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Yesterday has to go down as one of the biggest nothing days in Grizz history. I still cannot understand how anyone can even not understand why I said the team should not making any moves until after the Wallace is gone and now, it's not just Wallace. it's ALL of the them. The entire grizz front office needs to be fired and replaced. They have no go forward strategy, they have no plan, they don't have any positive relationships and ties with front offices from other teams, we are outcasts in the NBA universe. These milquetoast-type trades how me what I already know, this f.o. is beyond incompetent. I didn't expect to get anything of value back for Marc, that's why I said let him leave in the summer. At least that way, we can start over and won't have any longer term contracts on our books. Now we have CJ friggen MIles with an $8 mil player option for next season. You don't think he's going to pick that up? Jonas Valentiniues has an $17.6 mil player option for next year, you don't think he will pick that up? S0 we find ourselves in the same position just with lesser players. and there is a $3.6 mil QO on Wright. how does this put us in a better place? Miles is 31 years old, how does that help the youth movement?  A friggen second round pick in 2150? WTF?  The Avery Bradley trade was just plain dumb. Temple and Bradley were expiring contracts yet they picked up a declining Bradley who has a $13 mil team option for next year. Obviously, they can decline the option but why?

Just as the Selden/Brooks for Holiday trade was just doing a trade just to do a trade, all of these trades yesterday were teh exact same thing. They had no plan, no strategy, there's been talk of confusion and miscommunication. The front office isn't even on the same page as itself. That's why I want to go around the horn and see what others are saying:

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The Athletic: The Grizzlies waited, finally dealt Gasol (and others), and the results were less than optimal

 

Did you ever wait until the last minute to do a school project? You know, the one that was assigned to you months prior and you completely disregarded until the night before it was due? Do you remember how it turned out? Probably not all that well, right?

And so it went for the Grizzlies at the trade deadline.

Seemingly scrambling throughout the process, reactive rather than proactive, they ended up with what could be regarded as just about the bare minimum for what they gave up, without a clear direction as to where they’re now headed.

The headliner

Memphis gets:

  • Delon Wright
  • C.J. Miles
  • Jonas Valanciunas
  • 2024 Raptors second-round draft pick

Toronto gets:

  • Marc Gasol

Let’s start with some real talk: There was no way the Grizzlies could have kept Gasol after what happened Tuesday night. Gasol cleaned out his locker, emptied the contents into a black garbage bag and left at halftime after an emotional first-half cameo on the bench. Not a chance in hell he was staying. Especially not after the way the Tyreke Evans non-trade fiasco unfolded last year. Gasol had made peace with the situation and was ready to go. And yet — there weren’t a lot of suitors for Gasol, either. His age, his uncertain contract situation and a lackluster past two months of play all combined to diminish the market for what was once an All-NBA player.

But the Grizzlies painted themselves into a corner, removing much of the leverage they could have had in negotiations had they acted more decisively in trading Gasol weeks (or even seasons) ago. This outcome was coming, in all likelihood, and the Grizzlies chose to have the situation control them rather than vice versa. That was a factor in how this move went down, as was the sloppy and haphazard team communication both internally and externally.

The Grizzlies had protracted negotiations with Charlotte about Gasol, the details of which became rather more public than Grizzlies officials would have liked. And not for the first time this year. Gasol was asked to sit prior to the Grizzlies’ game on Tuesday, which was, in and of itself, not especially notable. However, the fact that he had cleaned out his locker was an indicator he had been given the impression things had moved toward an imminent deal. He was expecting a Charlotte deal to get done.

All of this, apparently, was news to the Hornets. Though several of their players had been heavily rumored to be in Gasol trade talks, none of them were held out Tuesday night (or Wednesday night, for that matter), an indicator that the Hornets didn’t see those talks as having gone nearly as far as the Grizzlies did. There remained significant haggling to be done over issues: Which young player or players would be sent to Memphis, which long-term contracts would serve as makeweights and what would the protections be on any picks in the deal?

In the end, on Thursday morning, as the clock ticked closer to the deadline, something had to be done. With no traction happening in the Charlotte deal, and with little other interest, the Grizzlies had to start thinking smaller. Thoughts of multiple first-round picks, or even one first-round pick, drifted away, replaced by sheer pragmatism and a need to get something. Doing nothing was not an option.

That’s where Toronto came in. Not so much Mr. Right as Mr. Right Now. An opportunistic pounce by the Raptors sees them upgrade their center position for a reasonable price.

