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51 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Lol why is sad to know records can be cleared and an offender (even a felon) can now lead a life where a mistake doesnt follow him forever? I believe almost anyone can change.

I believe there are some crimes that a person can atone. I also believe some crimes are sufficiently severe that the stigma of committing it should remain with that person for life. Rape, armed robbery and murder all crimes I believe should carry that stigma for life. I imagine most people would be horrified if someone raped someone they cared about and got a diversion to avoid going to jail or being forced to carry the stigma of being a rapist for life. 

Do you think going a year or so without committing a new crime is sufficient time to atone for such a felony? 

As for less serious crimes I do support diversion. I do believe a person can make a mistake ((for example get caught with drugs), undergo rehab, do community service, submit to random drug testing for a while and if he is clean after a certain time have his crime erased from his record. What by law suggests he should serve time for is changed into a positive outcome. One mistake of youth shouldn't tarnish that person's life. 

The problem I have, and that relates to this situation in particular, is when someone relies on diversion multiple times. That means the person received diversion once, didn't learn from that mistake and committed another crime despite saying he wouldn't. The judge and prosecutor allowed him a lesser sentence on the pretext that this was a one time thing only to see more acts of irresponsibility or outright crime. 

When do we say enough is enough and you have to pay for these indiscretions? 

But this has diverged from the original content dramatically. Jackson received another diversion. The first time he did over $1000 worth of damage to a co-ed's car in Kansas and threatened to beat her up outside a bar. This time for running from an off duty police after attempting to enter a VIP area he didn't have credentials to enter. Most likely neither event will be on his permanent record. None of this has to do with basketball nor does the allegation that he got his 4 month old daughter high (supposedly  from 2nd hand smoke) while under his care.

What's concerning to me about him as a basketball player is his terrible shooting which Phoenix asked him to work on this summer under their supervision and which he apparently failed to do. He may in fact start to work on his shot, do everything right and prove he was worthy of being the 4th pick in the draft which would be a major coup for the Grizzlies. If he continues to be a terrible perimeter shooter who teams dare to shoot the ball, drop off on or simply ignore on the perimeter who also seems disinterested in playing defense (his former calling card) then Memphis, not Phoenix, will look foolish trading for him. 

I am going to want to see him prove that he isn't what he has shown so far before I give him the benefit of the doubt however. 

 

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4 hours ago, chipc3 said:

I believe there are some crimes that a person can atone. I also believe some crimes are sufficiently severe that the stigma of committing it should remain with that person for life. Rape, armed robbery and murder all crimes I believe should carry that stigma for life. I imagine most people would be horrified if someone raped someone they cared about and got a diversion to avoid going to jail or being forced to carry the stigma of being a rapist for life. 

Do you think going a year or so without committing a new crime is sufficient time to atone for such a felony? 

As for less serious crimes I do support diversion. I do believe a person can make a mistake ((for example get caught with drugs), undergo rehab, do community service, submit to random drug testing for a while and if he is clean after a certain time have his crime erased from his record. What by law suggests he should serve time for is changed into a positive outcome. One mistake of youth shouldn't tarnish that person's life. 

The problem I have, and that relates to this situation in particular, is when someone relies on diversion multiple times. That means the person received diversion once, didn't learn from that mistake and committed another crime despite saying he wouldn't. The judge and prosecutor allowed him a lesser sentence on the pretext that this was a one time thing only to see more acts of irresponsibility or outright crime. 

When do we say enough is enough and you have to pay for these indiscretions? 

But this has diverged from the original content dramatically. Jackson received another diversion. The first time he did over $1000 worth of damage to a co-ed's car in Kansas and threatened to beat her up outside a bar. This time for running from an off duty police after attempting to enter a VIP area he didn't have credentials to enter. Most likely neither event will be on his permanent record. None of this has to do with basketball nor does the allegation that he got his 4 month old daughter high (supposedly  from 2nd hand smoke) while under his care.

What's concerning to me about him as a basketball player is his terrible shooting which Phoenix asked him to work on this summer under their supervision and which he apparently failed to do. He may in fact start to work on his shot, do everything right and prove he was worthy of being the 4th pick in the draft which would be a major coup for the Grizzlies. If he continues to be a terrible perimeter shooter who teams dare to shoot the ball, drop off on or simply ignore on the perimeter who also seems disinterested in playing defense (his former calling card) then Memphis, not Phoenix, will look foolish trading for him. 

