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why the 3 year plan worked

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On 5/19/2019 at 3:45 PM, TonyMassenturd said:

I'm amazed at the amount of terrible ideas and threads that one poster can produce. He's like the Nikola Tesla of creating wtf's and irrelevance.

I just don't get it either I think he is just desperate for attention its kind of sad but just learn to ignore it.

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We need a plan and a core to build around -- just don't think it has to be a carbon copy of Grit/Grind, Alt Grind, Bad Boys, Dunky Land, or some other gimmick.  

But if we DID have a gimmick what about Grit And Run?  Grit on one side and then showtime on the other with shades of Alt Dunky Land.

 

 

 

 

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On 5/19/2019 at 12:38 PM, Kevin B Moses said:

The 3yp worked because the grizzlies took a 28 yr star (zbo) and paired him with a 26 year old VERY developed center (marc gasol) and paired them with a bunch of young talent: Mike, Rudy and OJ.

This is the exact same route the grizzlies should take with this grizzlies. By pairing Mike and Jonas up with a bunch of young talent: Jaren, (Ja or Barrett), Dillion Brooks and Rabb.  

So... Bibby, Big Country, Shareef, Dickerson, Stro?

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30 minutes ago, ALT GRIND said:

We need a plan and a core to build around -- just don't think it has to be a carbon copy of Grit/Grind, Alt Grind, Bad Boys, Dunky Land, or some other gimmick.  

But if we DID have a gimmick what about Grit And Run?  Grit on one side and then showtime on the other with shades of Alt Dunky Land.

 

 

 

 

sooo... how about GRIND and SHINE 

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27 minutes ago, ALT GRIND said:

So... Bibby, Big Country, Shareef, Dickerson, Stro?

Only if Iavaroni is coach.

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4 minutes ago, 10SC-2-TOKYO said:

sooo... how about GRIND and SHINE 

That would be fun.  Paying homage to the past while looking towards the future.  

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GRIND & SHINE™️

 

there. trademarked .

It's mine. 

sit back and make a bajillion dollars

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6 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

We need a plan and a core to build around -- just don't think it has to be a carbon copy of Grit/Grind, Alt Grind, Bad Boys, Dunky Land, or some other gimmick.  

But if we DID have a gimmick what about Grit And Run?  Grit on one side and then showtime on the other with shades of Alt Dunky Land.

 

 

 

 

We don't need a gimmick.  We need an identity.  You don't plan your identity.  It's a natural result of players gaining chemistry on the floor together.  Once you have achieved that, then you can try to find other pieces to complement them.

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12 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

Those guys aren't immortal.  They can be taken down.  Everyone thought the Shaq/Kobe Lakers were going to keep winning too, but then Big Ben Wallace and the Pistons came along.

I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that with the current state of the Grizzlies, their young guys aren't going to be ready to take them down any time in the next three years. Another team? Perhaps. But it'll be a while for the Grizzlies.

I'd love to be wrong.

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9 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

We need a plan and a core to build around -- just don't think it has to be a carbon copy of Grit/Grind, Alt Grind, Bad Boys, Dunky Land, or some other gimmick.  

But if we DID have a gimmick what about Grit And Run?  Grit on one side and then showtime on the other with shades of Alt Dunky Land.

 

 

 

 

No

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Heisley's Three Year plan worked because Marc Gasol became a far better Center than the team thought he would after his rookie season. Mike Conley developed into a perfect PG for Hollins system, Tony Allen received playing time thanks to O J Mayo and Xavier Henry getting injured and the LA Clippers winning the lottery and deciding to dump Zach Randolph to clear space for Blake Griffin. 

In other words there was a combination of a sharp eye for talent (Conley), other team's stupidity (Zach) and blind luck (not giving up on Gasol and finding PT for Allen).

What people forget is that after the first year of the three year plan Memphis drafted Hasheem Thabeet because they didn't believe Marc would develop into a stalwart defensive center. If they had faith in Gasol being their center of the future the team could have moved toward James Harden (taken 3rd), Steph Curry (6th) or Tyreke Evans (4th and ROY) instead of Thabeet and the three year plan could have been even more successful than it was. Of course if Mayo and Xavier hadn't been injured who knows of Tony Allen would have ever gotten off the bench and the three year plan just as easily could have been a failure. 