Delon Wright is not exactly the “young prospect” that the Grizzlies might have hoped to get in any Gasol deal. Wright will turn 27 at the end of April and will have the chance to be a restricted free agent. Wright shoots 31 percent from 3 (in non-garbage time minutes, per Cleaning the Glass); like Justin Holiday, he’s a corner-3 threat but poor from every other spot. Here’s Wright’s shot chart from this season (per Synergy):

The Grizzlies are the second-worst jump shooting team in the NBA at 34.5 percent, yet Wright shoots an even-lower 29.5 percent as a jump shooter. His per-possession numbers have fallen off this season; perhaps a change of scenery will help him improve.

Wright is good in transition, can draw fouls at a high rate, and is an active defender. He’s a potentially good rotation player but not exactly a prospect; he’s seven and a half years older than Jaren Jackson Jr., and the Grizzlies will have to figure out his contract situation in restricted free agency.

Valanciunas is a few months younger than Wright and could have a positive impact if all goes well. Valanciunas was set to return for the Raptors on Thursday evening from a thumb injury that had kept him out for 24 games. He should be healthy and ready to report to a Grizzlies team that will use him as a direct replacement for Gasol. He can be an excellent shooter, especially for his position. He mirrors Gasol in that regard, though his rebounding should be better than Gasol’s typically has been. He’s not the defender Gasol is (or should I say can be; Gasol’s impact there had been waning), but he’s not bad, either.

He’s a strong roll man in pick-and-roll sets, which should enable him to build chemistry with Mike Conley. Depending on how the team chooses to use him, there’s a good chance Valanciunas can find a role and a nice fit in Memphis, which would really help this trade improve in value.

As for Miles, the outlook is more pessimistic. Miles has not played well this year. His shooting numbers have fallen in each of the past two seasons. In effective field goal percentage, he went from the 88th percentile league-wide two seasons ago to 50th last year to 19th this season. His free throw shooting has plummeted, too. He’s a solid veteran presence but, at age 31, the worry is that his best days are behind him. Maybe he can find a spark in the Bluff City.

The 2024 second-round pick might end up being pretty good, as the Raptors will likely have cycled through their championship aspirations by then. It’s a long way away.

The contracts for the incoming players could be a problem, too. Wright’s restricted free agency should be no major issue, but Miles and Valanciunas both have player options for next season (Miles for $8.7 million, Valanciunas for $17.6 million). Would the Grizzlies want Valanciunas to opt in? Would they be looking to secure a more cap-friendly extension? It likely depends on his fit, his performance and the other potential options on the free-agent center market this summer. But it’s ultimately up to him.

More worryingly, the same is true of Miles, who looked likely not to opt in to his final season last summer, but whose lackluster season might have diminished the market for his services. If he opts in, that dents the Grizzlies’ cap number without them receiving extra compensation for it. The Grizzlies should feel free to take on bad salaries but should be paid for the service. In this case, should Miles opt in, that won’t happen.

If Wright turns into a player and forms part of the core group around Jackson, the deal will look much better. If Valanciunas plays to his highest potential, that would help. But the return for a player of Gasol’s level is quite lackluster, a reality check on the price of waiting too long to turn the page.

One last note on this deal — there will be time for proper eulogies of Gasol’s time in Memphis, but to sum it up quickly: He is the most skilled player to play for the Grizzlies. His three All-Star Game appearances, his Defensive Player of the Year award in the magical 2012-13 season, his miraculous recovery from an injury that has ended the careers of several other players, all of it was truly special. He chose to raise his family in Memphis and has become a part of the community off the court as well, with extensive charitable contributions and longtime involvement with helping kids at the world-renowned St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. Whether it was Marc or his brother, Pau, there has never been a Grizzlies game played in Memphis without a Gasol on the roster. Until now.

The head-scratcher

Memphis gets:

  • Avery Bradley

L.A. Clippers get:

  • Garrett Temple
  • JaMychal Green

The Grizzlies traded away two veteran expiring contracts in Green and Temple for one veteran non-expiring contract in Bradley. Sure, Bradley’s nearly $13 million salary is only partially guaranteed for $2 million, but that still necessitates the Grizzlies taking on salary for next season. And, since only the non-guaranteed portion of salary can be used for matching purposes in trades, the Grizzlies can’t reap the benefit of trading Bradley to a team looking to clear space. And for what? To what end was this service done?