I am going to want to see him prove that he isn't what he has shown so far before I give him the benefit of the doubt however. 

 

100 percent agree  

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

I believe there are some crimes that a person can atone. I also believe some crimes are sufficiently severe that the stigma of committing it should remain with that person for life. Rape, armed robbery and murder all crimes I believe should carry that stigma for life. I imagine most people would be horrified if someone raped someone they cared about and got a diversion to avoid going to jail or being forced to carry the stigma of being a rapist for life. 

Do you think going a year or so without committing a new crime is sufficient time to atone for such a felony? 

As for less serious crimes I do support diversion. I do believe a person can make a mistake ((for example get caught with drugs), undergo rehab, do community service, submit to random drug testing for a while and if he is clean after a certain time have his crime erased from his record. What by law suggests he should serve time for is changed into a positive outcome. One mistake of youth shouldn't tarnish that person's life. 

The problem I have, and that relates to this situation in particular, is when someone relies on diversion multiple times. That means the person received diversion once, didn't learn from that mistake and committed another crime despite saying he wouldn't. The judge and prosecutor allowed him a lesser sentence on the pretext that this was a one time thing only to see more acts of irresponsibility or outright crime. 

When do we say enough is enough and you have to pay for these indiscretions? 

But this has diverged from the original content dramatically. Jackson received another diversion. The first time he did over $1000 worth of damage to a co-ed's car in Kansas and threatened to beat her up outside a bar. This time for running from an off duty police after attempting to enter a VIP area he didn't have credentials to enter. Most likely neither event will be on his permanent record. None of this has to do with basketball nor does the allegation that he got his 4 month old daughter high (supposedly  from 2nd hand smoke) while under his care.

What's concerning to me about him as a basketball player is his terrible shooting which Phoenix asked him to work on this summer under their supervision and which he apparently failed to do. He may in fact start to work on his shot, do everything right and prove he was worthy of being the 4th pick in the draft which would be a major coup for the Grizzlies. If he continues to be a terrible perimeter shooter who teams dare to shoot the ball, drop off on or simply ignore on the perimeter who also seems disinterested in playing defense (his former calling card) then Memphis, not Phoenix, will look foolish trading for him. 

I am going to want to see him prove that he isn't what he has shown so far before I give him the benefit of the doubt however. 

 

There's no way we can look foolish for this trade. We still got Melton, we still got two 2nd rounders for essentially nothing. Even if Jackson stinks it up, who cares. We just drop him next year and move on. No big deal at all. We weren't the ones who drafted him, so the egg isn't on our face for his off court stuff. Now if we resign him and he continues to act like this off the court, then yes we would look bad, but no matter what happens this year won't look bad on us. 

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7 minutes ago, Rdk4121 said:

There's no way we can look foolish for this trade. We still got Melton, we still got two 2nd rounders for essentially nothing. Even if Jackson stinks it up, who cares. We just drop him next year and move on. No big deal at all. We weren't the ones who drafted him, so the egg isn't on our face for his off court stuff. Now if we resign him and he continues to act like this off the court, then yes we would look bad, but no matter what happens this year won't look bad on us. 

Good point. I misspoke in that regard. 

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20 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Good point. I misspoke in that regard. 

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No biggie, I agree with the rest of what you said. 

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

I believe there are some crimes that a person can atone. I also believe some crimes are sufficiently severe that the stigma of committing it should remain with that person for life. Rape, armed robbery and murder all crimes I believe should carry that stigma for life. I imagine most people would be horrified if someone raped someone they cared about and got a diversion to avoid going to jail or being forced to carry the stigma of being a rapist for life. 

Do you think going a year or so without committing a new crime is sufficient time to atone for such a felony? 

As for less serious crimes I do support diversion. I do believe a person can make a mistake ((for example get caught with drugs), undergo rehab, do community service, submit to random drug testing for a while and if he is clean after a certain time have his crime erased from his record. What by law suggests he should serve time for is changed into a positive outcome. One mistake of youth shouldn't tarnish that person's life. 

