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47 minutes ago, Ace-is-high said:

Seriously?  Your kinda making my point but avoiding the entire narrative ... I'll just give you the written out in crayon version.. talent isn't enough, you need drive, that's the jist of it

You implied that Manu was less talented because  he was drafted later and only made it because of work ethic 

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3 hours ago, Allen said:

You implied that Manu was less talented because  he was drafted later and only made it because of work ethic 

Nah let me back track to the guy I was responding to, I made a post that was trying to say some European players can rise to the big stage and some cant.. I used Manu as an example of a successful player and Casey J. As the player who couldn't make the transition..  another poster suggested that that was a bad example because (I'm paraphrasing here) Manu was some kind of proven or exceptional talent, and Jacobsen was 'just a guy', I was merely pointing out that Manu was not a proven talent because he was drafted late in the second round, and for the most part Manu was 'just a guy' as well

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4 hours ago, Ace-is-high said:

Nah let me back track to the guy I was responding to, I made a post that was trying to say some European players can rise to the big stage and some cant.. I used Manu as an example of a successful player and Casey J. As the player who couldn't make the transition..  another poster suggested that that was a bad example because (I'm paraphrasing here) Manu was some kind of proven or exceptional talent, and Jacobsen was 'just a guy', I was merely pointing out that Manu was not a proven talent because he was drafted late in the second round, and for the most part Manu was 'just a guy' as well

I think you're talking about different points in time and are both correct. When Manu was drafted in 1999 he was far from being proven as he had only played one year in Italy and he was already 22. But when he jumped over to the NBA in 2002 he was a two time Italian league MVP and a Euroleague champion and MVP (twice finalist and top scorer). At that point his talent was more than proven and people were already praising the Spurs for being able to steal that kind of guy in the draft.

So yeah, at the time of the draft both Manu and Jacobsen were "some guy" but when they went to the NBA they were, respectively, a guy who had won it all in Europe and some guy who couldn't cut it in the ACB and ended playing in the backwater German league for 5 years before someone thought of him in Memphis.

The subject of why some international players make it in the NBA and some don't is complex and worth its own thread. 

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Being drafted in the 2nd round does not not mean a player isn't talented.  Jokic was drafted in the 2nd.  Is he not talented?  I think it just means that NBA scouting failed.  International Players don't get as much exposure here.

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On 8/5/2019 at 6:32 AM, smit-tay griz said:

Being drafted in the 2nd round does not not mean a player isn't talented.  Jokic was drafted in the 2nd.  Is he not talented?  I think it just means that NBA scouting failed.  International Players don't get as much exposure here.

I just hope that our scouts are right about this dude and he can jack a ton of 3s for us. I really want this to work out

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Has anyone seen Marco playing in this World Championships? 

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6 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Has anyone seen Marco playing in this World Championships? 

He was having decent first two games against awful opposition 10.5 pts a game...today against Italy he was really bad. In 10min he was on the court he missed all 4 shots 0/4 FG 0/3  from 3...the only Serbia player with a negative +/-.....-1.

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6 minutes ago, I❤️JV said:

He was having decent first two games against awful opposition 10.5 pts a game...today against Italy he was really bad. In 10min he was on the court he missed all 4 shots 0/4 FG 0/3  from 3...the only Serbia player with a negative +/-.....-1.

Not exactly what I wanted to hear. 

But thank you anyway. 

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Yep, today he played bad, but he's a very smart player and a very good addition at his salary. 

Of course Bogdan is better...

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Marko played only 9 minutes today (he played 19 the two previous games) and it looks like he never got in rhythm. He's behind Bogdanovic and Jovic in Serbia's guard rotation, so it's likely his minutes will remain down now that the competition is getting tougher.

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Bogdanovic was great. I wanted him to be a Grizzly 3 years ago

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4 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

Bogdanovic was great. I wanted him to be a Grizzly 3 years ago

Yes he is insane fantastic player. MArko lookd good the first 2 games against low quality team. Yesterday he did not play well but i won't judge him on this game. Wait and See.

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Thanks NBA2K for not having him on our roster

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This guy is too slow to play NBA basketball and his shot hasn't even been as advertised. 

 

Doubt he has any value past his current contract. Wasted signing. Will be one of those guys that pops back to Europe like Calathes. 

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Rookies have a hard time adjusting to the NBA and can look very bad early on. However, I have hope that he will adjust to the speed of the game and start hitting shots like he has shown he can do in Europe. 

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Marko needs time to adjust but right now its probably better to invest on court time in Dillon and Grayson.   They are already adjusted to NBA speed and defense.   

