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16 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

Marc has played professionally since he was 18. Just not in the NBA.

I’m saying 13 years is a lot of wear and tear despite only being 32

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15 hours ago, ItIsWhatItIs said:

Starting to be a little concerned about Jenkins coaching abilities. Playing too many people and slow to make adjustments were big problems for him this season. 

All these Popovich guys like Budenholzer, Atkinson, Q Snyder have this issue. Might just be a bad thing from the Pop tree

I was wondering this too while watching Bud coach last night.

Not much to the offensive "sets" being run out there. It seems the system is purely dependent on having shooters who hit consistently. The Bucks only have a few of these guys and we have even less.

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17 hours ago, ItIsWhatItIs said:

Starting to be a little concerned about Jenkins coaching abilities. Playing too many people and slow to make adjustments were big problems for him this season. 

All these Popovich guys like Budenholzer, Atkinson, Q Snyder have this issue. Might just be a bad thing from the Pop tree

I think the Bucks are too dependent on Giannis playing hero ball, dont have true pg or creator on offense but their coach never makes adjustments either....  

I think Coach Jenkins kept the offense simple in year 1 and expect him to add more wrinkles in year two...  

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20 hours ago, ItIsWhatItIs said:

Starting to be a little concerned about Jenkins coaching abilities. Playing too many people and slow to make adjustments were big problems for him this season. 

All these Popovich guys like Budenholzer, Atkinson, Q Snyder have this issue. Might just be a bad thing from the Pop tree

Too early to say but definitely something to watch. We knew when the season started that the new coaches didn't have time to work out any kind of offensive system with the team, so it's hard to judge. This will not be acceptable next season.

As for playing too many people I think it's kind of a side effect of having lots of young players under evaluation. It's not as if we had a set rotation even coming to the bubble. I would expect this to continue next season, especially if we end up tanking.

I'm more concerned about the lack of adjustments / refusal to issue challenges. He's a rookie coach and all that, but you would expect at least some progress through the season. We'll see.

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53 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

Too early to say but definitely something to watch. We knew when the season started that the new coaches didn't have time to work out any kind of offensive system with the team, so it's hard to judge. This will not be acceptable next season.

As for playing too many people I think it's kind of a side effect of having lots of young players under evaluation. It's not as if we had a set rotation even coming to the bubble. I would expect this to continue next season, especially if we end up tanking.

I'm more concerned about the lack of adjustments / refusal to issue challenges. He's a rookie coach and all that, but you would expect at least some progress through the season. We'll see.

Are they allowed to get outside influence (ie, someone upstairs watching instant replays) when deciding on a challenge like football coaches do? 

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2 hours ago, Dwash said:

Are they allowed to get outside influence (ie, someone upstairs watching instant replays) when deciding on a challenge like football coaches do? 

Well I know Brevin most certainly told Jenkins to challenge a play once. 

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I was already not the biggest Taylor Jenkins fan to begin with

But after watching his basketball dad Budenholzer stink it up in the playoffs once again, I'm even less of a fan

Same problem Milwaukee has will be the same problem this team has in the future

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21 minutes ago, Holidayinn21 said:

I was already not the biggest Taylor Jenkins fan to begin with

But after watching his basketball dad Budenholzer stink it up in the playoffs once again, I'm even less of a fan

Same problem Milwaukee has will be the same problem this team has in the future

Well, if we can have the best record in the league, I'd take that. Different set of players too. Not saying Giannis and Middleton are soft but I don't think they can elevate their games during adversity, I think Ja can. 

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4 hours ago, Holidayinn21 said:

I was already not the biggest Taylor Jenkins fan to begin with

But after watching his basketball dad Budenholzer stink it up in the playoffs once again, I'm even less of a fan

Same problem Milwaukee has will be the same problem this team has in the future

 

4 hours ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

Well, if we can have the best record in the league, I'd take that. Different set of players too. Not saying Giannis and Middleton are soft but I don't think they can elevate their games during adversity, I think Ja can. 

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“Pop” Culture

Popovich has won five titles with the San Antonio Spurs and had a playoff streak lasting over 20 years broken this season. The Spurs’ stretch of high-level success across so many season is nearly unprecedented.

He’s arguably the greatest coach in the history of the sport, worthy of mention alongside Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson.

Also, surprisingly, Popovich really doesn’t make adjustments in the playoffs the way his reputation proceeds. Popovich put it plainly several years ago:

“I think overall, over a whole series, the number of adjustments, or the magnitude of adjustments, is definitely overrated,” said Popovich.

