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28 minutes ago, grizz09 said:

i'm starting to feel that way after the tournament.  he looked overwhelmed facing nba level size/athletes and really wasn't that good until being a junior/senior.  grayson was much better overall in college and had a far superior peak as a sophomore in a much tougher conference/spotlight and was drafted in the 20s as a senior.  other than being bigger/younger, what does kispert offer that grayson doesn't as a known commodity for us already?  better yet, what does he offer that bane doesn't already as a young nba player?  he's not high level or dynamic enough for me to consider him, especially with inflated stats in a weaker conference (they did play some real team out of conference to his credit) playing w/o fans in the stands and not having great years until he was an upperclassman.  i'm out on him, at least in the lottery.  don't see why he should go that high when seniors in allen and bane went in the 20s and 30s.

It was a bad look for Kispert the way Baylor ran him off the 3 ball line.  He couldn’t even get a shot off.  Real GMers pointed it out that he doesn’t really get his shot off too quickly either.  I also noticed a slight hunch in his shot.  Good news for us: he might FALL in the draft — closer to where we are.  With his flaws still possibly an ideal third shooter behind Jaren and Bane.  ... he looked rattled but the whole team did against Baylor. Still should be a top option in the 15-25 range and at that point maybe you are only looking at fairly limited (or solid guys with lower ceilings) specialists.  

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I'm sorry but this is such an overreaction. Im not going to get amnesia on Kispert game film, he is clearly more than a shooter. He has some handle and is fairly smooth off the dribble.  Rarely is he going to have a set of 6'3" NBA ready guards(defensively) hounding him like he did Monday night like cmon people!  He is atleast a Bodganovic from Utah. 

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2 hours ago, Dwash said:

I'm sorry but this is such an overreaction. Im not going to get amnesia on Kispert game film, he is clearly more than a shooter. He has some handle and is fairly smooth off the dribble.  Rarely is he going to have a set of 6'3" NBA ready guards(defensively) hounding him like he did Monday night like cmon people!  He is atleast a Bodganovic from Utah. 

WTF are you talking about?  he's going to have potential high level nba defenders on him every night in the nba, not low level athletes from such powerhouses as pepperdine, st mary's, or san diego, c'mon dude.  he's got a low/push release point on his shot, so he's going to have to learn to get it off quick and how to attack closeouts.  i just have more doubts considering he didn't even get that good until he was an upperclassman in a weaker conference, similar to chandler hutchison who is looking like a bad pick right now.  not to say that kispert will bust since he has an nba level skill in shooting, but it's enough to give any GM pause to draft him lottery.  in the late teens or early 20s picks, then he has much better value.

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2 hours ago, grizz09 said:

WTF are you talking about?  he's going to have potential high level nba defenders on him every night in the nba, not low level athletes from such powerhouses as pepperdine, st mary's, or san diego, c'mon dude.  he's got a low/push release point on his shot, so he's going to have to learn to get it off quick and how to attack closeouts.  i just have more doubts considering he didn't even get that good until he was an upperclassman in a weaker conference, similar to chandler hutchison who is looking like a bad pick right now.  not to say that kispert will bust since he has an nba level skill in shooting, but it's enough to give any GM pause to draft him lottery.  in the late teens or early 20s picks, then he has much better value.

Now what are you talking about? He dominated those low powerhouses, shot 45% from three and most of his other comp from outer conferences. He struggled against Baylor which has everyone turning their noses.  Have you watched a normal NBA game and how they let them things fly now?  How much more spread out the court is?  They are longer, taller ofcourse so finishing in traffic is tougher but they rarely play intense in your butt defense like you saw Monday night unless it's like a playoff situation or a 4th quarter.

  They will hardly ever guard Kispert like a number 1 option like Baylor did because he isn't being picked to do that.  Folks so busy trying to hit a homerun and get a guy who is a "shot creator" and wind up getting nothing.  We arent going to get a lead scorer in the middle of the 1st, but again, as a 3rd scorer (Ala Bojan Bodganovic) he can pull that off. 

In NBA terms Monday would be like sticking a dog like Tony Allen or Marcus Smart on Bodganovic for the entire game in a game 7 and he basically didn't leave him. Ofcourse he would struggle to dribble or get a shot off.  He isn't going to dribble on them, he gets his points off passes and motion.  Kispert is similar. 

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1 minute ago, Dwash said:

Now what are you talking about? He dominated those low powerhouses, shot 45% from three and most of his other comp from outer conferences. He struggled against Baylor which has everyone turning their noses.  Have you watched a normal NBA game and how they let them things fly now?  How much more spread out the court is?  They are longer, taller ofcourse so finishing in traffic is tougher but they rarely play intense in your butt defense like you saw Monday night unless it's like a playoff situation or a 4th quarter.

  They will hardly ever guard Kispert like a number 1 option like Baylor did because he isn't being picked to do that.  Folks so busy trying to hit a homerun and get a guy who is a "shot creator" and wind up getting nothing.  We arent going to get a lead scorer in the middle of the 1st, but again, as a 3rd scorer (Ala Bojan Bodganovic) he can pull that off. 

i'll agree about the spacing being better, i just don't see him as a lottery guy. especially someone who wasn't that much until this year.  if he falls into late teens/20s, then sure.