It's pretty difficult to try to develop 7-8 young guys at once.   Especially for a rookie coach.   IMHO development minutes/patience should be in this order

  1. Ja Morant
  2. Jaren Jackson
  3. Brandon Clarke
  4. DeAnthony Melton
  5. Bruno Cabocollo
  6. Grayson Allen
  7. Dillon Brooks
  8. Tyus Jones
  9. Marko Guduric
  10. Kyle Anderson

I put Kyle Tyus and Dillon so low because we basically already know what type of players they are.     Josh will be high on the list once he is available.   However, the point is that is a LOT of young guys to develop for a rookie coach.   Really an almost impossible task.  I bet the determining factor for TJ will be who is the quickest to catch onto his schemes.    Brandon Clarke will emerge as an important player quickly.   

Marko better find his deep ball touch quickly.   Because he really doesn't offer much else as of now. 

 

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24 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Marko needs time to adjust but right now its probably better to invest on court time in Dillon and Grayson.   They are already adjusted to NBA speed and defense.   

It's pretty difficult to try to develop 7-8 young guys at once.   Especially for a rookie coach.   IMHO development minutes/patience should be in this order

  1. Ja Morant
  2. Jaren Jackson
  3. Brandon Clarke
  4. DeAnthony Melton
  5. Bruno Cabocollo
  6. Grayson Allen
  7. Dillon Brooks
  8. Tyus Jones
  9. Marko Guduric
  10. Kyle Anderson

I put Kyle Tyus and Dillon so low because we basically already know what type of players they are.     Josh will be high on the list once he is available.   However, the point is that is a LOT of young guys to develop for a rookie coach.   Really an almost impossible task.  I bet the determining factor for TJ will be who is the quickest to catch onto his schemes.    Brandon Clarke will emerge as an important player quickly.   

Marko better find his deep ball touch quickly.   Because he really doesn't offer much else as of now. 

 

Josh is available and the team doesn't want him around the other young guys.  And I believe the team has already decided they aren't going to pick up that team option for next year since they have to decide by Oct 31 and aren't even having him around the team before that time.  He's a Hustle development guy, and not Jenkins problem.  

This is now season 6 for Bruno. If he doesn't get it by Christmas, he will have had his opportunity. I'm really surprised he didn't get time in the Hornets game.

 

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Give Marko some time. He played the world cup, arrived in a complete new world and it's just three pre-season games. 
I saw him in Euroleague, the guy can ball. There isn't much better at 2.6 million/y

Unlike Bruno...I never understood the hype about him... but that's just my opinion.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Grizzled Vet said:

Josh is available and the team doesn't want him around the other young guys.  And I believe the team has already decided they aren't going to pick up that team option for next year since they have to decide by Oct 31 and aren't even having him around the team before that time.  He's a Hustle development guy, and not Jenkins problem.  

This is now season 6 for Bruno. If he doesn't get it by Christmas, he will have had his opportunity. I'm really surprised he didn't get time in the Hornets game.

 

On Bruno, I believe the deal was getting Rabb and Plumlee some time before we have to make decisions on both of them. Rabb's guarantee date is any day now actually, so that was a tryout for him for other teams. 

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Marko needs time to adjust but right now its probably better to invest on court time in Dillon and Grayson.   They are already adjusted to NBA speed and defense.   

It's pretty difficult to try to develop 7-8 young guys at once.   Especially for a rookie coach.   IMHO development minutes/patience should be in this order

  1. Ja Morant
  2. Jaren Jackson
  3. Brandon Clarke
  4. DeAnthony Melton
  5. Bruno Cabocollo
  6. Grayson Allen
  7. Dillon Brooks
  8. Tyus Jones
  9. Marko Guduric
  10. Kyle Anderson

I put Kyle Tyus and Dillon so low because we basically already know what type of players they are.     Josh will be high on the list once he is available.   However, the point is that is a LOT of young guys to develop for a rookie coach.   Really an almost impossible task.  I bet the determining factor for TJ will be who is the quickest to catch onto his schemes.    Brandon Clarke will emerge as an important player quickly.   

Marko better find his deep ball touch quickly.   Because he really doesn't offer much else as of now. 

 

You're right on Marko, I feel like we signed him as a 3 point specialist since we were lacking a good 3 point shooter. So far, he hasn't been making them at all. He can kind of create for himself, and is maybe an above average distributor at best, but he's completely out of his league defensively. He's 3-11 (27%) from deep so far, obviously it's only been a few games, but it's not particularly encouraging. 

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4 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Rookies have a hard time adjusting to the NBA and can look very bad early on. However, I have hope that he will adjust to the speed of the game and start hitting shots like he has shown he can do in Europe. 

This.

Talk about an overreaction after the man's first game against NBA comp. He may be right but a little early to confidently declare that.

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4 hours ago, CoolHandGriz said:

This.

Talk about an overreaction after the man's first game against NBA comp. He may be right but a little early to confidently declare that.

La Bomba vibes....

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He looked horrible vs the Hornets but it was his first NBA game vs real NBA players. Just need to give him time to adjust. 

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