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Jenkins system has not,is not and will never work.

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36 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Losing close games or losing leads is common with young, inexperienced teams.  It's just something they'll have to learn to correct.

exactly, it's all good for them to get this experience to learn and grow.  i think he needs to shake up the rotation depending on what happens after the trade deadline.   I personally have always believed dillon to be more a SF than SG and that allen may be the best pure SG on the team (deanthony is kind of an all-purpose type combo guard; worse shooter but better defender than allen).  assuming jae and/or solo are traded, my ideas for rotation are twofold.  idea #1 for the starters: ja/melton/dillon/jaren/JV --> deanthony can make up for ja's defensive limitations and dillon can focus on being mostly just a spot up 3 pt shooter (and a definite upgrade over jae at the SF position in general).  2nd line/bench would be tyus/allen/kyle/brandon/whoever (likely JV or jaren or someone from a trade).  tyus, allen, and kyle seem to have good chemistry in the lineups i've seen with them together.  My other idea would be starters: ja/allen/kyle/jaren/JV --> kyle provides extra defense in this lineup and both he and allen are unselfish/low maintenance and play better team ball than dillon/crowder do currently.  that identity would fit well with the other 3 guys starting.  allen would also provide floor spacing and secondary ball handling/playmaking.  bench would be tyus/deanthony/dillon/brandon/whoever.  alternatives could be brandon shifting into either of these starting lineups for dillon or kyle or playing dillon as the starting SF instead of kyle in my 2nd idea.

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26 minutes ago, grizz09 said:

exactly, it's all good for them to get this experience to learn and grow.  i think he needs to shake up the rotation depending on what happens after the trade deadline.   I personally have always believed dillon to be more a SF than SG and that allen may be the best pure SG on the team (deanthony is kind of an all-purpose type combo guard; worse shooter but better defender than allen).  assuming jae and/or solo are traded, my ideas for rotation are twofold.  idea #1 for the starters: ja/melton/dillon/jaren/JV --> deanthony can make up for ja's defensive limitations and dillon can focus on being mostly just a spot up 3 pt shooter (and a definite upgrade over jae at the SF position in general).  2nd line/bench would be tyus/allen/kyle/brandon/whoever (likely JV or jaren or someone from a trade).  tyus, allen, and kyle seem to have good chemistry in the lineups i've seen with them together.  My other idea would be starters: ja/allen/kyle/jaren/JV --> kyle provides extra defense in this lineup and both he and allen are unselfish/low maintenance and play better team ball than dillon/crowder do currently.  that identity would fit well with the other 3 guys starting.  allen would also provide floor spacing and secondary ball handling/playmaking.  bench would be tyus/deanthony/dillon/brandon/whoever.  alternatives could be brandon shifting into either of these starting lineups for dillon or kyle or playing dillon as the starting SF instead of kyle in my 2nd idea.

I guess I could get with that.  Whatever we do it is still going to take time to get our team chemistry together.  We're still a couple of pieces plus development time away from being serious threats.  The trouble is that fans want everything at once.  We need to be more patient.

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agreed as far as patience, moving obvious pieces at the deadline etc..

one thing I think needs to be much more instilled within our offense is making it a priority to find ja in the open court. way too many times, I see crowder or db not finding him when he’s got open space on the break. that is one thing that the coaching staff needs to make a priority for the team. 

 

slim. 

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2 hours ago, memphis slim said:

agreed as far as patience, moving obvious pieces at the deadline etc..

one thing I think needs to be much more instilled within our offense is making it a priority to find ja in the open court. way too many times, I see crowder or db not finding him when he’s got open space on the break. that is one thing that the coaching staff needs to make a priority for the team. 

 

slim. 

Yep.

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On 12/29/2019 at 2:50 AM, Myers said:

I agree.  it starts all next year. For me it has been clear right away since they allowed Iggy to stay home... 

Every year is starting to be "just you wait until next year!"  What would keep next year from being another mulligan year?

