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17 hours ago, grizz1016 said:

We should look at Jamal Crawford. He still has some juice left and will be a good veteran presence

 

14 hours ago, The Stro Show said:

I love this idea.

Me too, he is not a long term solution, but he a elite scorer and a closer that could help in our run this year. Totally forgot about him.

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2 minutes ago, Ja_Rules said:

 

Me too, he is not a long term solution, but he a elite scorer and a closer that could help in our run this year. Totally forgot about him.

He could be that 3 point guy off the bench, his age doesn’t fit our concept though.

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21 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

I could see him taking Josh's spot on the roster if we don't resign him.

Neither are great at shooting or even scoring, but Yuta seems better in terms of (at least) defense and ball handling.  More of a high-motor guy too.

Winslow/Slo Mo/Yuta could be our small forward (small ball 4) rotation next season -- assuming Clarke doesn't get many minutes at the 3, Dillon mainly plays the 2, and we fail (again) to get a prototype small forward who can actually SHOOT.

 

to me dillon is a prototypical SF and has shown he can shoot.  the question will be if they continue to play him primarily at SG.  when the team is fully healthy next season, do dillon/justise start together, or does one come off the bench for the other?  allen is really the only natural SG on the roster IMO.  dillon is more of a SF that can play at SG, same for josh.  deanthony is kind of a jack of all trades, but not a prototypical SG.  right now the only 2 proven/reliable wing shooters for the roster are dillon and allen with winslow shooting well last season.  and allen of course won't be back until next season.  that's my worry with keeping all of josh, de'anthony, and kyle.  none of them can shoot.

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1 hour ago, Jetfixer said:

He could be that 3 point guy off the bench, his age doesn’t fit our concept though.

He is more than a 3pt shooter, he is a scorer and he is clutch.

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1 hour ago, Jetfixer said:

He could be that 3 point guy off the bench, his age doesn’t fit our concept though.

It would be just for the rest of this season. Good vet, clutch scorer and an average defender. He could be a useful bench player and a good locker room presence.

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What's yall's thoughts on maybe using that last spot to give Dusty a call up? Maybe even a vet min contract next year? I was looking thru who was available this summer as far as shooters for around that price and all that looked feasible was Troy Daniels. Depending on what happens with LA this year he may resign. Dusty is one of the best shooters in the G league. Low risk, high reward right?

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34 minutes ago, grizzdafuture said:

What's yall's thoughts on maybe using that last spot to give Dusty a call up? Maybe even a vet min contract next year? I was looking thru who was available this summer as far as shooters for around that price and all that looked feasible was Troy Daniels. Depending on what happens with LA this year he may resign. Dusty is one of the best shooters in the G league. Low risk, high reward right?

Dusty was on squad (10-day) last season and he simply doesn't have speed to play in NBA.    Yuta IMHO is only one who should get the look from Hustle.  

But i agree in your thinking about needing a shooter.      Just no real avenues to acquire one for now.

Is it possible to still get Joe Harris next season?    Like a S&T with Nets?   We give up a pick + SloMo+ Grayson for Harris and resign Melton and Josh.     That would give us the shooting we need for sure.  While keeping Melton/Josh keeps our wing defense strong. 

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8 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Dusty was on squad (10-day) last season and he simply doesn't have speed to play in NBA.    Yuta IMHO is only one who should get the look from Hustle.  

But i agree in your thinking about needing a shooter.      Just no real avenues to acquire one for now.

Is it possible to still get Joe Harris next season?    Like a S&T with Nets?   We give up a pick + SloMo+ Grayson for Harris and resign Melton and Josh.     That would give us the shooting we need for sure.  While keeping Melton/Josh keeps our wing defense strong. 

Disagree....giving picks at this point is shortsighted...we are not contenders.... yet....

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3 minutes ago, I❤️JV said:

Disagree....giving picks at this point is shortsighted...we are not contenders.... yet....

We have 8 first rd picks in next 6 drafts not to mention our 2nds.   I think we are good. 

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Just now, GrizzTigerFan said:

We have 8 first rd picks in next 6 drafts not to mention our 2nds.   I think we are good. 