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9 minutes ago, grizz09 said:

i'll agree about the spacing being better, i just don't see him as a lottery guy. especially someone who wasn't that much until this year.  if he falls into late teens/20s, then sure.

I don’t have a ton of guys ahead of him.  I have the usual guys like Mobley/Green/Cade as well as Kuminga (next tier or two down), then Davion Mitchell (2 way force of nature — Chris Paul vibes?), probably Scottie Barnes and Jalen Johnson as well as 3 imports that intrigue me (Vrenz/Josh Giddey/Ibou Badji).  That might be about it.  You can probably take him ahead of the Tennessee guards and the Texas bigs depending on need.  Right there with the Big 12 point guards (Jared Butler/Miles McBride)... and a good number of Isaiah’s (Todd/Mobley/Livers).  
 

You would have to think that a Grizz fearsome 5 of Ja/Bane/Kispert/Clarke/Jaren would offer immaculate spacing — both horizontally and vertically.  

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14 hours ago, rc0213 said:

Memphis needs to miss the playoffs and get lucky and get a high lottery pick.

Not looking like that is going to happen with the way we have been playing lately and I don't think it is actually necessary.  We have enough young talent on this team that internal improvement of our young players (especially Ja) is what is going to determine the success of the team going forward.  We are going to be picking in the middle of pack most likely.  We just need to continue finding underrated upperclassmen that can contribute right away like we have the past couple of seasons and then consolidate some of this young talent we have with a trade for a veteran at some point.

Guys I like that could fall to us:  Chris Duarte, & Neemias Queta

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We are currently picking around 20 and i don't see that changing much.   Tankathon has us pickup up Chris Duarte another Oregon player (Dillon!).   I don't know much about him but he will be 24y that seems a lil old even for the Grizz.  

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15 hours ago, rc0213 said:

Memphis needs to miss the playoffs and get lucky and get a high lottery pick.

Another "fan" that wants to lose to have incredibly low odds to get into the top 4. Incredible. 

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3 minutes ago, The J Crew said:

Another "fan" that wants to lose to have incredibly low odds to get into the top 4. Incredible. 

Memphis got Ja, even though EVERYONE, like fans like you, said that Memphis has a VERY LOW chance of picking high.

 

So, sorry, if I don't count on your "expert" advice.  I think one more highly talented draft pick would really bring us to the next level.

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16 minutes ago, kevofrommempho said:

Not looking like that is going to happen with the way we have been playing lately and I don't think it is actually necessary.  We have enough young talent on this team that internal improvement of our young players (especially Ja) is what is going to determine the success of the team going forward.  We are going to be picking in the middle of pack most likely.  We just need to continue finding underrated upperclassmen that can contribute right away like we have the past couple of seasons and then consolidate some of this young talent we have with a trade for a veteran at some point.

Guys I like that could fall to us:  Chris Duarte, & Neemias Queta

Queta isn’t athletic enough for me I think he had some type of leg injury last year. He kinda lumbers to me if we are picking a center I’d like to have a rim runner that blocks shots

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6 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Queta isn’t athletic enough for me I think he had some type of leg injury last year. He kinda lumbers to me if we are picking a center I’d like to have a rim runner that blocks shots

Who do you like in our range or who do you think will be a good fit in our range?

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41 minutes ago, rc0213 said:

Memphis got Ja, even though EVERYONE, like fans like you, said that Memphis has a VERY LOW chance of picking high.

 

Wrong, of course, which is common for you. And you have no idea what I was thinking two years ago, unless you're a clairvoyant, which you are not.

And we didn't tank, won 33 games, were slotted to pick 8th that year, and lucked up to get the 2nd pick in a 2 man draft. We have our stars in place now. To lose on purpose is asinine. And even if we played terrible enough to finish 14th, the last lottery spot, our chances of moving into the top 4 are 2.4% (so less than one in 40), and of getting the top pick is .5% (so one in 200).  http://www.tankathon.com/

So yeah, great plan, have this great young team, but let's lose on purpose for a 2.4% chance of picking in the top 4. Genius move, rc. 

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Let’s say from 17 to 30 on this mock I’d take Kispert if he’s there but I doubt he falls to the 20’s I’d also take Ayo but I don’t really see them taking a sg between Grayson Melton and Bane one of those guys is the starting sg going forward and one of them is traded. After those two I’d look at the international guys Roko and Vrenz 

So my picks would be

Kispert

Ayo

Roko 

Vrenz ( Will likely be 1st on my list come draft night) after seeing Poku be good in OKC I willing to risk a 1st on a similar player especially if he stays in the draft and we can scoop him up earlier than he’s projected to go. 

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft

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  Top 5 is a pipe dream at this point.   This is a deep draft and being outside the lottery could be a blessing in disguise.   Most of the guys in teens to twenties are the same level of prospect. 

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6 minutes ago, The J Crew said:

Wrong, of course, which is common for you. And you have no idea what I was thinking two years ago, unless you're a clairvoyant, which you are not.

