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What Can Be Done to Keep JJJ on the floor? What Options Do We Have?

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2 hours ago, Rdk4121 said:

Yes, he has to play through it. I'm sure he wants to play more than what he is now, and the only way he can learn that is essentially figuring out what is preventing him from playing. I don't care if he fouls out every game, the more situations he sees means the more situations he can learn what to do. 

Agreed. I think we all can agree there’s no denying his competitive drive. IMO, allowing him to foul out should be enough to get him to realize he needs to play smarter defense and he is no good to this organization on the bench.

I say no to sending him down and yes to playing through the fouls. Besides it makes no difference, he’ll still be off the court but at least he’ll still be with team building chemistry with the his newer teammates.

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Other than Phoenix being a MUST WIN game, we need to figure it out with BOTH Jacksons' -- Jaren AND Josh.

I am thinking that my ALT GRIND FAB FIVE gets the youth movement going with ADDED LENGTH and defense on the wing:  I am gonna go with Ja Morant, Josh Jackson, Brandon Clarke, Jaren, and Jonas.

Jaren gets the most shot attempts, Ja second, Jonas third, Josh 4th and Brandon Clarke 5th.

6th man: Dillon Brooks.

Gonzo ALT GRIND bench mob: Tyus Jones, Grayson Allen, Solomon Hill, Jae Crowder, and your point-center Kyle "Slo Mo" Anderson.

Marko, Konchar, Yuta, and Melton get some burn down in the G League.

Trade Iggy ASAP and try to get as many 2nd round picks as possible.  The only thing better than bad picks is A LOT of bad picks.

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its simple...3js really isn;t a good defender...his best defensive attributies are perimeter defense and shot blocking...his post defense is horrible...let him guard wings and stop trying to turn him into some brute center instead of a wing and the fouls will go away.

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

I don't believe he is unable to improve. I don't believe he put in the requisite work to improve. 

https://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/grind-city-media/mikecheck-team-usa-workouts-help-jaren-jackson-jr-build-momentum-sophomore-nba-season-190807

"Every step of the way, from attending coach Taylor Jenkins’ introductory press conference to checking up daily on teammates through offseason development plans, Jackson has taken a leadership role."

"And he's kept himself busy by being on the go lately. Jackson arrived in Vegas for Team USA after spending time with other young NBA players in a training camp run by recently-retired NBA star Dwyane Wade. Also, Jackson had participated in workouts and private scrimmages in New York with several NBA veterans, including Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul. And before that, there were the various camp visits Jackson made, including one alongside his former college teammates at Michigan State, to work with kids.

And now he's back in Vegas, a month after working out with some of his Grizzlies' teammates and supporting their run to July's summer league title."

He may not have worked on the fouling issue, but I think it's unfair to say he didn't put in work over the summer. Do we all wish he had come into this season fouling less and playing more minutes? Yes, of course. But it's pretty wild to me how folks are already proclaiming that Jaren will never be an alpha, that he seems more concerned with media appearances than working on his game, that he lacks hunger to improve, etc. The guy is a month younger than Ja, a full 3 year younger than Brandon Clarke and over a year younger than other players that are just rookies this year.

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IIRC, we ran a play for Jaren on the first possession of the season. It seemed like he was coming off a pick near the key, and received the ball going downhill towards the hoop. Now, he immediately dribbled the ball out of bounds off his leg, BUT the play itself was solid. Like I couldn’t remember a similar set like this from last year. I wish we’d run plays like this for him more often - let JJJ attack and put fouls on his defenders before they can do the same to him...

Or he can keep “spacing” to the opposite corner, and rarely get the ball...

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2 hours ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

its simple...3js really isn;t a good defender...his best defensive attributies are perimeter defense and shot blocking...his post defense is horrible...let him guard wings and stop trying to turn him into some brute center instead of a wing and the fouls will go away.

I think he is even worst guarding the perimeter. he will grab and hold the offensive player with the ball when they get by him. That's an automatic foul. One of his biggest problems is being caught holding the defense when he is out of position.

