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36 minutes ago, lsugrizzfan said:

It's too early for me to say anyone has separated themselves from the pack yet. Edwards has a huge game. But overall his numbers aren't that impressive so far. Good game, bad game, good game, bad game. To be the number one pick, there needs to be some consistency. His overall shooting numbers have been poor, too- 39.2/35.0/75.0 plus 18 assists to 17 turnovers. 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not writing him off. I am saying I need to see more. So far, he has had moments. I just think that not being consistent in college is an issue for someone who is projected to go 1.

One problem he is facing is he is the only player that is worth anything on his team. Georgia doesn't have a lot of talent. I just look at his size and athleticism and I think he'd be a perfect fit for us at the 2. He won't have to be as high usage in the NBA either, so efficiency should go up. He does need to be more consistent though. 

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3 hours ago, lsugrizzfan said:

It's too early for me to say anyone has separated themselves from the pack yet. Edwards has a huge game. But overall his numbers aren't that impressive so far. Good game, bad game, good game, bad game. To be the number one pick, there needs to be some consistency. His overall shooting numbers have been poor, too- 39.2/35.0/75.0 plus 18 assists to 17 turnovers. 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not writing him off. I am saying I need to see more. So far, he has had moments. I just think that not being consistent in college is an issue for someone who is projected to go 1.

I think we should take who we want to take.  Let the Internet Mock Draft Community rant and rave all they want.

Maybe there isn't a SUPERSTAR player in college this year.  If so, most players will be fairly similar in terms of talent and skill especially for picks outside the top 2 or 3.

If we didn't already have Ja Morant then I would be looking extra hard at Nico Mannion. 

Hate to be a homer but the Memphis Tigers have some interesting prospects.  Guys worth keeping tabs on.  Some are gonna come out this year, next season, and maybe even stay four years.  I am very intrigued by DJ Jeffries.

If our core is at the very least made up of Ja and Jaren and then you can probably add Clarke to that (with Dillon being our fourth horseman), the least we could do (at least in terms of a tie breaker) is take need/fit/pedigree/intantibles into account.

Maybe you go for a draft haul of DJ Jeffries, Tres Tinkle, and a big man who can run/defend/dunk/block shots/rebound.  I think that team wins the draft.

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Anthony Edwards is the only guy worth taking if we get a top 2 or 3 pick IMO. I would take Jaden McDaniels if the pick is outside of top 4 and Isaiah Joe if we trade down.

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21 minutes ago, Grizball said:

Anthony Edwards is the only guy worth taking if we get a top 2 or 3 pick IMO. I would take Jaden McDaniels if the pick is outside of top 4 and Isaiah Joe if we trade down.

Didn’t catch this game either. Watched Grizz instead then was bummed out after we lost. Saw it tied. Checked back and saw UGA won by 3 and I thought, I guess Anthony Edwards hit a 3.  He’s streaky (from what it sounds like), but it also sounds like he is an alpha scorer with range.  If we drafted him our rebuild would basically be finished.

I like Wiseman too as a lob threat, floor runner, and rebounder but the rest of my board mostly has sleepers at the top.  

Even if we get a blue chip wing I still think we need another big man. Rebounding and interior D still matters.

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14 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

You obviously have never watched him play.   Josh is a much better secondary ballhandler than both of them.  Quit being so bias based off his off court reputation and ACTUALLY watch him play.   He can make advanced passes and run a PickNRoll.   Something DB and Jae rarely ever or can do.     But you were the same person claiming Tony Allen was a good shooter based off FG% so i should expect this. 

Go listen to the Dusty Hannah interview from yesterday on Vernon show.   He specifically mentions how much of a terror Josh is on defense and how he is Top 3 in league in Defensive efficiency.   Which is what i have been saying his true potential was from the jump.   We badly need perimeter players that can defend and that was always Josh's calling card.   

Plenty decent NBA players have looked bad in the wrong organization (Phoenix).   Charles Barkley said that stuff can really hurt young players.    

but he IS  so much better than what we have.    We are freaking lottery team for Chrissakes.    All the evidence suggest if you woulda thrown Grayson Marko or Bruno on that same PHO teams they would've stunk even worse than he did.    Environment is and always will be a key factor in development.   There is a reason why some posters are rightfully saying they don't want us to be stuck in a long rebuild.   Losing like that breeds dysfunction and makes it hard to develop winning players.   PHO is the poster child for this.   