No picks, not even a second-rounder involved in this trade. Nothing. Just the players. The Grizzlies squeeze a couple of million off the payroll this season, but that’s irrelevant from a competitive standpoint, and from a tax standpoint, too. The Grizzlies created a trade exception in the amount of Temple’s $8 million in the mechanics of the deal, which might come in handy down the line (it expires in one year’s time).

Bradley is a defensive-minded bulldog of a player, a bit undersized but with a lot of passion for stopping opponents. He’s not a great offensive player at all. Certainly, his attitude would fit right into the typical archetype of the Grit and Grind Grizzlies, but those days are done, and Bradley will need to provide offense to be of major on-court value.

This deal doesn’t make much sense. Surely there was a way, even if it meant taking on more bad money, to get some sort of draft pick from this move. Not getting that makes this pretty awful value for the Grizzlies.

The little trade that could

Memphis gets:

  • Tyler Dorsey

Atlanta gets:

  • Shelvin Mack

This has to be the smallest trade on deadline day. And one that signals the end of the Shelvin Mack Era in Memphis. Well, era is a bit strong, but what a fun three weeks or so, right? Followed, sadly, by declining performances that were increasingly hard to watch. Dorsey has not been good at all for the Hawks, but he’s only 22 and was teammates at Oregon with Dillon Brooks, so that’s something. Of all the trades the Grizzlies have ever done, this is certainly one of them.

Overall, to get a grand total of one second-round pick, to be conveyed in five years’ time, and to get no young prospects of note, while attempting to turn the page and build around 19-year-old Jackson is bizarre. The returns themselves were below par, even more so when considered in a bigger team-building sense. The Grizzlies started this process with two impact players under 23; they’ll end it with that same number. What did the events of Thursday do to help bolster the future core of the team?

When you wait until the last minute and you don’t have a long-term plan for what you want to accomplish, you can’t be surprised when you end up with a failing grade.

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We are rebuilding. We did absolutely nothing to help in a rebuild. Obtained no assets that help beyond next year, except a 2025 second rounder. I honestly believe someone from off the street could’ve gotten a better return for what was traded then we did yesterday. It’s baffling and will set us back, I really don’t see the Grizz being competitive while JJJ is on his rookie deal

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Just like the article said we backed or selfs into a corner .Gasol was going to walk no one wanted him Charlote was playing hard to get and we ran out of time.

CJ Miles and Bradley are the main issue for me their contracts especially .

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I still hate these trades with a passion because the team needs draft picks and young players with some upside in order to rebuild but Gary Parrish & Geoff Calkins talked about the trades on the radio yesterday afternoon, as you would expect. Their opinion is basically that the Grizzlies want to win just enough games over the next 3 months to convey the owed 1st round pick to Boston now rather than in 2020 or in 2021. So, the Grizz went with veteran guys in return for Gasol\Green\Temple rather than a bunch of draft picks or young, unproven players. I know that isn't what most of us want but that was their analysis on what is going on.

Their opinion is that the Grizzlies need & want to convey now in 2019 to Boston because the team will likely be so bad in 2020 that they can't convey (top 6 protected in 2020), which means that they would convey the pick in 2021 when it is unprotected. The team is likely to still be very bad in 2021, which could mean that they might be conveying a pick that is in the top 3 or top 4. So, they think the team is trying hard to win just enough games to convey now and getting the Jeff Green trade behind us rather than losing a top 3 pick or top 4 pick to Boston in 2021 with all of the agony that would bring.

I do sort of understand that logic but it still hurts to see the return that Memphis received.

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19 minutes ago, HPGrizz said:

I still hate these trades with a passion because the team needs draft picks and young players with some upside in order to rebuild but Gary Parrish & Geoff Calkins talked about the trades on the radio yesterday afternoon, as you would expect. Their opinion is basically that the Grizzlies want to win just enough games over the next 3 months to convey the owed 1st round pick to Boston now rather than in 2020 or in 2021. So, the Grizz went with veteran guys in return for Gasol\Green\Temple rather than a bunch of draft picks or young, unproven players. I know that isn't what most of us want but that was their analysis on what is going on.

Their opinion is that the Grizzlies need & want to convey now in 2019 to Boston because the team will likely be so bad in 2020 that they can't convey (top 6 protected in 2020), which means that they would convey the pick in 2021 when it is unprotected. The team is likely to still be very bad in 2021, which could mean that they might be conveying a pick that is in the top 3 or top 4. So, they think the team is trying hard to win just enough games to convey now and getting the Jeff Green trade behind us rather than losing a top 3 pick or top 4 pick to Boston in 2021 with all of the agony that would bring.

