Sign in to follow this  
Kevin B Moses

If the grizzlies get the number 2 pick in the draft, I would trade all our draft picks and any player not Ja for James Wiseman

Recommended Posts

^^^^

I would ALSO run the same offense for Trae Young.  Get a pick and pop big man (which they don't really have), a Clarke type on the baseline for lobs (oops John Collins is suspended), then a corner 3 type (Cam Reddish or Hunter although Cam hasn't been able to hit the broad side of the barn since high school), with a drive/pass/shoot guy on the weak side -- well Cam can't dribble too well either and Hunter might not be there yet.  So, they are four guys short?  Huerter might be the weakside drive/pass/shoot guy on the weak side when they get back.

Luka: KP ain't the guy.  And, he is damaged goods and overpaid.  Plus, Mavs have no picks.  Luka Doncic could be the NBA's Mike Trout.  Best player in the league but no real success in the money rounds.  Mavs need a Jaren, a Clarke (Dwight Powell is in that role), then two wing players he trusts.  Although in Luka's case one of the wing players should be able to guard point guards AND wings, AND be able to hit the 3 and be a secondary scorer (those guys are hard to find).  

With Jaren Jackson, Jr. it looks like we drafted our third option in a Big Three FIRST -- but it still might work out for us!  Ja looks like the Option 1 or Option 1a deluxe, alpha lead guard that ALL teams need.  Brandon Clarke looks like a great core guy, then with those 3 add a 2020 or 2021 high lottery pick to that and you are in good shape.  Then with that core, your role players should look better (assuming they can shoot).  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, King Dork said:

Tell that to the Lakers who don’t give a dang about the wings. Put LeBron at PG and AD down low and get shooters. Memphis needs to follow that Blueprint. Morant with the ball and James down low and shooters all around. 

LBJ is a shooter, defender, ball handler, etc. and then you say get shooters, just what I said we need.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Well that settles it. Put me on board with doing the exact opposite of whatever this ^^ guy advises regarding the NBA draft.

A mere week or so before the 2018 draft your "big board" had among other things:

1 JJJ graded as a second round pick

2 Luca in the 8 hole

3 The Greek Freak's little bro in the 2 hole

4 Trae Young and Bagley outside of the lottery smh

Pretty sure you had Jordan Bone rated higher than our boy Ja last year too until it got closer to draft night...

With all that said I do enjoy reading your commentary. Carry on.

His JJJ might not be far off, Jackson needs to get his head on straight and learn how to stay on the court.

This is funny to bring back up though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, CoolHandGriz said:

I would still take Edwards over Wiseman 7 days a week, 365.

Edwards is better and if ya haven't noticed we've kinda needed a dominant wing since 2001.

But hey maybe your Jazz will draft him to be Gobert's backup...

Admittingly I have not seen Edwards yet. I will have plenty of time to see him through the course of the season. But a guy listed as 6'3" in college usually tends to be closer to 6'1" or 6'2". Even at 6'3", he better be super duper amazing if you want me to build around that guy as a WING.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, I❤️JV said:

Australia.

Illawarra Hawks specifically.

He hasnt done anything much yet.

Chip must be confused with RJ Hampton, he is playing with the NZ Breakers but they are part of the Australian league

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, I❤️JV said:

Yeah, but I still don't get what's so hot about him. He left the US to play for a minor team in Lithuania where he had abysmal numbers and ended leaving in a huff (as far as I understand because his father though he wasn't "showcased" enough). Then he went to play in a league organized by his father where shockingly he was the biggest star. Then back to high school and then to Australia, where he's playing for the worst team in the NBL and shooting a scorching 32% from the field.

What on Earth has he ever done to be considered a top pick?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
34 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

Yeah, but I still don't get what's so hot about him. He left the US to play for a minor team in Lithuania where he had abysmal numbers and ended leaving in a huff (as far as I understand because his father though he wasn't "showcased" enough). Then he went to play in a league organized by his father where shockingly he was the biggest star. Then back to high school and then to Australia, where he's playing for the worst team in the NBL and shooting a scorching 32% from the field.

What on Earth has he ever done to be considered a top pick?

he won't be

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Draft Wiseman use da money to sign a wing

Tyus/Dillon/Kyle/Clarke/Jonas would be one of the best benches in the league. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, lsugrizzfan said:

Admittingly I have not seen Edwards yet. I will have plenty of time to see him through the course of the season. But a guy listed as 6'3" in college usually tends to be closer to 6'1" or 6'2". Even at 6'3", he better be super duper amazing if you want me to build around that guy as a WING.

He's listed at 6'5 on the Georgia website...

Did anybody catch his first game? Whoo boy. All over the floor and 5-7 from 3.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Maybe we are all jumping the gun a bit. Edwards hasn't been seen by most posters. Wiseman has one game against South Carolina State. Ball is playing in New Zealand. Let's wait a few months and watch these guys play before making dogmatic proclamations that will just get thrown in our faces later. 

Real talk Chip, why are you always trying to tell folks what to do? It's a friggin message board, get over yourself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

He's listed at 6'5 on the Georgia website...

Did anybody catch his first game? Whoo boy. All over the floor and 5-7 from 3.

I saw the highlights.  Good shooter.  Ball dominant.  Does he do the little things?  If we get him he has to share the back court with Morant and add defense and more off-the-ball stuff (passing/rebounding).  Looks like a good/not great athlete, decent explosion but not D Rose.  At 3 or 4 he would be good -- but who goes 1/2?

Still intrigued by Deni and Achiuwa.  Obviously gotta take Wiseman if he is still on the board, but maybe you trade down if you end up with Cole Anthony (legit, but basically a point guard) or Anthony Edwards (if you have other players rated just as highly).  

