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I am looking at 2016 draft and trying to find Diamonds,Busts and players Grizz can target next summer. (it's dog days of summer and i am bored).

UNDRAFTED PLAYERS STILL IN NBA

               0️Two Way Players

1.Josh Gray 26 New Orleans Pelicans

2.Damion Lee 26 Golden State Warriors

              0.5Minimum Non Guaranteed 

3.Shaquille Harrison 25 Chicago Bulls $898,310 ($175,000)

             1Minimum

4.Derrick Jones Jr. 22 Miami Heat $1,645,357

5.David Nwaba 26 Brooklyn Nets $1,678,854

            1.5

6.Alex Caruso 25 Los Angeles Lakers $2,750,000

7.Ryan Arcidiacono 25 Chicago Bulls $3,000,000

8.Yogi Ferrell 26 Sacramento Kings $3,150,000

9.Danuel House 26 Houston Rockets $3,540,000

10.Dorian Finney-Smith 26 Dallas Mavericks $4,000,000

No one from these players can move a needle for the Grizz.

2.5-3️SOLID NBA PLAYER

11.Bryn Forbes 26 San Antonio Spurs $2,875,000

Bryn Forbes review

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2019/5/17/18617545/2018-2019-spurs-player-reviews-bryn-forbes

Solid 2.5option for the Grizz. Fantastic volume 3P shooter not the best defender a bit undersized for shooting guard and 26 years old.

My prediction 8-12 mil. range. Can he move a needle for the Memphis? I would say yes but for 26y old.

From all undrafted 2016 class best fit.

UNDRAFTED DIAMOND #1   3.5

12.Fred VanVleet 25 Toronto Raptors $9,346,153

Fred VanVleet review

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2019/06/28/2018-19-player-review-fred-vanvleet/

https://www.raptorshq.com/2019/6/28/18715079/toronto-raptors-2018-19-player-review-fred-vanvleet

Best undrafted player by a mile. My prediction 14-18 mil. range next summer. He would never come to Memphis as a back up. As a starting PG we have Ja. 

2016 UNDRAFTED GUYS.

1      3.5DIAMOND

1     2.5SOLID NBA PLAYER 

5 Fringe rotation players.

2 Minimum contract players.

1 PLAYER WITH NON GUARANTEED CONTRACT

2 TWO WAY PLAYERS

 

SECOND ROUND PICKS 2016

30 PICKS

NEVER PLAYED IN NBA 6

35# Rade Zagorac

39# David Michineau

44# Isaïa Cordinier

53# Petr Cornelie

57# Wang Zhelin

59# Isaiah Cousins

NOT IN NBA ANYMORE 15

#31 Deyonta Davis

#34 Tyler Ulis

#37 Chinanu Onuaku

#40 Diamond Stone

#41 Stephen Zimmerman

#42 Isaiah Whitehead

#43 Zhou Qi

#46 A. J. Hammons

#48 Paul Zipser

#49 Michael Gbinije

#51 Ben Bentil

#52 Joel Bolomboy

#54 Kay Felder

#55 Marcus Paige

#56 Daniel Hamilton

           0Exhibit-10 Minimum Player Non Guaranteed 

#45 Demetrius Jackson 24 Los Angeles Lakers $1,620,564

        0.5Minimum Non Guaranteed 

#60 Tyrone Wallace 25 Minnesota Timberwolves $1,588,231

# 50 Georges Niang 26 Utah Jazz $1,678,854

        1Minimum

#58 Abdel Nader 26 Oklahoma City Thunder $1,618,520

#33 Cheick Diallo 23 Phoenix Suns $1,678,854

     1.5

#47 Jake Layman 25 Minnesota Timberwolves $3,581,986

#38 Patrick McCaw 23 Toronto Raptors $4,000,000

3️SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

#32 Ivica Zubac 22 Los Angeles Clippers $6,481,482

Decent back up Center still young  but signed  3 yr(s) / $21,000,000 with Los Angeles Clippers.

SECOND ROUND DIAMOND #1     4

#36 Malcolm Brogdon 26 Indiana Pacers $20,000,000

Fantastic combo guard unfortunately signed 4 yr(s) / $85,000,000 with Indiana Pacers.

SECOND ROUND PICKS 2016

30 PICKS

1    4️ DIAMOND

1    3young back up Center.