And we didn't tank, won 33 games, were slotted to pick 8th that year, and lucked up to get the 2nd pick in a 2 man draft. We have our stars in place now. To lose on purpose is asinine. And even if we played terrible enough to finish 14th, the last lottery spot, our chances of moving into the top 4 are 2.4% (so less than one in 40), and of getting the top pick is .5% (so one in 200).

So yeah, great plan, have this great young team, but let's lose on purpose for a 2.4% chance of picking in the top 4. Genius move, rc. 

No, I'm right.  Just because you claim I'm wrong doesn't make it so.

 

That's the problem with people like you, you don't like telling the truth.  We ended up just missing the playoffs, which meant we had very little chance of picking a top 3 lottery pick.  YET, Memphis ended up with the no. 2 pick.. AGAINST ALL ODDS.

So, I WAS RIGHT!  

Memphis will have a chance of getting a Top 3 pick, like couple of years ago.  It's RANDOM, which means, those odds really are not 100% accurate.  

If those odds were so accurate, then WHY even do a randomized pick at all?! OH! because it is NOT always right.

 

Which is how we ended up with Ja, because the odds were totally against Memphis of getting the 2nd pick.

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4 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Let’s say from 17 to 30 on this mock I’d take Kispert if he’s there but I doubt he falls to the 20’s I’d also take Ayo but I don’t really see them taking a sg between Grayson Melton and Bane one of those guys is the starting sg going forward and one of them is traded. After those two I’d look at the international guys Roko and Vrenz 

So my picks would be

Kispert

Ayo

Roko 

Vrenz

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2021-nba-mock-draft

If kispert starts falling i 100% see Grizz making moves to jump up and get him. .   Tankathon has us taking Chris Duarte

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft  and Ayo falling to second round. 

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I this point we have to start scouting the Brandon Clarkes/ Desmond Banes of the world in 8 to 17 range.

-high character 

-college expereince

-production

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43 minutes ago, Ndq0327 said:

Queta isn’t athletic enough for me I think he had some type of leg injury last year. He kinda lumbers to me if we are picking a center I’d like to have a rim runner that blocks shots

Yeah he's not the most athletic guy in the world because he is so big, but neither was Gasol.  He has great length, 9' 3'' standing reach, and defensive instincts, led the NCAA in blocked shots last season, and he has shown improvement each season offensively, especially his passing.  I think a big man who is great rim protector and a good passer can be very useful to us coming off the bench in certain scenarios.

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2 minutes ago, costarica2 said:

I this point we have to start scouting the Brandon Clarkes/ Desmond Banes of the world in 8 to 17 range.

-high character 

-college expereince

-production

Yes.

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5 minutes ago, kevofrommempho said:

Yeah he's not the most athletic guy in the world because he is so big, but neither was Gasol.  He has great length, 9' 3'' standing reach, and defensive instincts, led the NCAA in blocked shots last season, and he has shown improvement each season offensively, especially his passing.  I think a big man who is great rim protector and a good passer can be very useful to us coming off the bench in certain scenarios.

I’ve never liked gasol so comparing Queta’s lack of athleticism to Mark just makes things worse lol 

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35 minutes ago, rc0213 said:

No, I'm right.  Just because you claim I'm wrong doesn't make it so.

 

That's the problem with people like you, you don't like telling the truth.  We ended up just missing the playoffs, which meant we had very little chance of picking a top 3 lottery pick.  YET, Memphis ended up with the no. 2 pick.. AGAINST ALL ODDS.

So, I WAS RIGHT!  

Memphis will have a chance of getting a Top 3 pick, like couple of years ago.  It's RANDOM, which means, those odds really are not 100% accurate.  

If those odds were so accurate, then WHY even do a randomized pick at all?! OH! because it is NOT always right.

 

Which is how we ended up with Ja, because the odds were totally against Memphis of getting the 2nd pick.

Lol.  The funny thing is you're not joking. 

Odds are random, huh?  Didn't realize I was dealing with a mensa-level brain here. Lol. 

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I for one care less about this draft than most in recent years. We have had three good drafts with J.Jackson and Carter who if I'm right got us Melton, Ja and Clarke, and Bane and Tillman. We have plenty of young assets, as somebody said we might trade up with a Grayson, Tyus, Anderson type, but only to me if it's a really high pick. I trust whomever has been deciding these picks lately.

I think the trick to put us where we need to be is a decision on Winslow, or his cap money, Dieng's 16.5 , Dion Waiters 12.6, Marco's 2.7, plus some more. 47 million roughly some of this will go to resigning of the big names in the future, but finding one really good player in FA would be great. I don't thing finding a player in the 14-20 range in the draft to put us there is a high %.

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2 hours ago, Ndq0327 said:

Queta isn’t athletic enough for me I think he had some type of leg injury last year. He kinda lumbers to me if we are picking a center I’d like to have a rim runner that blocks shots

A center that I think would fit as a mid 2nd round pick is Jay Huff from Virginia. Older, 7'1", respectable mobility and can shoot. And played for a great program.. 

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