If Achiuwa gives you elite defense and motor, with some secondary ball skills, rebounding, and a workable 3 point shot (corner 3 point shooter?) then I think we should put him HIGHER on our board than maybe some other teams' boards.  Especially if he ends up being something like a legit 6'9 with a great wingspan.  

Or, maybe we wind up in the 4-6 range, but given that we will have to pay Ja THE BIG BUCKS as well as Jaren, Dillon, and Clarke maybe you trade down to round out "the core".  It might be hard just paying those four guys (Ja/Jaren/Dillon/Clarke).  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, ALT GRIND said:

I saw the highlights.  Good shooter.  Ball dominant.  Does he do the little things?  If we get him he has to share the back court with Morant and add defense and more off-the-ball stuff (passing/rebounding).  Looks like a good/not great athlete, decent explosion but not D Rose.  At 3 or 4 he would be good -- but who goes 1/2?

Still intrigued by Deni and Achiuwa.  Obviously gotta take Wiseman if he is still on the board, but maybe you trade down if you end up with Cole Anthony (legit, but basically a point guard) or Anthony Edwards (if you have other players rated just as highly).  

If Achiuwa gives you elite defense and motor, with some secondary ball skills, rebounding, and a workable 3 point shot (corner 3 point shooter?) then I think we should put him HIGHER on our board than maybe some other teams' boards.  Especially if he ends up being something like a legit 6'9 with a great wingspan.  

Or, maybe we wind up in the 4-6 range, but given that we will have to pay Ja THE BIG BUCKS as well as Jaren, Dillon, and Clarke maybe you trade down to round out "the core".  It might be hard just paying those four guys (Ja/Jaren/Dillon/Clarke).  

Cole Anthony is the real deal. He's ready for the league right now imo.

Obviously the jury's still out on Edwards intangibles. I'm sure we'll learn more on those later in the schedule when things get tougher.

Deni is very interesting to me as well. I think Achiuwa is a later first round pick at this point. We'll see.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

 

Obviously the jury's still out on Edwards intangibles. I'm sure we'll learn more on those later in the schedule when things get tougher.

 

Just looks like a high usage/high volume 2 guard.  Not crafty like James Harden yet though (that would help).  Nice jumper.  

I am trying to think of guys who would be IDEAL FITS for us.  You obviously have Ja as the future (maybe of the entire league, too).  So I kinda want an elite pick and roll lob threat OR a dynamic, big, versatile wing who can shoot.  I think shooting specialists can be had cheaper if you look elsewhere (2nd round).  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, ALT GRIND said:

Just looks like a high usage/high volume 2 guard.  Not crafty like James Harden yet though (that would help).  Nice jumper.  

I am trying to think of guys who would be IDEAL FITS for us.  You obviously have Ja as the future (maybe of the entire league, too).  So I kinda want an elite pick and roll lob threat OR a dynamic, big, versatile wing who can shoot.  I think shooting specialists can be had cheaper if you look elsewhere (2nd round).  

Someone mentioned Oladipo earlier. I think that's a spot on comparison. Edwards seems to be a little thicker and not as shifty but I would say both fit the requirement of versatile. We'll see.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, CoolHandGriz said:

He's listed at 6'5 on the Georgia website...

Draftsite.com has him listed as 6'3". Yahoo has him listed as 6'4". ESPN has him at 6'5" on the Georgia page. Hopefully he is 6'5". All I know is take the best player available regardless of position. But if two players are tied, take the one who has plus size for his position.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, lsugrizzfan said:

Draftsite.com has him listed as 6'3". Yahoo has him listed as 6'4". ESPN has him at 6'5" on the Georgia page. Hopefully he is 6'5". All I know is take the best player available regardless of position. But if two players are tied, take the one who has plus size for his position.

Yeah it's pretty much like that with any player. I remember when Charles Barkley was supposed to be 6'7.

Best player in the draft might just be a true PG in Cole Anthony. Would you be  comfortable taking him over Wiseman and Edwards if that were definitely the case? Legitimately asking.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Yeah it's pretty much like that with any player. I remember when Charles Barkley was supposed to be 6'7.

Best player in the draft might just be a true PG in Cole Anthony. Would you be  comfortable taking him over Wiseman and Edwards if that were definitely the case? Legitimately asking.

I guess you do it and hope for a Portland style set of guards but hope they can be better defensively. Or you trade down if you think it's close and the assets you get for moving down outweigh the talent difference. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Yeah it's pretty much like that with any player. I remember when Charles Barkley was supposed to be 6'7.

Best player in the draft might just be a true PG in Cole Anthony. Would you be  comfortable taking him over Wiseman and Edwards if that were definitely the case? Legitimately asking.

An Anthony/Morant backcourt would likely get killed on the defensive end. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Real talk Chip, why are you always trying to tell folks what to do? It's a friggin message board, get over yourself.

It's the first week of the college basketball season and people are acting like their minds are made up already. All I am saying is give these guys a little time. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Joey Crawford said:

With our lower draft choice, if he is still available, Mac Mclung.

We need a mid to late first either Scottie Lewis or Cassius Stanley. Both have good size and great athletes, I think Scottie has the IT factor. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Yeah it's pretty much like that with any player. I remember when Charles Barkley was supposed to be 6'7.

Best player in the draft might just be a true PG in Cole Anthony. Would you be  comfortable taking him over Wiseman and Edwards if that were definitely the case? Legitimately asking.

No, because it would be a lot of money to be committed when we already have Ja Morant as a lot of money commitment - for the same position.

I would go with Mac Mclung, as a third option Grizzly point guard - if he is available in our lower draft options.    Tyus Jones is the second option Grizzly's point guard - so there is no sense in rocking the boat with Cole Anthony.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this