2 Fringe rotation players.

2 Minimum contract players.

3 Non Guaranteed players.

21 Busts not in NBA.

NOTHING FOR THE GRIZZ

Undrafted did better than 2nd round picks in 2016. Just shows low probability to hit with a second rounder.

FIRST ROUND PICKS 2016

NON LOTTERY 16 PICKS

BUSTS NOT IN NBA ANYMORE 5

#16 Guerschon Yabusele

#17 Wade Baldwin IV

#22 Malachi Richardson

#24 Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot

#25 Brice Johnson

BUSTS IN LAST CHANCE SALOON PROBABLY OUT OF NBA NEXT SUMMER 5

#18 Henry Ellenson 22 Brooklyn Nets 2 WAY

#21 DeAndre' Bembry 25 Atlanta Hawks

#26 Furkan Korkmaz 22 Philadelphia 76ers

#28 Skal Labissière 23 Portland Trail Blazers

#30 Damian Jones 24 Atlanta Hawks

FIGHTING FOR NBA LIFE 50/50 TO STAY IN NBA 2

#15 Juan Hernangómez 23 Denver Nuggets

#23 Ante Žižić 22 Cleveland Cavaliers

3️SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

#19 Malik Beasley 22 Denver Nuggets GRIZZ COULD TARGET

Solid to very good shooting guard Grizz could try overpay Denver.

3-3.5️SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

#29 Dejounte Murray 22 San Antonio Spurs.

Grizz has no need of PG.

3.5️SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

#20 Caris LeVert 25 Brooklyn Nets

Perfect for the Grizz unfortunately signed 3/$52,500,000 extension with Brooklyn Nets

FIRST ROUND NON LOTTERY DIAMOND #1     4.5

#27 Pascal Siakam 25 Toronto Raptors

Perfect for the Grizz unfortunately will get a max from Toronto Raptors

FIRST ROUND PICKS 2016

NON LOTTERY 16 PICKS

1    4.5️ DIAMOND

3    3-3.5SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

2 FIGHTING FOR NBA LIFE 50/50 TO STAY IN NBA 

BUSTS IN LAST CHANCE SALOON PROBABLY OUT OF NBA NEXT SUMMER

5 BUSTS NOT IN NBA ANYMORE

FIRST ROUND PICKS 2016

LOTTERY 14 PICKS

BUSTS NOT IN NBA ANYMORE 2

#8 Marquese Chriss

#13 Georgios Papagiannis

BUSTS IN LAST CHANCE SALOON PROBABLY OUT OF NBA NEXT SUMMER 2

#10 Thon Maker

#14 Denzel Valentine

FIGHTING FOR NBA LIFE 50/50 TO STAY IN NBA 2

#4 Dragan Bender

#5 Kris Dunn

3️SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

#9 Jakob Pöltl  23 San Antonio Spurs.

Solid option for the Grizz as a backup Center but he won't come as a backup and we have better option as a starter.

#12 Taurean Prince 25 Brooklyn Nets GRIZZ COULD TARGET

Solid not spectacular option at Small Forward.

FIRST ROUND LOTTERY DIAMONDS     4

#3 Jaylen Brown 22 Boston Celtics  SHOULD BE GRIZZ  TARGET NUMBER 1

Jaylen Brown should be GRIZZ number 1 target. Grizz FO should offer MAX as soon as possible. Is he worth the max? NO he is about y/20 mil. player but Boston are cheap and there is a chance (small one) they will not match. Grizz needs to offer the Max and hope for the best.

#Brandon Ingram 21 New Orleans Pelicans SHOULD BE GRIZZ  TARGET NUMBER 2

Brandon Ingram should be GRIZZ number 2 target. Grizz FO should offer MAX as soon as possible. Is he worth the max? NO he is about y/20 mil. player but if there is even small chance  Pelicans will not match Grizz should go for it and offer the Max. Offering Max to Ingram is a little more risk because of his health but you can't play cap space at Small Forward.

#6 Buddy Hield 26 Sacramento Kings

I am 99.99% sure Kings will extend him or match any offer.

#11 Domantas Sabonis 23 Indiana Pacers

I have on good authority that Domas will be extended before the season 4y/72-80 mil.