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3 hours ago, chipc3 said:

The problem isn’t the number of total games played. The problem for me is the lack of improvement from one season to the next. 

Honestly I have seen some improvement,  but his natural instinct kicks in and he tries to block the shot 

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Shouldn't we be a little more patient with seeing whether or not he improves.  He hasn't been in foul trouble every game and we have only played FOUR FREAKIN' GAMES!  C'mon people, four games?!!?  I think we're overreacting here.

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Let’s try something...

Coaches and skills trainers :

tie 13’s wrists together and have the guys come at him one on one and weak side help. 
 

arms stick above his head (verticality ... spell check says this isn’t a word but whatever)

forces him to use his feet and get in position to make a play..

 

but to send him down to the gleague to stop fouling sends a clear message- our coaches and training staff can’t teach an athletic big who was the #4 pick in last years draft how to take the next step .

 

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so i decided to see what it looks like when he does get it right...and this might sound crazy but it might have something to do with jumping...most of his fouls come from bodying people up or reaching...in the highlights most  of his blocks come from him jumping and using his wingspan and actually giving the offensive player some room...them teaching him to stay big my actually be doing more harm than good.

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This is why I hated that he missed the last quarter of the season. That’s prime development time. I 100% believe he could’ve played in the last 7 or so games at least. 

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His game has improved since being a rook, the real question I have is that is he being asked to do things he is not good at yet?  I think he is and we are going to see struggles as he learns to do them.

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17 hours ago, ACGrizz said:

https://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/grind-city-media/mikecheck-team-usa-workouts-help-jaren-jackson-jr-build-momentum-sophomore-nba-season-190807

"Every step of the way, from attending coach Taylor Jenkins’ introductory press conference to checking up daily on teammates through offseason development plans, Jackson has taken a leadership role."

"And he's kept himself busy by being on the go lately. Jackson arrived in Vegas for Team USA after spending time with other young NBA players in a training camp run by recently-retired NBA star Dwyane Wade. Also, Jackson had participated in workouts and private scrimmages in New York with several NBA veterans, including Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul. And before that, there were the various camp visits Jackson made, including one alongside his former college teammates at Michigan State, to work with kids.

And now he's back in Vegas, a month after working out with some of his Grizzlies' teammates and supporting their run to July's summer league title."

He may not have worked on the fouling issue, but I think it's unfair to say he didn't put in work over the summer. Do we all wish he had come into this season fouling less and playing more minutes? Yes, of course. But it's pretty wild to me how folks are already proclaiming that Jaren will never be an alpha, that he seems more concerned with media appearances than working on his game, that he lacks hunger to improve, etc. The guy is a month younger than Ja, a full 3 year younger than Brandon Clarke and over a year younger than other players that are just rookies this year.

Read this section carefully and tell me if you believe JJJ spent more time looking like a leader and enjoying his role as the face of the franchise or working on improving his game so he could contribute more this season?

I don’t believe he is an alpha because it’s very difficult to be an alpha when you don’t control the ball. That is Ja’s role.

JJJ needs to be Scottie. Pippen to Ja’s Michael Jordan. To do that he has to work on his footwork, his rebounding, his passing and his ball handling. He doesn’t need to be flying all over the country doing PR promos during summer league, running camps for kids and attending g press conferences (unless he is already there for workouts I suppose). 

JJJ played the superstar celebrity this past summer. Hopefully he’ll spend next summer working on the parts of his game that will make him a NBA superstar. 

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20 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Read this section carefully and tell me if you believe JJJ spent more time looking like a leader and enjoying his role as the face of the franchise or working on improving his game so he could contribute more this season?

I don’t believe he is an alpha because it’s very difficult to be an alpha when you don’t control the ball. That is Ja’s role.

JJJ needs to be Scottie. Pippen to Ja’s Michael Jordan. To do that he has to work on his footwork, his rebounding, his passing and his ball handling. He doesn’t need to be flying all over the country doing PR promos during summer league, running camps for kids and attending g press conferences (unless he is already there for workouts I suppose). 

