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8 minutes ago, Memphisyank said:

All the pundits are saying we did well. I am ok with the draft. it was not what or who I wanted, and I sort of wish we had Effed up the Dallas Atlanta deal, just to do it. but it didn't overall fit with our plan. we still need to get some scoring with the MLE or Parsons will have to be 75% of his former self. 

I hope the front office pulls parsons aside, and says we are going to trade you, for you to land in a decent spot you need to show us the player you were for this year so we can trade you the following year. 

What I'm bummed about is; this kid is 2 years away from being 2 years away.

I doubt he's going to help us at all next year. So it's really hard for me to get excited about him.

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3 hours ago, Zappastache said:

Biggest thing I learned from this draft is how important the "smokescreen" is around your pick. It's important that other teams think you are interested in their guy, even if you aren't. 

The smokescreen is for the fans, and to maintain interest in the draft. When the people doing the picking are all aware of smokescreening, there's really no point doing it except for show.  

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2 hours ago, ItIsWhatItIs said:

I give them a D.

(applies custom IIWII conversion filter)  

So you're saying they did quite well, then? 

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3 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

What I'm bummed about is; this kid is 2 years away from being 2 years away.

I doubt he's going to help us at all next year. So it's really hard for me to get excited about him.

Unlike the guy drafted 27th who was not even the best big on his own college team. 

And think... SOME people wanted to use #4 on drafting him.

 

and...

Did you hear the one about the guy who fell to #14 who won't even play his first two years?

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7 hours ago, TonyMassenturd said:

C-

1st rd: It's the same Grizz draft that we're used to---draft project player with high ceiling and all the tools. Hope like hell that he can be developed. I mean, one of these guys has to pan out eventually, right? It's frustrating that there were players that could start NOW available who also have star potential.

2nd rd: Another Grizz special---overthink the draft to the point where you go against your own scouting methods. Jevon Carter is a very good defensive player, but he's not what we need with Conley's injury history. The front office stresses the value of PER---so, how do you choose Carter over the better-all-around Jalen Brunson, whose PER is also significantly better (not to mention his much more impressive college resume'?)

As I've said before, these kids aren't bad players. But, they're terrible fits for our franchise and team needs. If a good franchise with a similar team-build made these same picks I'd give them an F, but as a Grizz fan, these drafts that are shockingly ignorant towards fit and need are par for the course and need to be graded on a curve. So, I give them a C-.

Brunson PER last season : 26.9
Carter PER last season : 24.9

Brunson last season : 18.9 pts, 4.6 assists, 3.1 rebs, 0.6 steals, 0 blocks per game
Carter last season : 17.3 pts, 6.6 assists, 4.6 rebs, 3 steals, 0.4 blocks per game

Brunson was a first team all-American and Big East player of the year.
Carter was a second team all-American and Naismith Defensive player of the year.

The difference between them isn't as significant except that Brunson played on a team with more talent that eventually won the NC. Individually, they are comparable IMO.

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18 minutes ago, grizz1016 said:

Brunson PER last season : 26.9
Carter PER last season : 24.9

Brunson last season : 18.9 pts, 4.6 assists, 3.1 rebs, 0.6 steals, 0 blocks per game
Carter last season : 17.3 pts, 6.6 assists, 4.6 rebs, 3 steals, 0.4 blocks per game

Brunson was a first team all-American and Big East player of the year.
Carter was a second team all-American and Naismith Defensive player of the year.

The difference between them isn't as significant except that Brunson played on a team with more talent that eventually won the NC. Individually, they are comparable IMO.

3 steals! ????

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43 minutes ago, grizz1016 said:

Brunson PER last season : 26.9
Carter PER last season : 24.9

Brunson last season : 18.9 pts, 4.6 assists, 3.1 rebs, 0.6 steals, 0 blocks per game
Carter last season : 17.3 pts, 6.6 assists, 4.6 rebs, 3 steals, 0.4 blocks per game

Brunson was a first team all-American and Big East player of the year.
Carter was a second team all-American and Naismith Defensive player of the year.

The difference between them isn't as significant except that Brunson played on a team with more talent that eventually won the NC. Individually, they are comparable IMO.

Boom!  Thank you!  So when in doubt choose the one that fits the culture and actually has ties to the city.      

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8 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

I would have liked to have have bought a 2nd rounder and taken Kostas Freaktempo.  He went 60 to the Sixers but they traded him to Dallas (I think).

The Sixers TRADED two of the top 5 guys on my Big Board (along with Mikal Bridges).

NY got two highly talented players and they could BOTH be flat-out STUDS -- Kevin Knox aka Special K and Mitch "FREAKKNICK" Rob.  At worst, Wall Street gets a great law firm of Mitchell Robinson & Knox.

I think the most "talented" players in this draft were Robinson and Sexton.  The kid with freak "upside" potential was Lil' Greek Freak.  

Although the "BEST" player or GREATEST player out of this draft could turn out to be Jaren Jackson, Jr.  Some guys may put up better stats, but I think JJJ helps a team win more.