FIRST ROUND LOTTERY DIAMONDS     4.5

#1 Ben Simmons 23 Philadelphia 76ers

Extended to the Max  Philadelphia 76ers

#7 Jamal Murray 22 Denver Nuggets

Extended to the Max Denver Nuggets

FIRST ROUND PICKS 2016

LOTTERY 14 PICKS

2    4.5️ DIAMOND

4    4️ DIAMOND

2    3-3.5SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

2 FIGHTING FOR NBA LIFE 50/50 TO STAY IN NBA 

BUSTS IN LAST CHANCE SALOON PROBABLY OUT OF NBA NEXT SUMMER 

2 BUSTS NOT IN NBA ANYMORE

 

2016 NBA DRAFT GAVE 16 GOOD PLAYERS

1 ALL STAR 

#1 Ben Simmons 23 Philadelphia 76ers

Extended to the Max  Philadelphia 76ers

2 PROBABLE ALL STARS

#27 Pascal Siakam 25 Toronto Raptors

Perfect for the Grizz unfortunately will get a max from Toronto Raptors.

#7 Jamal Murray 22 Denver Nuggets

Extended to the Max Denver Nuggets.

5 POSSIBLE  ALL STARS

#3 Jaylen Brown 22 Boston Celtics  SHOULD BE GRIZZ  TARGET NUMBER 1

Jaylen Brown should be GRIZZ number 1 target. Grizz FO should offer MAX as soon as possible. Is he worth the max? NO he is about y/20 mil. player but Boston are cheap and there is a chance (small one) they will not match. Grizz needs to offer the Max and hope for the best.

#Brandon Ingram 21 New Orleans Pelicans SHOULD BE GRIZZ  TARGET NUMBER 2

Brandon Ingram should be GRIZZ number 2 target. Grizz FO should offer MAX as soon as possible. Is he worth the max? NO he is about y/20 mil. player but if there is even small chance  Pelicans will not match Grizz should go for it and offer the Max. Offering Max to Ingram is a little more risk because of his health but you can't play cap space at Small Forward.

#6 Buddy Hield 26 Sacramento Kings

I am 99.99% sure Kings will extend him or match any offer.

#11 Domantas Sabonis 23 Indiana Pacers

I have on good authority that Domas will be extended before the season 4y/72-80 mil.

#36 Malcolm Brogdon 26 Indiana Pacers $20,000,000

Fantastic combo guard unfortunately signed 4 yr(s) / $85,000,000 with Indiana Pacers.

SOLID NBA PLAYERS WITH POTENTIAL

#9 Jakob Pöltl  23 San Antonio Spurs.

Solid option for the Grizz as a backup Center but he won't come as a backup and we have better option as a starter.

#12 Taurean Prince 25 Brooklyn Nets GRIZZ COULD TARGET

Solid not spectacular option at Small Forward.

#19 Malik Beasley 22 Denver Nuggets GRIZZ COULD TARGET

Solid to very good shooting guard Grizz could try overpay Denver.

#29 Dejounte Murray 22 San Antonio Spurs.

Grizz has no need of PG.

#20 Caris LeVert 25 Brooklyn Nets

Perfect for the Grizz unfortunately signed 3/$52,500,000 extension with Brooklyn Nets.

#32 Ivica Zubac 22 Los Angeles Clippers $6,481,482

Decent back up Center still young  but signed  3 yr(s) / $21,000,000 with Los Angeles Clippers.

Fred VanVleet 25 Toronto Raptors

Best undrafted player by a mile. My prediction 14-18 mil. range next summer. He would never come to Memphis as a back up. As a starting PG we have Ja.

Bryn Forbes 26 San Antonio Spurs 

Solid 2.5option for the Grizz. Fantastic volume 3P shooter not the best defender a bit undersized for shooting guard and 26 years old.

My prediction 8-12 mil. range. Can he move a needle for the Memphis? I would say yes but for 26y old.

From all undrafted 2016 class best fit.

P.S. THIS WAS STUPID....I AM SO STUPID

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, BLUEandGOLD said:

Honestly, this was a pretty darn good breakdown and an enjoyable read. Thanks! I wish I had this much time on my hands!

I wish I had time to read all of that he wrote! 

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😋 the formatting was a bit difficult to follow, but appreciate you pulling together. Going to take some time to read through this as it's nice to have all the info collected in one spot.