The problem I have, and that relates to this situation in particular, is when someone relies on diversion multiple times. That means the person received diversion once, didn't learn from that mistake and committed another crime despite saying he wouldn't. The judge and prosecutor allowed him a lesser sentence on the pretext that this was a one time thing only to see more acts of irresponsibility or outright crime. 

When do we say enough is enough and you have to pay for these indiscretions? 

But this has diverged from the original content dramatically. Jackson received another diversion. The first time he did over $1000 worth of damage to a co-ed's car in Kansas and threatened to beat her up outside a bar. This time for running from an off duty police after attempting to enter a VIP area he didn't have credentials to enter. Most likely neither event will be on his permanent record. None of this has to do with basketball nor does the allegation that he got his 4 month old daughter high (supposedly  from 2nd hand smoke) while under his care.

What's concerning to me about him as a basketball player is his terrible shooting which Phoenix asked him to work on this summer under their supervision and which he apparently failed to do. He may in fact start to work on his shot, do everything right and prove he was worthy of being the 4th pick in the draft which would be a major coup for the Grizzlies. If he continues to be a terrible perimeter shooter who teams dare to shoot the ball, drop off on or simply ignore on the perimeter who also seems disinterested in playing defense (his former calling card) then Memphis, not Phoenix, will look foolish trading for him. 

I am going to want to see him prove that he isn't what he has shown so far before I give him the benefit of the doubt however. 

 

Well I would just say that these young men are very confused out here and dont understand the implications of their actions. Most of us desire to be the best at something and unfortunately the misguided turn to a life of crime to fulfill this desire. Not that it excuses it, but I have known some that have have committed serious crimes and I would say that I honestly believe they wouldnt do it again. A diversion program wouldnt be a year after the crime because they would serve a jail sentence but if the person is doing what he can to turn his life around and he is a free man I just feel there should be some way to free his record so he can obtain gainful employment.

However, there was a time in my life where I might have felt the same way you do about certain types of criminals so I understand why you might feel that way so Im not judging.

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There are exceptions to every rule. I am glad to see you are more open to reform than I am. I know people who have committed felonies and are great people who truly made a mistake. But they will always be felons. Sorry but that's just the way it is.

The person they killed, or pointed at gun at to rob, or raped can't undo what was done to them by simply being good for a while. They are scarred for life (if they are so lucky as to survive). I can forgive but I don't forget these things. 

I guess I'm just not as nice a person as you. I feel for the victim far more than perpetrator in those situations. 

Now can we get back to basketball at least if not specifically the Grizzlies or has this forum digressed to social issues discussions now? 

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Really to be fair your view @chipc3 is basically just  the United States Judicial view.    The Prison Capital of the Entire World view.   Majority of "First World" nations do not label felons to the extreme degree that we do.   They are usually still allowed to vote, own and buy a gun and even work for the Gov't.    US policy is the most strict in the entire world (and we see how well that's working out).   Reform is best-case scenario and majority of people labeled as felons are non-violent offenders.   

But i digress this discussion can quickly escalate to something outside of Grizz topics. 

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2 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Good point. I misspoke in that regard. 

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I think a diversion program is in order for posting cat pictures on the message boards.

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Really to be fair your view @chipc3 is basically just  the United States Judicial view.    The Prison Capital of the Entire World view.   Majority of "First World" nations do not label felons to the extreme degree that we do.   They are usually still allowed to vote, own and buy a gun and even work for the Gov't.    US policy is the most strict in the entire world (and we see how well that's working out).   Reform is best-case scenario and majority of people labeled as felons are non-violent offenders.   

But i digress this discussion can quickly escalate to something outside of Grizz topics. 

Well in the US it is how much dough you got or who you know. If that had been LBJ or KD the cops would've probably asked for their autograph and escorted them to where they wanted to go. JJs' mistake was he hadn't been in the NBA long enough for people to know who he was. Just look at Epstein and his diversion.

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On 7/5/2019 at 10:03 AM, Dwash said:

Jackson doesnt seem like the guy to work hard enough off the court but I hope Im wrong.

Good thing for us you usually are.

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1 hour ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Good thing for us you usually are.