I do sort of understand that logic but it still hurts to see the return that Memphis received.

Further proof they need to go. So they are pushing back a rebuild just to cover their *** from the Green trade. Not to mention, we will probably end up at 7 or 8 this year which is worst case scenario. They should’ve traded for future assets and bottomed out this and next year. Then you have JJJ, two top 5 or so picks, and whatever assets you got from trades. 2021 you are going all out to build and win and that unprotected is dangerous, but you would also have cap room to sign some bets to fill in. 

But they didn’t. And now we will have absolutely nothing outside of JJJ next year, nothing. Very little chance of being competitive, and even worse, nobody to excite the city outside of JJJ who will want out ASAP. 

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I agree that the return is lackluster at best BUT understand the Bradley deal was done to facilitate the Gasol deal.   Because of his salary and the team wanting to sign Bruno they had to do a 2-1 deal and didn't want to take on longterm salary.   That severely limited the suitors for two dudes already battling injuries.   

  It was always known that if we fell into tank mode that Gasol and Conley would be available.    Which is why nobody offered any real value for either.     Gasol offer was bad but Conley market was actually worse considering how much he was actually coveted by the teams that pursued him.      Utah and Detroit literally only were offering protected 1rst rd pick and expiring contracts.    No young prospects not even extra picks and that was for Conley.     CHA was only team that wanted Marc and we were trying to move him so of course they had all the leverage.  

Frankly standing pat was not an option with Marc.    His presence was a hindrance to Jaren AND Rabb development.   Jonas is a GOOD player and Delon is a SOLID player.    CJ Miles is the bad contract not them.   Bradley isn't considered part of the future anyway.    If Delon blends with us then we can resign him longterm - 27 isn't ancient and we still need some vets on the team.    

Do you all realize that the moves we made allowed us to sign Bruno (guy that fits Jaren window) and we did pick up another young player in Tyler Dorsey.    Monk and Bridges WERE NOT AVAILABLE.    Charlotte also didn't offer Bacon or Graham.   So what young player did we miss out on?    Malachi Richardson?  I am sure we could've gotten him cuz TOR dumped him to PHI for nothing.   Would that have satiated yall?     

Rebuilding around Jaren doesn't mean we dump every vet on the team and get a bunch of 19y olds.    Look at PHO they have tons of young players and still suck.    Best environment has a mix of both solid vets and promising youth.     I agree we need more promising youth but Conley and Gasol couldn't get us that.   We have spent years complaining about our poor roster and assets. YET some of ya'll believe these same garbage assets are valued by other teams???

Standing Pat would've been the worst move.   Same thing for moving Mike for the deals offered.    Jonas will have more value to a team as an expiring than Gasol will this summer.    Conley can still be flipped this summer (i think this will happen - dude looked demoralized last night).   

 

YES the deals were underwhelming BUT so were our ASSETS.  

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24 minutes ago, HPGrizz said:

I still hate these trades with a passion because the team needs draft picks and young players with some upside in order to rebuild but Gary Parrish & Geoff Calkins talked about the trades on the radio yesterday afternoon, as you would expect. Their opinion is basically that the Grizzlies want to win just enough games over the next 3 months to convey the owed 1st round pick to Boston now rather than in 2020 or in 2021. So, the Grizz went with veteran guys in return for Gasol\Green\Temple rather than a bunch of draft picks or young, unproven players. I know that isn't what most of us want but that was their analysis on what is going on.

Their opinion is that the Grizzlies need & want to convey now in 2019 to Boston because the team will likely be so bad in 2020 that they can't convey (top 6 protected in 2020), which means that they would convey the pick in 2021 when it is unprotected. The team is likely to still be very bad in 2021, which could mean that they might be conveying a pick that is in the top 3 or top 4. So, they think the team is trying hard to win just enough games to convey now and getting the Jeff Green trade behind us rather than losing a top 3 pick or top 4 pick to Boston in 2021 with all of the agony that would bring.

I do sort of understand that logic but it still hurts to see the return that Memphis received.

This is clearly the best plan of action and that should be obvious. Getting a guy just as good as Gasol but 7 years younger is fine for that short term goal. That trumps taking some young garbage "asset" like Malik Monk if you end up keeping the 2021 pick because thats the young asset this team needs to protect right now.