Really!??  I think we both know that I have never stated that Tony Allen is a good shooter.  I may have argued that his defensive abilities, coupled with the fact that he didn't usually take shots that he couldn't make at a reasonable rate were evidence that he was not a liability, as some morons claimed.

I'm not sure why you want to enter into evidence an interview with another G-League teammate who is definitely going to say nice things, when the player in question has already played two seasons at a level that the interviewee has little experience with.  Why don't we as Josh's high school coach?  That should have just about the same weight.

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14 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

@smit-tay griz  

Josh Jackson comp was Andre Iguodala.   Who is basically a Point-Forward with defensive tenacity.  Pretty ironic we have both on them on our payroll but neither in uniform. 

While Tatum and Isaac have fairly high floors - albeit for different reasons - Jackson is much more of a wild card. An edgy, explosive, often emotional prospect with an erratic jumper and a mentality that straddles the border of intensity and instability, Jackson is a bit of an enigma. When he's at his best, Jackson looks like a potential #1 pick, a star in the making. On a fairly small sample, the Michigan native shot 39%, 48% and 40% from beyond the arc in January, February, and March, respectively, knocking down jumpers off the dribble and the catch, despite his somewhat untraditional stroke. When he's shooting it well, Jackson doesn't have many holes. More of a 3/2 than Tatum, who is a 3/4, and Isaac, a four who can play occasional three and five, Jackson is explosive, has positional size, can handle in the open floor, has impressive vision on the move, and is the ultimate competitor defensively and on the glass. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/ ©DraftExpress

There's a lot to like about Jackson, who could very will fill an Andre Iguodala type role as a defend-slash-and-pass style prospect on a competitive team. While not quite as wide shouldered or long as Iguodala, they certainly have some similarities in terms of explosiveness, passing ability, grit on the glass and defensive end, and overall versatility, despite not being the most gifted half court scorers. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Josh-Jackson-7239/ ©DraftExpress

 

I don't give a crap what any pre-draft rating says about any player who has already played in the league.  What he has done while in the league has far, far more weight than any pre-draft eval.  By your logic we should be rushing out to sign Greg Oden, after all, all his pre-draft ratings were off the charts.

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7 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Really!??  I think we both know that I have never stated that Tony Allen is a good shooter.  I may have argued that his defensive abilities, coupled with the fact that he didn't usually take shots that he couldn't make at a reasonable rate were evidence that he was not a liability, as some morons claimed.

I'm not sure why you want to enter into evidence an interview with another G-League teammate who is definitely going to say nice things, when the player in question has already played two seasons at a level that the interviewee has little experience with.  Why don't we as Josh's high school coach?  That should have just about the same weight.

Oh no Smit you have been arguing FG% as indicator for being a good shooter for years.   Im not as petty as Chip to go thru all 8000k of your posts to prove it tho.  

Did you read the scouting report on Josh Jackson??   Do you think he was a top 4 pick based off athleticism alone?    His comp was Iggy.    Dusty has played with NBA and GLeague players so he is way more qualified than you or i to discern who has skill or not.    Josh high school coach is certainly a much better talent evaluator than you are as well.     

If scrubs Grayson and Marko can get burn when they have proved ZILCH in the NBA then why not the younger guy that was actually a top 4 pick?

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On 11/27/2019 at 11:22 PM, GrizzTigerFan said:

Oh no Smit you have been arguing FG% as indicator for being a good shooter for years.   Im not as petty as Chip to go thru all 8000k of your posts to prove it tho.  

Did you read the scouting report on Josh Jackson??   Do you think he was a top 4 pick based off athleticism alone?    His comp was Iggy.    Dusty has played with NBA and GLeague players so he is way more qualified than you or i to discern who has skill or not.    Josh high school coach is certainly a much better talent evaluator than you are as well.     

If scrubs Grayson and Marko can get burn when they have proved ZILCH in the NBA then why not the younger guy that was actually a top 4 pick?

I guess your comprehension skill is not as high as I imagined.

So you take Dusty's judgment over that of an NBA coaching staff?  A high school coach!??  Really!??