“I think there are certainly tweaks that are made. And then there might be, you know, one or two adjustments that are made — a personnel change or a defensive change — that kind of thing that helps win a game here or there. But for the most part, I think it’s probably exaggerated.”

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-playoffs-bucks-vs-heat-mike-budenholzer-coaching-adjustments-2020

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/4/21422788/bucks-heat-giannis-antetokounmpo-mike-budenholzer

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On 9/6/2020 at 6:08 PM, Holidayinn21 said:

I was already not the biggest Taylor Jenkins fan to begin with

But after watching his basketball dad Budenholzer stink it up in the playoffs once again, I'm even less of a fan

Same problem Milwaukee has will be the same problem this team has in the future

 

I don't think Milwaukee's bubble performance should be a great indicator because it was an unusual year, and to that, I'm not surprised George Hill was shipped out as part of the Jrue trade. 

Part of the Budenholzer issue is that I think his teams overachieve in the regular season.  Is it surprising that a team where Khris Middleton is your 2nd best player is losing in the playoffs to the Raptors last year?

Take a look at those Atlanta Hawks teams he had.  They overachieved in regular season, but they nobody thought they were this great team that was going to take down LeBron and the Cavs.  He did a great job with the roster, and a bunch of those guys got huge contracts after leaving Atlanta and didn't perform anywhere close to what they did for Bud.

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Looks like Konchar got a qualifying offer per Bobby Marks. So we should assume he is on the 15 man roster next season, right?

Haven't seen any Grizz reporters report this yet, but not like we have Woodward and Bernstein on the Grizz beat these days.

 

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30 minutes ago, The J Crew said:

Looks like Konchar got a qualifying offer per Bobby Marks. So we should assume he is on the 15 man roster next season, right?

Not necessarily, he might get an offer sheet we don't want to match, or maybe the QO is rescinded later.

However I think this is a no brainer and the FO would have to have very compelling reasons not to pick him up.

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3 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

Not necessarily, he might get an offer sheet we don't want to match, or maybe the QO is rescinded later.

However I think this is a no brainer and the FO would have to have very compelling reasons not to pick him up.

Agree it's not 100%. But seems like it will happen, which is smart.

Also opens both two-ways, assuming Yuta is gone. So the FO probably has offers out soon for this year's two-way players. 

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I think the bigger, yet unsurprising, news is that Yuta did not receive one, making him available to be signed by anyone and an indicator that he won't be back.  I like Yuta, but have no issue with this.

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2 minutes ago, Grizzled Vet said:

I think the bigger, yet unsurprising, news is that Yuta did not receive one, making him available to be signed by anyone and an indicator that he won't be back.  I like Yuta, but have no issue with this.

Yuta is 26. I think they stuck with him too long. 

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If it wasn't Yuta, it would have been Shaq Buchanan or someone like him.  Hope he sticks around on the Hustle or goes international and finds success.  I really wish it would have worked out.

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1 minute ago, Grizzled Vet said:

If it wasn't Yuta, it would have been Shaq Buchanan or someone like him.  Hope he sticks around on the Hustle or goes international and finds success.  I really wish it would have worked out.

I just like using the two-ways for younger guys. 

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In the FO's defense, it's important for the Grizzlies to be seen as an international-friendly organization. Given our difficulty to attract and retain free agents (compared to glitzier destinations) having a good track with international players is an important recruiting tool. In that sense keeping Yuta around was an investment in the Japanese/East Asian market beyond his actual ability to make the first team. I have no complaints for keeping him around.

Now, the Rade Zagoracs of the world are a different matter...

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6 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

In the FO's defense, it's important for the Grizzlies to be seen as an international-friendly organization. Given our difficulty to attract and retain free agents (compared to glitzier destinations) having a good track with international players is an important recruiting tool. In that sense keeping Yuta around was an investment in the Japanese/East Asian market beyond his actual ability to make the first team. I have no complaints for keeping him around.

Now, the Rade Zagoracs of the world are a different matter...

Interesting you should mention Rade. I have no idea why the CA has this video linked to a draft day story when first, it's from 4 years ago and secondly, none of those guys work for the CA anymore. In fact, 2 work for a competing newspaper. Anyway, I have now heard/seen Rade Zagorac's name twice in one day when I hadn't heard it in years:

https://www.commercialappeal.com/videos/sports/nba/grizzlies/2017/06/15/did-grizzlies-manage-find-asset-2016-draft/102892684/

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Just now, srmjr23 said:

Gotta pay for those shooters baby

Nesmith, Bey, Green and Vassel will be better players than Harris. But I liked Harris, just not for that type of money

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