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I was fully prepared to be underwhelmed by any moves that we made- and expected to not get a fair return on either Marc or Mike.  The FO did not disappoint.  The issue, again, was the whole you are traded before you are traded thing.  After that, you lost.  You were not going to win on any trade you made from that point forward. 

Pretty hard to fathom how that can keep happening to the same folks.  Not surprising anymore, but difficult to understand how it is allowed to continue.

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5 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I agree that the return is lackluster at best BUT understand the Bradley deal was done to facilitate the Gasol deal.   Because of his salary and the team wanting to sign Bruno they had to do a 2-1 deal and didn't want to take on longterm salary.   That severely limited the suitors for two dudes already battling injuries.   

  It was always known that if we fell into tank mode that Gasol and Conley would be available.    Which is why nobody offered any real value for either.     Gasol offer was bad but Conley market was actually worse considering how much he was actually coveted by the teams that pursued him.      Utah and Detroit literally only were offering protected 1rst rd pick and expiring contracts.    No young prospects not even extra picks and that was for Conley.     CHA was only team that wanted Marc and we were trying to move him so of course they had all the leverage.  

Frankly standing pat was not an option with Marc.    His presence was a hindrance to Jaren AND Rabb development.   Jonas is a GOOD player and Delon is a SOLID player.    CJ Miles is the bad contract not them.   Bradley isn't considered part of the future anyway.    If Delon blends with us then we can resign him longterm - 27 isn't ancient and we still need some vets on the team.    

Do you all realize that the moves we made allowed us to sign Bruno (guy that fits Jaren window) and we did pick up another young player in Tyler Dorsey.    Monk and Bridges WERE NOT AVAILABLE.    Charlotte also didn't offer Bacon or Graham.   So what young player did we miss out on?    Malachi Richardson?  I am sure we could've gotten him cuz TOR dumped him to PHI for nothing.   Would that have satiated yall?     

Rebuilding around Jaren doesn't mean we dump every vet on the team and get a bunch of 19y olds.    Look at PHO they have tons of young players and still suck.    Best environment has a mix of both solid vets and promising youth.     I agree we need more promising youth but Conley and Gasol couldn't get us that.   We have spent years complaining about our poor roster and assets. YET some of ya'll believe these same garbage assets are valued by other teams???

Standing Pat would've been the worst move.   Same thing for moving Mike for the deals offered.    Jonas will have more value to a team as an expiring than Gasol will this summer.    Conley can still be flipped this summer (i think this will happen - dude looked demoralized last night).   

 

YES the deals were underwhelming BUT so were our ASSETS.  

Yes to this.

As for the protected pick, does everyone realize the pick Toronto gave to SA with Derozan and Poettl for Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green was TOP 20 protected. I like picks too but teams guard these picks with their lives these days, even the low ones.

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i think boston called in one last favor , we had to improve enough to win just enough to get them the 9th pick to help them get AD

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The front office is not going to fire itself, especially as the owner is part of the front office.

 

I don't understand why people are so freaked out over the Gasol trade, especially folks who could not go a week without complaining about him.  In one thread it was "He's moody, past his prime, slows the offense and freezes out other players", but in another thread it would be, "we need to trade Gasol for the first round pick and young assets to build around JJJ"......it made no sense.  (I do think Gasol will opt in for Toronto next year as he will not get more money anywhere else and the team is competitive)

 

And GTF already pointed out the purpose of the Avery Bradley deal, and he made a point that needs to be stated again: 

10 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

YES the deals were underwhelming BUT so were our ASSETS.  

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I agree that the return is lackluster at best BUT understand the Bradley deal was done to facilitate the Gasol deal.   Because of his salary and the team wanting to sign Bruno they had to do a 2-1 deal and didn't want to take on longterm salary.   That severely limited the suitors for two dudes already battling injuries.   

  It was always known that if we fell into tank mode that Gasol and Conley would be available.    Which is why nobody offered any real value for either.     Gasol offer was bad but Conley market was actually worse considering how much he was actually coveted by the teams that pursued him.      Utah and Detroit literally only were offering protected 1rst rd pick and expiring contracts.    No young prospects not even extra picks and that was for Conley.     CHA was only team that wanted Marc and we were trying to move him so of course they had all the leverage.  

Frankly standing pat was not an option with Marc.    His presence was a hindrance to Jaren AND Rabb development.   Jonas is a GOOD player and Delon is a SOLID player.    CJ Miles is the bad contract not them.   Bradley isn't considered part of the future anyway.    If Delon blends with us then we can resign him longterm - 27 isn't ancient and we still need some vets on the team.    