You seem to have a memory lapse.  It's Grayson and Marko who aren't getting a chance in your scheme.  Josh Jackson has already had more than twice as many chances as Allen and Gudurich combined.

I've been pretty clear in that I am not against giving Josh a shot, if the coaching staff thinks he's ready.  Your seeming assumption that he is the answer to all our problems seems a bit foolish to me.

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Josh is not the answer for sure. Comparing stat in G league and NBA soes not make sense. But based on the low quality of our roaster, what do we have to loose to give him a chance? If we are lucky, he contribute a little, improve his image and we can trade him with some return. If it does not work, then we just cut him. 

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12 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

I guess your comprehension skill is not as high as I imagined.

So you take Dusty's judgment over that of an NBA coaching staff?  A high school coach!??  Really!??

You seem to have a memory lapse.  It's Grayson and Marko who aren't getting a chance in your scheme.  Josh Jackson has already had more than twice as many chances as Allen and Gudurich combined.

I've been pretty clear in that I am not against giving Josh a shot, if the coaching staff thinks he's ready.  Your seeming assumption that he is the answer to all our problems seems a bit foolish to me.

The debate was about Josh's actual NBA skills/ability and some peoples belief that he won't be helpful on the court.    The reason why Josh is in Southaven has ZERO to do with his on court skills and is 100% about his off court foolishness.    So YES the scouting reports and his teammate in Southaven assessment of his ONCOURT ability is valuable.    Do you comprende! 

Grizz didn't send him to GLeague so he can learn how to play in the pros.   This was all about testing his CHARACTER.    So all this BS about Josh being bad at basketball as a legit reason for him to be on The Hustle is stupid.  

And no i don't think he is the answer to ALL our problems (that would be Brandon Clarke).   However, I think he can be one of the solutions on the WING.   And anybody arguing that he isn't an upgrade over Marko and Grayson is just stupid.   Anybody think its better to give Hill minutes than Josh a chance is just stupid. 

Front Office can bring him up at anytime because nobody knows but them what the purpose was and what the milestones are.   Stop the foolishness and give the kid a chance.    If he mucks it up after this point then nobody will have an issue with him being banished. 

 

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24 minutes ago, I❤️JV said:

...he isn't an upgrade over Marko and Grayson...it's better to give Hill minutes than Josh....so as you called me stupid (twice)...i am sorry but i have to report you to the moderators...

He didn’t call YOU stupid, he called the idea stupid and that’s not the same.

On these boards anyone can voice opinions about any idea without resulting to calling names.

Ideas are fair game, personal attacks are not and there is a difference.

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11 minutes ago, I❤️JV said:

YES HE DID...he called "And anybody arguing that he isn't an upgrade over Marko and Grayson is just stupid.   Anybody think its better to give Hill minutes than Josh a chance is just stupid. "

I actually agree with you on this premise of not starting Josh over the others mentioned in this case. 
And I agree with your position and opinion on this topic about it. However, I don’t feel he’s calling me personally stupid for having it, just like I don’t feel he’s personally calling you stupid either, just the opinion.

And yes, he could have worded it better by simply adding ‘it is my opinion that anybody thinking....said opinion is stupid....But I also think GTF has been around here long enough that, that part is understood and I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Im not picking on you either, I’m just giving you a moderate point of view, that’s all.

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What’s this have to do with the 2020 Draft?  Speaking of not having anything to do with the 2020 Draft, can we trade half our bench to Dallas??? — and I don’t even care which half!!!

Potential JV replacements (in tiers)

Tier 1: James Wiseman

Tier 2/2.5: Vernon Carey Jr., N’faly Dante, Zeke Nnaji, Makur Maker, Filip Petrusev

Tier 3/4: Matt Haarms, Kerry Blackshear Jr., Kylor Kelley, Nik Richards, Javin DeLaurier.

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Markus Howard went off.  He could be the instant offense backup point guard that we need.  Probably couldn’t really play Ja/Markus together much but with Slo Mo as a premier secondary creator, Markus Howard might make sense as a late first/early second round pick.  

If we keep our pick, Nico Mannion might be worth looking into.  Ja/Nico would be a smallish backcourt but if they could figure it out it might be worth it.  