Eventually the mulligans have to end and the serious contention starts.

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3 minutes ago, bhoyal said:

Every year is starting to be "just you wait until next year!"  What would keep next year from being another mulligan year?

Eventually the mulligans have to end and the serious contention starts.

every objective person can see that, with our improving present core, expiring assets and huge cap space, we should have very good season next year (on paper) ....i am optimistic for next season...even this season we have a (1/1000000) chance to make playoffs

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the roster from last season was more skilled and experienced, but their upside was limited primarily because of aging players.  There had to be a reset, and the FO made decision to go young, raw and build.  I totally agree that mulligans eventually run out, first with your core players, followed by coaching and then the fans. 

BUT playing the young talent that get playing time and experience is a good thing, but more important is handling rookies' playing time is a balancing act between letting them make mistakes and pulling them aside to let them learn.  That is where vets like JV play an important role....

Mulli's and player accountability go hand in hand....and I am on the record multiple times saying only one of JJJ, JA and BC will be with Memphis in 3 years 2023.

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16 hours ago, bhoyal said:

Every year is starting to be "just you wait until next year!"  What would keep next year from being another mulligan year?

Eventually the mulligans have to end and the serious contention starts.

Not me, Sir.

Until Chris Wallace left i never considered the new chapter open.  This is the first year after him and the Conley/Gasol (and Chandler freaking Parsons) era.

 

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:09 AM, bhoyal said:

Every year is starting to be "just you wait until next year!"  What would keep next year from being another mulligan year?

Eventually the mulligans have to end and the serious contention starts.

I mean, there's certainly an argument to be made that we waited to long to start the rebuild in earnest.  Still, we traded Marc mid-season last year and Conley in the off-season.  This is basically year 1 of the rebuild as far as I'm concerned.

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:09 AM, bhoyal said:

Every year is starting to be "just you wait until next year!"  What would keep next year from being another mulligan year?

Eventually the mulligans have to end and the serious contention starts.

Truthfully this is the first year of our full blown rebuild and it's turning out better than anticipated 

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5 hours ago, UkGrizz said:

I found this interesting...

Bet those defensive numbers are horrific though. But excellent offense. 

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51 minutes ago, King Dork said:

Bet those defensive numbers are horrific though. But excellent offense. 

Yea its hard to dispute that his offensive improvements aren't a great thing.    But his defensive schemes leave a lot to be desired.   Maybe improvements in personnel can make it look better. 

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1 hour ago, King Dork said:

Bet those defensive numbers are horrific though. But excellent offense. 

Of course, it's a process though, he seems to have the offense going as he'd like it now.

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Our defense doesn't even need to be top 10  just need an average defense to go along with the offense.

With Melton in guys like Tyus have look much better on defense.

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Maybe this article will shine light on our defensive strategy. 

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/12/24/21035620/milwaukee-bucks-defense-rim-protection-three-pointers-stats-giannis-lopez-brothers

Defense, along with Giannis Antetokounmpo, explains Milwaukee’s status as the NBA’s best team. Through Christmas, the Bucks are allowing fewer points per 100 possessions than any NBA team since the 2015-16 Spurs. But the Bucks’ strategy isn’t due to an adaptive approach that prioritizes the entire court equally. It’s actually due to a decision to focus all their attention on one area of the court: the rim. Instead of trying to defend everywhere, the Bucks really defend the most important area and let the chips fall where they may otherwise.

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Maybe this article will shine light on our defensive strategy. 

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/12/24/21035620/milwaukee-bucks-defense-rim-protection-three-pointers-stats-giannis-lopez-brothers

Defense, along with Giannis Antetokounmpo, explains Milwaukee’s status as the NBA’s best team. Through Christmas, the Bucks are allowing fewer points per 100 possessions than any NBA team since the 2015-16 Spurs. But the Bucks’ strategy isn’t due to an adaptive approach that prioritizes the entire court equally. It’s actually due to a decision to focus all their attention on one area of the court: the rim. Instead of trying to defend everywhere, the Bucks really defend the most important area and let the chips fall where they may otherwise.

in jenkns system he prioritizes the rim and 3pt line and gives up mid range jumpers...only problem is that teams mostly aren't taking those long jumpers instead there getting to the rim anyways or taking floaters.