Do you all realize that the moves we made allowed us to sign Bruno (guy that fits Jaren window) and we did pick up another young player in Tyler Dorsey.    Monk and Bridges WERE NOT AVAILABLE.    Charlotte also didn't offer Bacon or Graham.   So what young player did we miss out on?    Malachi Richardson?  I am sure we could've gotten him cuz TOR dumped him to PHI for nothing.   Would that have satiated yall?     

Rebuilding around Jaren doesn't mean we dump every vet on the team and get a bunch of 19y olds.    Look at PHO they have tons of young players and still suck.    Best environment has a mix of both solid vets and promising youth.     I agree we need more promising youth but Conley and Gasol couldn't get us that.   We have spent years complaining about our poor roster and assets. YET some of ya'll believe these same garbage assets are valued by other teams???

Standing Pat would've been the worst move.   Same thing for moving Mike for the deals offered.    Jonas will have more value to a team as an expiring than Gasol will this summer.    Conley can still be flipped this summer (i think this will happen - dude looked demoralized last night).   

 

YES the deals were underwhelming BUT so were our ASSETS.  

There was certainly a method to the madness that the grizzlies made these moves. I was initially shocked and dismayed by the deal, but I have grown to realize that the deal wasn't all that bad.

Marc was 34 and was declining fast, he doesn't have a window anymore. The grizzlies got back a player who is 8 years younger than him. The reality of it was that Marc wasn't really worth OG, but the grizzlies did get what could potentially be a valuable 2nd round pick, which they could easily flip for a first rounder this year in a danny ainge special. 2024 was most likely a grizzlies request rather than a Toronto one.

The grizzlies upgraded their backup pg spot as well, so all in all the grizzlies didn't do as bad as people want to act like. We can fool ourselves because gasol WAS a legend, but he ain't that anymore and teams realize that.

The mike conley market, if teams who needed him, were not willing to do a tobias harris type deal for him, then they are the stupid ones. Conley is still a top 10 point guard in the league, with a battle-tested playoff resume. Utah were idiots. 

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6 minutes ago, Kevin B Moses said:

There was certainly a method to the madness that the grizzlies made these moves. I was initially shocked and dismayed by the deal, but I have grown to realize that the deal wasn't all that bad.

Marc was 34 and was declining fast, he doesn't have a window anymore. The grizzlies got back a player who is 8 years younger than him. The reality of it was that Marc wasn't really worth OG, but the grizzlies did get what could potentially be a valuable 2nd round pick, which they could easily flip for a first rounder this year in a danny ainge special. 2024 was most likely a grizzlies request rather than a Toronto one.

The grizzlies upgraded their backup pg spot as well, so all in all the grizzlies didn't do as bad as people want to act like. We can fool ourselves because gasol WAS a legend, but he ain't that anymore and teams realize that.

The mike conley market, if teams who needed him, were not willing to do a tobias harris type deal for him, then they are the stupid ones. Conley is still a top 10 point guard in the league, with a battle-tested playoff resume. Utah were idiots. 

Wow, I can actually agree with all of a KBM post.

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4 minutes ago, Kevin B Moses said:

There was certainly a method to the madness that the grizzlies made these moves. I was initially shocked and dismayed by the deal, but I have grown to realize that the deal wasn't all that bad.

Marc was 34 and was declining fast, he doesn't have a window anymore. The grizzlies got back a player who is 8 years younger than him. The reality of it was that Marc wasn't really worth OG, but the grizzlies did get what could potentially be a valuable 2nd round pick, which they could easily flip for a first rounder this year in a danny ainge special. 2024 was most likely a grizzlies request rather than a Toronto one.

The grizzlies upgraded their backup pg spot as well, so all in all the grizzlies didn't do as bad as people want to act like. We can fool ourselves because gasol WAS a legend, but he ain't that anymore and teams realize that.

The mike conley market, if teams who needed him, were not willing to do a tobias harris type deal for him, then they are the stupid ones. Conley is still a top 10 point guard in the league, with a battle-tested playoff resume. Utah were idiots. 

+100

Avery >> Temple

Delon >>> Mack

JonasV > Gasol

Rabb > >JaMyke

Am i missing something??

Marc Temple and JaM were consistently losing value.    We didn't move them at their peak hell they were INJURED.   