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1 hour ago, BLUEandGOLD said:

Honestly, this was a pretty darn good breakdown and an enjoyable read. Thanks! I wish I had this much time on my hands!

Agree with this.  Good stuff.

 

Thanks for sharing. I agree with most of your assessments. 

 

Kind of scary to risk everything on overpaying Brandon Ingram but I could see it happening. 

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Lots of information here .

Thanks ... the detail is remarkable.

 

oh ... yeah 

Uhhh... well ... rules say no personal attacks...

And you personally attacked - yourself

i mean it’s a huge font and it’s red ... kinda hard to miss 😏

rules are rules

as this is your first misstep i think a verbal warning will suffice

”no name calling .no attacking the poster”

there .

im going back to read all of this before ALT GRIND gets ahold of this thread!

you two together ...

think we are gonna need a bigger board

💫🤣💫

 

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I wonder if the Levert extension might see more of these guys hitting RFA, the teams will see that as the benchmark price for negotiations and a fair few of these guys probably think they could get more on the market.

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No way I'd give Ingram a max. If I had to overpay, I'd rather go after Beasley. He's being underutilized at Denver

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BUSTS NOT IN NBA ANYMORE 5

#16 Guerschon Yabusele

#17 Wade Baldwin IV

#22 Malachi Richardson

#24 Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot

#25 Brice Johnson

Going over your list again and it appears you have Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot as out of the league but I believe he is playing for the Chicago Bulls after languishing behind Simmons and then Butler in Philly. 

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49 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Going over your list again and it appears you have Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot as out of the league but I believe he is playing for the Chicago Bulls after languishing behind Simmons and then Butler in Philly. 

not anymore...he is free agent.

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My number one guy is Jaylen Brown because of his two way potential and also that he tends to be a catch and shoot guy. Those guys are always easier to blend in- if Jaren and Ja become the stars we hope they are. Beasley is my second guy, but I am not sure how good of a defender he is and I think he will need the ball A LOT to make a leap to star level player. But his efficiency makes it easy to believe he can become a star.

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On 8/28/2019 at 12:39 AM, 10SC-2-TOKYO said:

Lots of information here .

Thanks ... the detail is remarkable.

 

oh ... yeah 

Uhhh... well ... rules say no personal attacks...

And you personally attacked - yourself

i mean it’s a huge font and it’s red ... kinda hard to miss 😏

rules are rules

as this is your first misstep i think a verbal warning will suffice

”no name calling .no attacking the poster”

there .

im going back to read all of this before ALT GRIND gets ahold of this thread!

you two together ...

think we are gonna need a bigger board

💫🤣💫

 

Hey I❤️JV - I don't know why you would say that your own post was stupid and then call yourself stupid. Your analysis was comprehensive and thoughtful. I hope you get bored more often! Cheers. Waiting for ALT GRIND to weigh in ...

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Boston trying to get Jaylen Brown extended, but...

1 Boston are Cheap and won't pay the max.

2 Brown is proud and has inflated value of himself...not going to take less than a max.

3 Memphis should offer the max even it's a overpay.

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8 hours ago, I❤️JV said:

Boston trying to get Jaylen Brown extended, but...

1 Boston are Cheap and won't pay the max.

2 Brown is proud and has inflated value of himself...not going to take less than a max.

3 Memphis should offer the max even it's a overpay.

That would be just part of a real dream scenario next year wouldn't it; Steal Jaylen away from the Celtics, draft Wiseman for maximum local hype, have Josh Jackson become what we're hoping he'll be;

Ja 

Jaylen

Josh

Jaren‎

James

Jonas wins sixth man of the year.‎

I'm hyped over the slim chance that it plays out like that.

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I'm sorry but nothing I've seen from Jaylen Brown suggests max deal. He's a dam good wing and i'd be excited to have him but he's not in that category of player imo.

As others have stated i'd rather get Beasley in RFA and/or draft Edwards or Hampton if available. Bogdanovic in Sac would be a reasonable option as well.

I do think it's a moot point on Brown though. Most accounts have the Celts ponying up for him next year.

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On 9/5/2019 at 1:14 PM, CoolHandGriz said:

I'm sorry but nothing I've seen from Jaylen Brown suggests max deal. He's a dam good wing and i'd be excited to have him but he's not in that category of player imo.