Great the board really needed another lame with no basketball knowledge or opinions that just critiques all the other posters.

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Not expecting anything ... but it would be nice to have another successful Memphis redemption story.  Good luck to you JJ.  I hope it works out for you here.

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41 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Great the board really needed another lame with no basketball knowledge or opinions that just critiques all the other posters.

How bout we meet on the court of your choice and see who knows more about the game.

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1 minute ago, CoolHandGriz said:

How bout we meet on the court of your choice and see who knows more about the game.

Sorry, I have to ask.  What would that prove?  I'll bet Patty Mills could beat Greg Popovich one-on-one, but I'd bet my bottom dollar Pops knows more about basketball.  Jus' sayin'...

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13 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Sorry, I have to ask.  What would that prove?  I'll bet Patty Mills could beat Greg Popovich one-on-one, but I'd bet my bottom dollar Pops knows more about basketball.  Jus' sayin'...

That’s all I had. 🤷‍♂️

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14 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Sorry, I have to ask.  What would that prove?  I'll bet Patty Mills could beat Greg Popovich one-on-one, but I'd bet my bottom dollar Pops knows more about basketball.  Jus' sayin'...

I know.  Let's ALL meet on a court and they can both watch us warm up, draft a team, and coach their teams in a best of seven matchup.  Then will be revealed who the true master of basketball knowledge is.

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4 minutes ago, kevofrommempho said:

I know.  Let's ALL meet on a court and they can both watch us warm up, draft a team, and coach their teams in a best of seven matchup.  Then will be revealed who the true master of basketball knowledge is.

You’re right it’s the only way.

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29 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

How bout we meet on the court of your choice and see who knows more about the game.

I can on Saturday around noon.

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46 minutes ago, CoolHandGriz said:

Let’s do it. Loser buys brunch.

Ok. Anywhere thats not way out East cause I stay on the southwest side.

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9 hours ago, kevofrommempho said:

I know.  Let's ALL meet on a court and they can both watch us warm up, draft a team, and coach their teams in a best of seven matchup.  Then will be revealed who the true master of basketball knowledge is.

Even better.  :lol:

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On 7/17/2019 at 8:25 AM, chipc3 said:

You aren't ignorant for not knowing this. 

 

wow, it’s truly summer time, so allow me to also critique chip’s post. 

i believe not knowing on a particular topic or issue is the definition of ignorance. 

problem is a lot of folks confuse the terms ignorance and stupidity. they are far from the same. a brilliant person can be ignorant regarding the griz or the rules of the nba. that doesn’t necessarily make them stupid- unfortunate or not blessed perhaps, but not stupid.

 

slim. 

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16 hours ago, chipc3 said:

There are exceptions to every rule. I am glad to see you are more open to reform than I am. I know people who have committed felonies and are great people who truly made a mistake. But they will always be felons. Sorry but that's just the way it is.

The person they killed, or pointed at gun at to rob, or raped can't undo what was done to them by simply being good for a while. They are scarred for life (if they are so lucky as to survive). I can forgive but I don't forget these things. 

I guess I'm just not as nice a person as you. I feel for the victim far more than perpetrator in those situations. 

Now can we get back to basketball at least if not specifically the Grizzlies or has this forum digressed to social issues discussions now? 

I know people in the USA think US police and US laws are normal, maybe treatment of immigrants are normal for some, some deplorables, even think MAGA is ok.

US president is a disgusting racist pig, many police officers are disgusting uneducated, racist pigs, laws and prison sentences are just unimaginable for anyone in Europe or even Canada.

It is hard for me to imagine, being black man (i am neither) in the US and have to deal with it daily.

It really pains me to see all the mistreatment of black and brown people.

Your president is your biggest shame. How can you elect ***** grabbing, racist pig? Who are those deplorables who voted for him?

When i am in USA next and if there is a demonstration of police brutality or immigrant treatment or anyone demonstrate against Trump....I will march with you...as the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (or woman) to do nothing.

Donald Trump is epitome of evil and every single Trump supporter is a deplorable racist, too stupid or both.

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this post above should not be tolerated.

this is no place for such talk, and, honestly, i don't know where that talk would be appropriate.

go griz.

 

slim.

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