Once again what did we pass up????  Biz and MKG or Kaminsky??      1rst rd pick that potentially won't be any better than Bruno or Tyler Dorsey?? 

Lakers and Lebron don't want Marc.    AD and Porzingas destroyed the market even further.     

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1 hour ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

Yesterday has to go down as one of the biggest nothing days in Grizz history. I still cannot understand how anyone can even not understand why I said the team should not making any moves until after the Wallace is gone and now, it's not just Wallace. it's ALL of the them. The entire grizz front office needs to be fired and replaced. They have no go forward strategy, they have no plan, they don't have any positive relationships and ties with front offices from other teams, we are outcasts in the NBA universe. These milquetoast-type trades how me what I already know, this f.o. is beyond incompetent. I didn't expect to get anything of value back for Marc, that's why I said let him leave in the summer. At least that way, we can start over and won't have any longer term contracts on our books. Now we have CJ friggen MIles with an $8 mil player option for next season. You don't think he's going to pick that up? Jonas Valentiniues has an $17.6 mil player option for next year, you don't think he will pick that up? S0 we find ourselves in the same position just with lesser players. and there is a $3.6 mil QO on Wright. how does this put us in a better place? Miles is 31 years old, how does that help the youth movement?  A friggen second round pick in 2150? WTF?  The Avery Bradley trade was just plain dumb. Temple and Bradley were expiring contracts yet they picked up a declining Bradley who has a $13 mil team option for next year. Obviously, they can decline the option but why?

Just as the Selden/Brooks for Holiday trade was just doing a trade just to do a trade, all of these trades yesterday were teh exact same thing. They had no plan, no strategy, there's been talk of confusion and miscommunication. The front office isn't even on the same page as itself. That's why I want to go around the horn and see what others are saying:

Now don't sugar coat it ODk. Tell us how you really feel. 😄

I would be very happy if Jonas picks up his option honestly. I suspect you are right that we are stuck with an aging and inefficient CJ MIles for another season. I would like to see Delon Wright show something with extended minutes at the point behind Mike Conley. The 2024 second round draft pick was a slap in the face personally. I am insulted that was thrown in at all. 

The Bradley trade is ho-hum. The team needed to do it to get back under the luxury tax so I support it in that respect. I like that the Grizzlies have the option at least to keep Bradley or not this summer. He was well respected at one time after all. If he doesn't perform then the Grizzlies don't have to pick up the option. 

I do support the Mack for Dorsey trade. Dorsey played with Brooks at Oregon. Maybe bringing in his old teammate will convince Brooks to play nice when his contract is up. 

The Grizzlies clearly didn't get top dollar if JV and Wright leave via free agency, Miles picks up his option and Bradley isn't worth anything but that's the worst case scenario. In the meantime JV, Bradley and Wright could help the team win a few more games this season, at least enough to allow the Grizzlies to transfer their pick to Boston. That should be the team's goal moving forward. 

I also don't believe Wallace, Hollinger, Makris or Prince had a lot to do with these moves so replacing all of them won't make a huge difference (although I am in favor of Wallace and Hollinger moving to their next challenges in life). I believe Gasol went to Pera, told him he wanted to play for Toronto if he is going to be traded and Pera did his friend a favor. All the other trades revolved around making the Gasol to Toronto trade happen.

It worked out financially for the team's ownership group, it may absolve the franchise of that lingering debt of the pick to Boston and frees up a ton of cap space moving forward to help the next administration rebuild the franchise. It could have been better but it also could have been a lot worse. 

 

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One point on the Front Office is they need to realize the value of information and how to use the media.

Either all these other front offices are sending Wojnarowski and Shams info bombs related to the Grizzlies, or they are shooting themselves in the foot.  It is not just this trade deadline, but it has been all year, and while the fan base believed that Parsons leaked the fight info (highly doubtful he did), all these stupid releases to the media are not helping local PR, and can't be helping deals get done.

 

WIndhorst pointed out that there are info wars out there, but I have to think a lot of the damage the Grizzlies received was self inflicted.

 

 

 

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People also are truly underestimating the fact that Gasol needed to go.   He is playing Jaren's natural position and he handcuffed us to a playstyle that doesn't fit the rest of the roster.      We saw last season what Marc looks like on a bad team.   Does anyone think his value would've jumped this summer?    

Smartest move was they didn't trade Conley for peanuts.   That actually showed there is a method to their madness.    They removed  JB's main crutches JaM, Marc, Temple, and Mac.     Who knows we may actually see better coaching from JB by default because he doesn't have them around. 