IMO we should only give away picks for needle movers and only when we are in a position to contend...

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Love the Crawford idea for the short-term... great veteran presence... exactly the type of player we need off the bench... and it'd give a little more buzz, star power and publicity to the team and it's playoff run, which isn't necessarily important, but definitely adds to the fun!

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41 minutes ago, I❤️JV said:

IMO we should only give away picks for needle movers and only when we are in a position to contend...

Yeah I agree. No way to moving firsts for decent role players at this point. Its not just the pick. It ties down your flexibility for trading a pick when you need to with this Ted Stephien rule

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2 hours ago, I❤️JV said:

IMO we should only give away picks for needle movers and only when we are in a position to contend...

 

1 hour ago, Dwash said:

Yeah I agree. No way to moving firsts for decent role players at this point. Its not just the pick. It ties down your flexibility for trading a pick when you need to with this Ted Stephien rule

I wouldn't be surprised to see them move one - depending on how season ends.   We have 8 first rdrs + a bunch of 2nds.  We officially have assets so may be time to cash-in soon. 

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8 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see them move one - depending on how season ends.   We have 8 first rdrs + a bunch of 2nds.  We officially have assets so may be time to cash-in soon. 

You need to hold out for something great like a Brad Beal or Booker.  With picks and expirings. If that never happens then you go for decent role players on a Joe Harris level. And honestly you really shouldnt give up picks even for a Harris type. Do you not see the value of FRPs these days? A solid two way player under 25 should be your minimum target when moving a first when in the rebuild stage. 

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35 minutes ago, Dwash said:

You need to hold out for something great like a Brad Beal or Booker.  With picks and expirings. If that never happens then you go for decent role players on a Joe Harris level. And honestly you really shouldnt give up picks even for a Harris type. Do you not see the value of FRPs these days? A solid two way player under 25 should be your minimum target when moving a first when in the rebuild stage. 

I see the value but we have youngest roster in the league.  I understand rational of wanting to add more experienced pieces.   More guys like Tyus and Justise.    If Joe Harris is gettable i wouldn't be surprised if they pull the trigger.   Like a similar deal to how they flipped Delon for Tyus.     S&T them SloMo + couple 2nds for Harris. 

 I am not saying we flip all the picks - just wouldn't be surprised if we move the extra one(s). 

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44 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I see the value but we have youngest roster in the league.  I understand rational of wanting to add more experienced pieces.   More guys like Tyus and Justise.    If Joe Harris is gettable i wouldn't be surprised if they pull the trigger.   Like a similar deal to how they flipped Delon for Tyus.     S&T them SloMo + couple 2nds for Harris. 

 I am not saying we flip all the picks - just wouldn't be surprised if we move the extra one(s). 

you can't trade back salary to Brooklin ...the reason they let Joe Harris go is because of luxury tax....we will be over the cap and can only offer MLE...he'll get more in a free agency....we can't get him.

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I'm not offering picks for a Joe Harris sign and trade. If you want a Harris type player, Duncan Robinson is a free agent the following year. He's younger and every bit the equal as a shooter. Plus the Heat are going to be preoccupied chasing bigger fish. Make a fat offer and steal him away...in a year we have cap space, without sacrificing picks. 

By the way, eight first round picks the next six years is not some astounding number. Realistically, you would like to add at least one every year. Because six years from now, you won't be the youngest team in the league. You need to keep building the talent base to replace players who don't pan out or ones you can't afford. Especially in a small market like Memphis, cost controlled contracts are very, very important. I'm not above trading picks. I am not doing it in a sign and trade unless it is for a big time player.

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1 hour ago, lsugrizzfan said:

I'm not offering picks for a Joe Harris sign and trade. If you want a Harris type player, Duncan Robinson is a free agent the following year. He's younger and every bit the equal as a shooter. Plus the Heat are going to be preoccupied chasing bigger fish. Make a fat offer and steal him away...in a year we have cap space, without sacrificing picks. 