Bonus points: makes Tyus Jones expendable.  Then you could probably use Konchar or Melton as trade filler.  You can also stagger minutes which would really help.  

For non-Anthony Edwards guards/wings I have Josh Green, Achiuwa, and Tres Tinkle at/near the top. Still holding out hope for Scottie Lewis.  Strange that Duke, Kentucky, and UNC don’t have any high-end lotto wings.  

A lanky shooter like Isaiah Joe might be a good trade-down target.  4-6 might be too high for him.  

At 1-6 you probably wanna either get a guard to pair with Morant or a big man to pair with Jaren.  A 3 and D small forward would be great but that might be more of a specialist/utility player that you can get a bit later on in the draft.  

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Why have folks soured on Cole Anthony as a top tier prospect? I can see his lack of size being a detriment next to Ja but maybe not. 

I think you can get valuable bigs later in the draft (if you are smart). Pure scorer can be a bit more difficult. 

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1 hour ago, SC Grizz said:

Why have folks soured on Cole Anthony as a top tier prospect? I can see his lack of size being a detriment next to Ja but maybe not. 

I think you can get valuable bigs later in the draft (if you are smart). Pure scorer can be a bit more difficult. 

In my top 6 for sure.

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On 12/1/2019 at 8:23 AM, Dwash said:

In my top 6 for sure.

Word.  Just making sure I hadn't lost my mind or missed something.

I am sure things will all shake out around March/April anyway regarding true top tier guys. 

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14 minutes ago, MemphisX said:

Top 6 December:

1. LaMelo Ball

2. Anthony Edwards

3. Isaac Okoro

4. Isaiah Joe

5. Cole Anthony

6. James Wiseman

Maybe 1-10 are about equal but all are good players.  

There might not be a Luka Doncic though....

I might not trade UP for anyone but trading down should get you lots of good assets.

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I might sort out the 2 main tiers: Tier 1/Tier 2 and Tier 3/Tier 4.  Then sort the Tier 1/Tier 2 guys into 3 categories: Lead Guards/ Guards, Forwards, and Bigs/Centers.

I might sort my Tier 3/Tier 4 by micro-positions: floor general, combo guard, 3 and D wing, stretch 4, point forward, small ball 4, throwback/enforcer power forward, stretch 5, rim-running/rim-protecting center. 

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Not sure how Anthony Edwards isn't #1 for everyone right now...

A wing scorer averaging 20/6/3/2.3/1 with great range and a grit & grind mentality. Perfect fit for us if we have the opportunity to draft him

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11 hours ago, BTiger3733 said:

Not sure how Anthony Edwards isn't #1 for everyone right now...

A wing scorer averaging 20/6/3/2.3/1 with great range and a grit & grind mentality. Perfect fit for us if we have the opportunity to draft him

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/28184892/nba-draft-no-1-pick-debate-lamelo-edwards-wiseman

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11 hours ago, BTiger3733 said:

Not sure how Anthony Edwards isn't #1 for everyone right now...

A wing scorer averaging 20/6/3/2.3/1 with great range and a grit & grind mentality. Perfect fit for us if we have the opportunity to draft him

40.4/ 35.4/ 76.1 shooting splits is my reasoning. Last year with Cam Reddish, I kept screaming that guys who have low shooting percentages in college only get worse in the NBA. No one could give me an example of a player shooting as bad as Cam and succeeding. Now, Edwards hasn't shot as poorly as Cam (35.6/33.3/77.2) but he's not much better and is still in the non conference schedule which has been all cupcakes except Michigan State. To be fair, he was awesome against Michigan State.

I'm not writing Edwards off. I just need to see more.

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1 hour ago, lsugrizzfan said:

40.4/ 35.4/ 76.1 shooting splits is my reasoning. Last year with Cam Reddish, I kept screaming that guys who have low shooting percentages in college only get worse in the NBA. No one could give me an example of a player shooting as bad as Cam and succeeding. Now, Edwards hasn't shot as poorly as Cam (35.6/33.3/77.2) but he's not much better and is still in the non conference schedule which has been all cupcakes except Michigan State. To be fair, he was awesome against Michigan State.

I'm not writing Edwards off. I just need to see more.

You gotta be kidding me Cam was a low usage third option to two of the best players in cbb. Edwards numbers would be outstanding in that situation.

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