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our FO needs to come to terms that you gotta hoard assets , trading tyreke and not going after holiday could have put us in the running for mirotic and and maybe Tobias if we had our picks .  you can do this while winning you don't have to blow everything up like Hinkie and trot out garbage for a few years if you dont redshirt your youngsters ,  

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12 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

I believe Gasol went to Pera, told him he wanted to play for Toronto if he is going to be traded and Pera did his friend a favor. All the other trades revolved around making the Gasol to Toronto trade happen.

I think there is validity to this but remember TOR has been coveting Gasol for a long time (rumored for years).   They were always the best fit for him.   When i first wanted to trade Gasol 3yrs ago.  I scoured message boards and TOR fans wanted to flip him for Jonas back then.  

I think Conley was angling to get to Indy and Oladipo injury pretty much killed that.   He wants to be an Allstar and doing it in his hometown would be perfect.    Still may be an option this summer and wouldn't be surprised if it happens then.   So not all is lost. 

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3 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I think there is validity to this but remember TOR has been coveting Gasol for a long time (rumored for years).   They were always the best fit for him.   When i first wanted to trade Gasol 3yrs ago.  I scoured message boards and TOR fans wanted to flip him for Jonas back then.  

I think Conley was angling to get to Indy and Oladipo injury pretty much killed that.   He wants to be an Allstar and doing it in his hometown would be perfect.    Still may be an option this summer and wouldn't be surprised if it happens then.   So not all is lost. 

I am not encouraged with the prospect of this front office/ownership group being more interested in pleasing players than fans or the franchise. Jonas, the prize piece of the Gasol trade, can walk this summer as can Wright. That doesn't make me feel very good about the team's prospects. Hopefully that won't happen but not getting anyone with a few years left on their rookie contract or decent draft picks has dulled me to the prospects moving forward. 

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we should pushed for powell or send miles,temple to lac.

 

 i have 0 faith that CW will use bradley as an asset or anything else really  thats not what our FO / Owner or whoever wants to do .it's these little deals we should be doing that can kills me ,  you will rarely get fair value when trading guys like Gasol , Conley etcc unless you are gonna wheel and deal like Jerry West has done with the clips .

the return for Griffin is looking awesome , but it took a GM making tons of deals and seeing the big picture instead of trying to get everything at once and calling it a day .

  • Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
  • Landry Shamet
  • Wilson Chandler
  • Garrett Temple
  • JaMychal Green
  • Ivica Zubac
  • Michael Beasley
  • Detroit Pistons 2019 2nd-Round Pick
  • Philadelphia 76ers 2020 1st-Round Pick (Lottery Protected)
  • Miami Heat 2021 1st-Round Pick (Unprotected)
  • Philadelphia 76ers 2021 2nd-Round Pick
  • Philadelphia 76ers 2023 2nd-Round Pick

he actually cleared the books , got Sham , Alexander  , Zubac two 1st , 3 2nds

 

 he saved the CLIPS money sending us bradley becuase he looking forward and isn't making moves fpr NOW like we do year in and  year out 

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22 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I think there is validity to this but remember TOR has been coveting Gasol for a long time (rumored for years).   They were always the best fit for him.   When i first wanted to trade Gasol 3yrs ago.  I scoured message boards and TOR fans wanted to flip him for Jonas back then.  

I think Conley was angling to get to Indy and Oladipo injury pretty much killed that.   He wants to be an Allstar and doing it in his hometown would be perfect.    Still may be an option this summer and wouldn't be surprised if it happens then.   So not all is lost. 

You keep saying this but you have no proof other than a debuked report by conely himself.

I'm not going to let you keep feeding a myth

If you have other proof please share

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26 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I think there is validity to this but remember TOR has been coveting Gasol for a long time (rumored for years).   They were always the best fit for him.   When i first wanted to trade Gasol 3yrs ago.  I scoured message boards and TOR fans wanted to flip him for Jonas back then.  

I think Conley was angling to get to Indy and Oladipo injury pretty much killed that.   He wants to be an Allstar and doing it in his hometown would be perfect.    Still may be an option this summer and wouldn't be surprised if it happens then.   So not all is lost. 

It is strange to me that they would want Gasol when it appears that they had decided JV was not a good fit for what they wanted to do and had severely cut back his minutes even before he was injured. Gasol's game and JV's game are very similar. Is Gasol a better fit for them at center than Ibaka?

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