, and that is good enough to replace a double double machine, who can control the paint and boards, elevates his  game in the moment when he needs to...not sure but I think we all saw a number of Pacers blowing by Banes uncontested

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16 minutes ago, Lugan Village said:

Never thought GrizzTiger was such a drama/reality TV type of guy in his posts, maybe he is just trolling for a response, so here it is...Tillman after ten games or so is annointed into your starting lineup?  Because he shoots our best 3 ball on a team that sucks, and that is good enough to replace a double double machine, who can control the paint and boards, elevates his  game in the moment when he needs to...not sure but I think we all saw a number of Pacers blowing by Banes uncontested

haha you got jokes.   Yep i do believe Tillman can be the starting Center; from what i have seen Tillman is a solid rebounder, good playmaker, defender and has offensive upside.  Majority of the NBA teams don't deploy old school centers but instead rely on dynamic guards that run a ton of PnRolls.  Let's stop pretending like JV can ever develop into a good defensive center in todays game.   Tillman has shown that he can defend at a high level against most centers already if there is a poor matchup just bench him.   He is a better fit spacing-wise next to Ja already. 

I just love how some of you simply ignore JV's weakness and how they resulted in him being benched in favor of Ibaka and eventually traded for Gasol.   Remember that Gasol strengths happen to be the exact same projected strengths of Tillman (Defense, Passing, Playmaking).   So why is it so hard to understand that his same defensive deficiencies that got him traded will be a hindrance to him continuing to start here?     JV is a good player nobody argues against that.   the only guys on this roster that coach should be trying to fit others around are Ja and Jaren.    

 When Ja was out i didn't see the team declaring Jonas as the new Alpha.  Every thing i heard was now Dillon was gonna have to be the primary scorer.    This team is built for Jonas to be another role player and his role is inside scorer/rebounder.   Role players can either start or come off the bench. 

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