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3 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Yea its hard to dispute that his offensive improvements aren't a great thing.    But his defensive schemes leave a lot to be desired.   Maybe improvements in personnel can make it look better. 

 

2 hours ago, UkGrizz said:

Of course, it's a process though, he seems to have the offense going as he'd like it now.

jenkins may just be one of those coaches that need a defensive specialise as an assistant.

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6 minutes ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

 

jenkins may just be one of those coaches that need a defensive specialise as an assistant.

Or it could be that the team doesn't have a lot of great defensive players...

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1 minute ago, chipc3 said:

Or it could be that the team doesn't have a lot of great defensive players...

i thought you blocked me...anyways...maybe jenkins isn't a good defensive coach like Mike D'Antoni doesn't mean i think he won't become a good coach..and i don't no what you idea of ALOT of great defensive players but we do have a few

melton

slowmo

3js

crowder

clarke

 

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4 minutes ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

i thought you blocked me...anyways...maybe jenkins isn't a good defensive coach like Mike D'Antoni doesn't mean i think he won't become a good coach..and i don't no what you idea of ALOT of great defensive players but we do have a few

melton

slowmo

3js

crowder

clarke

How do you define a great defensive player? JJJ has only recently been able to stay on the court and has a defensive player rating of 113.9, Clarke is an undersized rookie with a rating of 109.9, Melton barely played until recently and is among the team's best at 103.8, SLoMo hasn't been on the court that much and has a rating of 108.7. Crowder is a career backup with a rating of 113.3.

Any number above 100 isn't a great player by NBA statistical measure but I am sure you have your own ideas and don't bother with the stats. Since the players you mentioned don't rate as great defensive players how do you define it? 

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For a young team, they are probably above average on defense.  In defensive rating, they are 24th, but not that far behind the Spurs(111.2 - 111.9), who were top 5 a couple years ago (104.1).

Spurs have been consistent in coaching.  Sometimes it is the talent.

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9 hours ago, chipc3 said:

How do you define a great defensive player? JJJ has only recently been able to stay on the court and has a defensive player rating of 113.9, Clarke is an undersized rookie with a rating of 109.9, Melton barely played until recently and is among the team's best at 103.8, SLoMo hasn't been on the court that much and has a rating of 108.7. Crowder is a career backup with a rating of 113.3.

Any number above 100 isn't a great player by NBA statistical measure but I am sure you have your own ideas and don't bother with the stats. Since the players you mentioned don't rate as great defensive players how do you define it? 

well all those guys had a reputation of being great defenders until they played under jenkins...so just maybe its jenkins...and jenkins not giving two of his best defenders playing time is all on him.

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10 hours ago, chipc3 said:

How do you define a great defensive player? JJJ has only recently been able to stay on the court and has a defensive player rating of 113.9, Clarke is an undersized rookie with a rating of 109.9, Melton barely played until recently and is among the team's best at 103.8, SLoMo hasn't been on the court that much and has a rating of 108.7. Crowder is a career backup with a rating of 113.3.

Any number above 100 isn't a great player by NBA statistical measure but I am sure you have your own ideas and don't bother with the stats. Since the players you mentioned don't rate as great defensive players how do you define it? 

31 minutes ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

well all those guys had a reputation of being great defenders until they played under jenkins...so just maybe its jenkins...and jenkins not giving two of his best defenders playing time is all on him.

I don't think this team values defense. i think this coaches philosophy is to do whatever to outscore the opponent not necessarily get stops. While I think his system is still developing, I think most "good" defenders would regress in this system. I don't think it emphasizes good defense at all. 

 

 

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