Let's not forget the numerous moves that first season to gain financial freedom. One of the most traded players in Grizzlies history is "Cash Considerations" after all. 

To recreate that scenario the Grizzlies would have to find a diamond in the rough from trading Conley (Gasol move), discover someone not getting playing time who is suddenly given PT and taking advantage of it (Tony Allen), a team willing to dump a solid player for scraps (Z-Bo) and develop a player already expected to be an elite player (Conley).

So if we assume that JJJ is the big man people didn't expect to be that good at first (I remember the crowd reaction on draft night). Ja is the young leader that is a high draft pick. All that is left is to find a player who wasn't supposed to be that good (possibly Delon Wright or Dillon Brooks) and make a great trade for Conley (so good that someone complains about it being unfair wouldn't hurt), who brings in a prime of their career but never been an all-star type player who suddenly becomes a monster.  

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8 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Heisley's Three Year plan worked because Marc Gasol became a far better Center than the team thought he would after his rookie season. Mike Conley developed into a perfect PG for Hollins system, Tony Allen received playing time thanks to O J Mayo and Xavier Henry getting injured and the LA Clippers winning the lottery and deciding to dump Zach Randolph to clear space for Blake Griffin. 

In other words there was a combination of a sharp eye for talent (Conley), other team's stupidity (Zach) and blind luck (not giving up on Gasol and finding PT for Allen).

What people forget is that after the first year of the three year plan Memphis drafted Hasheem Thabeet because they didn't believe Marc would develop into a stalwart defensive center. If they had faith in Gasol being their center of the future the team could have moved toward James Harden (taken 3rd), Steph Curry (6th) or Tyreke Evans (4th and ROY) instead of Thabeet and the three year plan could have been even more successful than it was. Of course if Mayo and Xavier hadn't been injured who knows of Tony Allen would have ever gotten off the bench and the three year plan just as easily could have been a failure. 

Let's not forget the numerous moves that first season to gain financial freedom. One of the most traded players in Grizzlies history is "Cash Considerations" after all. 

To recreate that scenario the Grizzlies would have to find a diamond in the rough from trading Conley (Gasol move), discover someone not getting playing time who is suddenly given PT and taking advantage of it (Tony Allen), a team willing to dump a solid player for scraps (Z-Bo) and develop a player already expected to be an elite player (Conley).

So if we assume that JJJ is the big man people didn't expect to be that good at first (I remember the crowd reaction on draft night). Ja is the young leader that is a high draft pick. All that is left is to find a player who wasn't supposed to be that good (possibly Delon Wright or Dillon Brooks) and make a great trade for Conley (so good that someone complains about it being unfair wouldn't hurt), who brings in a prime of their career but never been an all-star type player who suddenly becomes a monster.  

Actually Tony's big break was because of Rudy mostly, not OJ or Xavier.  Tony had about ten games better than 20 minutes scattered through the first part of the season.  OJ and Zach were benched early in the season when he and Randolph missed a team pregame shoot-around or something.  Randolph moved back to the starting lineup, but OJ became sort of the sixthman (and later served a ten game drug suspension) and Xavier  was inserted as starter.  After Xavier went down Hollins experimented a little bit with spot starts from OJ, Sam Young, and TA before settling on Sam as the starter, around which time the team began to gel.  During this time the Grizzlies went through a 12-3 stretch with the starters being primarily Marc, Zach. Rudy, Sam, and Mike.  But there was one game during this stretch, an away game at OKC.  Rudy was not with the team for personal reasons, and TA was inserted into the starting lineup.  Needless to say, TA played 40 minutes and scored 27 points, with 4 boards, 5 steals, and 3 blocks in the road win against the three MVP team, and history was made.  This was THE Grit 'n' Grind game when TA used the phrase in the postgame interview.  After that game TA got more minutes, but still came off the bench up until Rudy was injured by Evan Turner in the Philly game.  After that game TA became the permanent starter.  So you see, while OJ's benching and Xavier's injury were contributing factors, it was really no Rudy that got TA his break.

Just a little Grizzlies history for those who forgot how it went down.;)

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