As others have stated i'd rather get Beasley in RFA and/or draft Edwards or Hampton if available. Bogdanovic in Sac would be a reasonable option as well.

I do think it's a moot point on Brown though. Most accounts have the Celts ponying up for him next year.

You don't offer Brown a max deal, you will have zero chance of prying him away from Boston. Same with Beasley. You have to over pay on restricted free agents. Also now is the best time for the Grizz to overpay because Jaren and Ja are on rookie deals. 

I do think Jaylen Brown has shown the potential to be a Klay Thompson level player. He is a plus defender and when given the shots, he has produced at a higher level. In the playoffs two years ago, he was the number 2 option. He averaged 18 ppg with 39% from 3 with 6 attempts per game. While you think it is a moot point, everything I have read is the Celtics do not want to offer a full max to Brown due to the fact they are about to have to pay Tatum as well. 

I like Beasley. Last year he was the more prolific and efficient scorer. He is also an atrocious defender, which is why he can't beat out Gary Harris for the starting job. I would not be mad if the team went after Beasley. I would just prefer Brown due to him being a better defender and his fit with this team (he's not ball dominant). I wouldn't be mad with Bogdanovic either. But I would definitely sign one of them to a max offer sheet and force the other team to match.

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On 9/5/2019 at 1:14 PM, CoolHandGriz said:

I'm sorry but nothing I've seen from Jaylen Brown suggests max deal. He's a dam good wing and i'd be excited to have him but he's not in that category of player imo.

As others have stated i'd rather get Beasley in RFA and/or draft Edwards or Hampton if available. Bogdanovic in Sac would be a reasonable option as well.

I do think it's a moot point on Brown though. Most accounts have the Celts ponying up for him next year.

I don't see it either, rather have BI.

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So we used two picks and traded for a third and none of them are even in teh nBA after 3 years. That's why we are where we are. You have to build a talent base not exchange guys in and out every offseason. 

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On 9/5/2019 at 1:14 PM, CoolHandGriz said:

I'm sorry but nothing I've seen from Jaylen Brown suggests max deal. He's a dam good wing and i'd be excited to have him but he's not in that category of player imo.

As others have stated i'd rather get Beasley in RFA and/or draft Edwards or Hampton if available. Bogdanovic in Sac would be a reasonable option as well.

I do think it's a moot point on Brown though. Most accounts have the Celts ponying up for him next year.

What determines if a player should get a max deal or not? Guys like Chandler Parsons, Wesley Matthews, Otto Porter, Hassan Whiteside, and Enes Kanter have all gotten the max of what they could get. None of them are superstars, heck, not even stars really.  And then you have stars like Conley and Hayward getting max deals but did they "deserve it" based on whatever your criteria is?

Who should get a max contract varies on a year to year and team to team basis. A player could get a max  one off-season but not the next depending on the market and who is available. A small market land-locked team like Memphis is at a severe disadvantage and will have to overpay and/or take on risks to lure good players away. As far as I remember before Parsons signed, our biggest FA acquisition that exceeded the MLE was Brian friggen Cardinal. TA was the most impactful (and Mighty Mouse to a certain degree but he didn't play many games) but neither exceeded the MLE. Heck, I live in Dallas and they have trouble signing FAs. Dallas is the 4th largest metro area in the U.S. and still growing, the Mavs have won an NBA Championship, there's tons of money here and they can't sign big name FAs to save Cuban's life.  A lot of these players  want to run to the coastal cities (N.Y., L.A., S.F., MIA, BOS, maybe D.C. if they get their stuff together, not so much Portland and Philly is close enough) and date Kardashians and party with strippers on their yachts. As far as cities in the middle, it's Chicago and everybody else. After that, it's a battle for scaps for small and mid sized cities like Memphis, OKC, Utah, Indy, Milwaukee, etc. That's why it's so crucial for us to draft well and hold on to our FA or make savvy trades. Most FAs stay with their teams or head to major markets.If we trade for talent, it will be for someone troubled like Z-Bo.

With all of that being said, I'm not sure what BOS would offer Brown but he may be one of the best options Memphis could get. Would he stay in BOS for less, maybe, who knows. There's not many options next summer.