By the way, eight first round picks the next six years is not some astounding number. Realistically, you would like to add at least one every year. Because six years from now, you won't be the youngest team in the league. You need to keep building the talent base to replace players who don't pan out or ones you can't afford. Especially in a small market like Memphis, cost controlled contracts are very, very important. I'm not above trading picks. I am not doing it in a sign and trade unless it is for a big time player.

IF we trade the Warriors and Jazz first rounders do we do it NOW???  While there is a CHANCE that those teams aren't good when they convey to us?

I am wondering if in 2021 do we package our OWN pick with those future firsts from the Warriors and Jazz....  That could be the time to cash in IF there is somebody out there we really like (draft/trade/free agency).

The Heat have some good talent.  Duncan Robinson might be a player we can get -- although I kind of really, really want Tyler Herro.  Should be a perfect go-to guy behind Ja/Jaren.  Herro is MONEY.  It's early but he could be a prototype 2 guard of the future -- maybe even THE prototype shooting guard of the future.

Hopefully our FO/scout team is looking down field at the future drafts (next 2 or 3 years) to kinda get a feel on how things are going.

If there is a prototype shooter in the 2020 draft that we can go out and get (package the Suns' second with Marko and cash and maybe a future second rounder) then we should do that -- although I wouldn't be opposed to trading DOWN, pick up two second rounders, one of which you leave in Europe or wherever else for another year or two.

This seems like a random draft, since my draft board is random so far -- although that doesn't mean that it is a BAD draft.  Actually has some intriguing play makers at the top or near the top.  Also some deep sleepers and high-floor second round pick types.

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When I think about players we could sign off of waivers I'm reminded of an old joke, "I don't want to be part of any club that would have someone like me as a member".

I'm thinking anyone worth signing will probably be snatched up by the Lakers/Clippers/Rockets/Heat/Sixers/Bucks.

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On 2/12/2020 at 2:35 PM, Ja_Rules said:

 

Me too, he is not a long term solution, but he a elite scorer and a closer that could help in our run this year. Totally forgot about him.

J Crawford has had a great career but no for the Grizz. J Crawford is a ball stopper and can’t play defense. We pride ourselves on defense and ball movement. 

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8 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Dusty was on squad (10-day) last season and he simply doesn't have speed to play in NBA.    Yuta IMHO is only one who should get the look from Hustle.  

But i agree in your thinking about needing a shooter.      Just no real avenues to acquire one for now.

Is it possible to still get Joe Harris next season?    Like a S&T with Nets?   We give up a pick + SloMo+ Grayson for Harris and resign Melton and Josh.     That would give us the shooting we need for sure.  While keeping Melton/Josh keeps our wing defense strong. 

team needs a 2nd shooter/specialist, not just trading one for another.  you trade away allen and get an upgraded/more experienced shooter in harris, but he's not going to move the needle unless he's getting minutes.  he'd be competing w/ dillon, justise, josh, melton.  if you're going to get harris, you keep allen and give up josh.  that's adding a 2nd shooter that can start or play off the bench and there's still plenty of defense w/ dillon, justise, melton.  allen's trajectory may likely end up like harris' anyway but in much more athletic body who's on the cheap for 2 more seasons.  it's also very weird how average or less than harris is as a FT shooter considering how great of a 3 pt shooter he tends to be.

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All this talk about Harris (yeah he's a great shooter), but how is he when the game is on the line.

My memory may be fuzzy, but it seemed to me that in the playoffs last year that he wasn't real clutch.

At least that was my impression.

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On 2/12/2020 at 2:24 PM, cdp said:

Slim pickings on the buyout market. They should just sign a dleague guy to a 10 day. Then when Yutas 2way contract runs up sign him for the rest of the season. 

Yuck.  The guards are all too small or can't shoot.  We don't need any bigs.  We already kicked the tires on Jeff Green, don't want a repeat.  I'd rather just roll with Yuta right now.

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On 2/13/2020 at 7:02 PM, ALT GRIND said:

Courtney Lee would be great.  Low usage/low maintenance with high/moderate volume 3 point shooting.  

Did he get bought out?  He might be 34 years old, but he's a career 39% from three, and he played defense.  He'd be better for us than anyone on that previous list.

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