JJJ played the superstar celebrity this past summer. Hopefully he’ll spend next summer working on the parts of his game that will make him a NBA superstar. 

Do you think that maybe the Grizzlies FO wanted him to drum up some fan interest and he was doing it at their request?

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According to Cleaning the Glass's advanced stats, Jaren fouled someone on 5.9% of his defensive possessions last season which was in the 16th percentile in the league. This season he's committed a foul in 9.5% of his defensive possessions which is the 6th percentile...

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21 minutes ago, BTiger3733 said:

According to Cleaning the Glass's advanced stats, Jaren fouled someone on 5.9% of his defensive possessions last season which was in the 16th percentile in the league. This season he's committed a foul in 9.5% of his defensive possessions which is the 6th percentile...

Fouls are up league wide. Jaren has to play through foul trouble.  Too much potential on offense to be worried about foul trouble — he shouldn’t have the mentality of a 3 and D specialist either.

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45 minutes ago, ALT GRIND said:

Fouls are up league wide. Jaren has to play through foul trouble.  Too much potential on offense to be worried about foul trouble — he shouldn’t have the mentality of a 3 and D specialist either.

What should stick out is him being in the 6th percentile which factors out the league wide increased fouls

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39 minutes ago, BTiger3733 said:

What should stick out is him being in the 6th percentile which factors out the league wide increased fouls

FOUR GAMES.  Be patient.  He's really only had foul trouble in two games, I think.  He only had three in the CHI game, and I think most of his fouls in the MIA game were so late in the game that they were not an issue.  Give it some time.

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In the MIA game Jaren's first foul came with 10:10 remaining in the third period.  That's pretty good.  He did commit two more in the third, and two more in the fourth though.

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15 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Read this section carefully and tell me if you believe JJJ spent more time looking like a leader and enjoying his role as the face of the franchise or working on improving his game so he could contribute more this season?

I don’t believe he is an alpha because it’s very difficult to be an alpha when you don’t control the ball. That is Ja’s role.

JJJ needs to be Scottie. Pippen to Ja’s Michael Jordan. To do that he has to work on his footwork, his rebounding, his passing and his ball handling. He doesn’t need to be flying all over the country doing PR promos during summer league, running camps for kids and attending g press conferences (unless he is already there for workouts I suppose). 

JJJ played the superstar celebrity this past summer. Hopefully he’ll spend next summer working on the parts of his game that will make him a NBA superstar. 

Jenkins should have spent more time in the off season and preseason looking at Jaren's game last season. And JV's game last season after being traded to us. They are both being misused in this new system.

I know this thread started about Jaren's fouls but I'm hijacking it momentarily to put this theory up for discussion and analysis:

Both Jaren and JV are getting diminished touches because the focus of this year's offense is launching 3s.

We are taking more 3s per game than last year, but we are making less per game than last year.

Jaren is on the perimeter and being guarded by wings.

Check out his shooting stats here 

https://stats.nba.com/player/1628991/

Jaren is taking more 3 attempts this year than last year, but he is making less 3s this year than last year.

His percentage of total points scored per game coming from 3s is higher this year than last year - even though he is making less 3s per game. Huh?

And his %of total points scored from FTs is less this year than last year.

Granted its only a 5 game sample but I say:

This confirms the eye test - he is being camped out on the perimeter or corner, and he is not playing in the paint. He ain't being used right.

It's even more noticeable with JV looking at these same markers as above

https://stats.nba.com/player/202685/

He ain't being used right either.

Jaren is being used as a perimeter big, or stretch C or whatever BS term, but that's not his game, or what made him good last year

But coaching doesn't matter right?

Nah, It's because of going to discos, instagram, and fishing, right?

 

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15 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

Ja and Jaren were at Game Day. One fan had a Grizzlies jersey on. Honest. It was on TV.

I had on my Grizz hat and Tigers hoodie ! 
All over the Jumbotron!!!

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