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On ‎9‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 1:26 PM, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

What determines if a player should get a max deal or not? Guys like Chandler Parsons, Wesley Matthews, Otto Porter, Hassan Whiteside, and Enes Kanter have all gotten the max of what they could get. None of them are superstars, heck, not even stars really.  And then you have stars like Conley and Hayward getting max deals but did they "deserve it" based on whatever your criteria is?

Who should get a max contract varies on a year to year and team to team basis. A player could get a max  one off-season but not the next depending on the market and who is available. A small market land-locked team like Memphis is at a severe disadvantage and will have to overpay and/or take on risks to lure good players away. As far as I remember before Parsons signed, our biggest FA acquisition that exceeded the MLE was Brian friggen Cardinal. TA was the most impactful (and Mighty Mouse to a certain degree but he didn't play many games) but neither exceeded the MLE. Heck, I live in Dallas and they have trouble signing FAs. Dallas is the 4th largest metro area in the U.S. and still growing, the Mavs have won an NBA Championship, there's tons of money here and they can't sign big name FAs to save Cuban's life.  A lot of these players  want to run to the coastal cities (N.Y., L.A., S.F., MIA, BOS, maybe D.C. if they get their stuff together, not so much Portland and Philly is close enough) and date Kardashians and party with strippers on their yachts. As far as cities in the middle, it's Chicago and everybody else. After that, it's a battle for scaps for small and mid sized cities like Memphis, OKC, Utah, Indy, Milwaukee, etc. That's why it's so crucial for us to draft well and hold on to our FA or make savvy trades. Most FAs stay with their teams or head to major markets.If we trade for talent, it will be for someone troubled like Z-Bo.

With all of that being said, I'm not sure what BOS would offer Brown but he may be one of the best options Memphis could get. Would he stay in BOS for less, maybe, who knows. There's not many options next summer.

Agreed on all of that but i'm only offering a max deal to an All Star level player. JB is not that... yet. Would we have to overpay for any RFA to come here? Of course. That's a given. But do we have to spend most of our newly freed up cap space on a free agent NEXT year? I don't think so. There will be a lot more options the following season. Sure we can take our shots this offseason but..

There comes a point where it's just not good business. If JB takes the next career step this season then I take that statement back. I'm talking about what I've seen from him so far..

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10 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Agreed on all of that but i'm only offering a max deal to an All Star level player. JB is not that... yet. Would we have to overpay for any RFA to come here? Of course. That's a given. But do we have to spend most of our newly freed up cap space on a free agent NEXT year? I don't think so. There will be a lot more options the following season. Sure we can take our shots this offseason but..

There comes a point where it's just not good business. If JB takes the next career step this season then I take that statement back. I'm talking about what I've seen from him so far..

We need to use our cap space to acquire players in trade, not free agency. Free agency is a loser for us on stars.

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3 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Agreed on all of that but i'm only offering a max deal to an All Star level player. JB is not that... yet. Would we have to overpay for any RFA to come here? Of course. That's a given. But do we have to spend most of our newly freed up cap space on a free agent NEXT year? I don't think so. There will be a lot more options the following season. Sure we take our shots but..

There comes a point where it's just not good business. If JB takes the next career step this season then I take that statement back. I'm talking about what I've seen from him so far..

If the team doesn't think he can be an all star level player, then don't give him a max offer. But you can't wait for him to be an actual all star. Once he is one, multiple teams would offer max money. We aren't winning the free agent battle unless we offer the most money. So if we are going to sign a free agent to a big deal, it is going to be a gamble, whether it be injury history, like Parsons, or hope for progression, which is what Brown or Beasley would be.

James Harden was not an all star level player when Houston traded for him and maxed him out. But Houston saw enough that they thought he could be. They took the gamble. Now Harden was better than Brown has been, and I don't think Brown will be a superstar like Harden. I do think with a bigger role Brown could be an 18-20 ppg guy who shoots 38-42% on 3's and provides solid defense. I believe that because when placed in a bigger role with the Celtics two years ago (due to injuries) that is what he did.

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36 minutes ago, Grizzfan7979 said:

We need to use our cap space to acquire players in trade, not free agency. Free agency is a loser for us on stars.

Right. We mostly need to try free agency, imo, at the last minute when the cap space is about to dissappear due to extensions to JJJ, etc. Unless a good deal comes along in between. Even then, it should be used with extreme caution.

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