Undrafted guys I like: Wenyen Gabriel, Rob Gray, and Malik Newman (all first rounders on my Big Board).  Theo Pinson looks interesting (2nd round on my Big Board).  Johnathan Williams might be a nice stretch shooter (although with a low ceiling) for us.  I wonder if we bring him in with the summer league team.  Although we already have Jevon Carter, I wonder if we take a look at Chris Chiozza (we already worked him out).  Still some nice role player types out there.  Or, Tacko Fall as a potential Mo Bamba stopper.  Brandon McCoy wasn't drafted.  He's solid.  Ideal 2nd/3rd string center type.  

Hmm, wonder if we should have bought a late 2nd rounder for a Euro Stash guy.  The Euros weren't picked super high and we probably won't have our 1st rounder next season.  A Euro Stash guy this year could be our top rookie for next season.  Oh well.

you weren't by chance a Ritalin kid were you?

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1 hour ago, MEM GRYZ said:

A+

Grizzlies drafted Kevin Garnett and Mark Jackson. Will contend for 2019 Eastern Conference title.

 

06222018_grizz_draft_portraits_murphy_04 

The guy on the left looks like a cross between Alvin Robertson and Chauncey Billups. The guy on the right looks like the Michael Jordan of big men.

#jacksoncarter2020

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Jaren Jackson Jr.: C-

I'm not a JJJ fan. He isn't all bad, but he is a long-term project with no guarantees. That doesn't fit with the win-50 Mark & Mike program. Even more concerning is that there are serious doubts about him ever panning out at all. He is really a huge gamble. Also, when you consider the #3 - #5 trade it seems we got somewhat outfoxed. 

The good news is that he does have a lot of nascent offensive skill and a great physical profile and athleticism. He would fit well next to Gasol as a athletic defender/rebounder. Also, this makes him seem like a pretty cool guy to me: 

I would have taken Wendell Carter Jr.

Jevon Carter: B-

I don't have anything against this pick, it's just kinda meh whatever. I don't foresee big things from, but there wasn't a player that I esp. did like at this point either. I DO kind of like the emphasis on DEFENSE. It is good for a team to have an identity. Maybe this means we are reestablishing ours.

I would have taken my own personal flyer on De'Anthony Melton.

Full Draft: C-

This #4 pick had a lot of promise, but all we really got was a gamble that won't pan out for a few years. It doesn't seem like there is a clear plan going forward. I hope JJJ works out, but that is, for the moment, all any of us can do.

 

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4 hours ago, tennesseessio said:

Jaren Jackson Jr.: C-

I'm not a JJJ fan. He isn't all bad, but he is a long-term project with no guarantees. That doesn't fit with the win-50 Mark & Mike program. Even more concerning is that there are serious doubts about him ever panning out at all. He is really a huge gamble. Also, when you consider the #3 - #5 trade it seems we got somewhat outfoxed. 

The good news is that he does have a lot of nascent offensive skill and a great physical profile and athleticism. He would fit well next to Gasol as a athletic defender/rebounder. Also, this makes him seem like a pretty cool guy to me: 

I would have taken Wendell Carter Jr.

Jevon Carter: B-

I don't have anything against this pick, it's just kinda meh whatever. I don't foresee big things from, but there wasn't a player that I esp. did like at this point either. I DO kind of like the emphasis on DEFENSE. It is good for a team to have an identity. Maybe this means we are reestablishing ours.

I would have taken my own personal flyer on De'Anthony Melton.

Full Draft: C-

This #4 pick had a lot of promise, but all we really got was a gamble that won't pan out for a few years. It doesn't seem like there is a clear plan going forward. I hope JJJ works out, but that is, for the moment, all any of us can do.

 

Where do you see serious doubts about JJJ not planning out? Almost every media outlet thinks he will be good to great.

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I'll go B+. I love defense so it was an awesome draft 

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I think its a B- or a C+ , we need offense in here, for the short and longterm. I know this team is about GnG, but you can teach that and for me GnG is more about maximum effort than a defense specialist.

Like I said on the draft thread, I like 5 guys in the draft, Ayton (best player / easily gone) , Bagley (like the fit and effort [GnG] but he has some concerns) , Doncic (this should be our guy, its like when we drafted Henry and George was 2 spots over him) , Young  (was the best player available,  FO dont want to make MC feel odd and took the easy road) and Porter like I said many times depend if he is healthy and seems he is not.

I was against a trade down, and I am still against, CW and company dont know how to do their jobs, its not like you guys can defend that, its being years of mess after mess and the same things coming.

I cant remember a time that he drafted a kid and didnt said " this is the player that we wanted all along". We wanted Doncic or Bagley and they were out of the board, we all know that, and to make clear, with the bad lucky the Grizzlies always has or some Nba rigged we were in a difficult position. But a good GM could have made a deal and get Doncic, if you look what Dallas did, we lost the chance to make it happen because we traded a 1st for Jeff Green and because we wont were agressive enought.

Young + Jam + Mclemore + couple of 2nds for Doncic + Bazemore could have done but if not, we could have traded Marc for Tyson Chandler + Dudley +16th (turned into Mikal - Suns has a future), {I would ask for 31st too to try to move both of our seconds into the late 1st, but that is other case} ; the thing is you could have went after something to get up and make sure you get a safer pick than 3J.

And if we end with Young after all I would be more calm and happy about the future, Doncic would be the perfect pick in the situation we had on draft night (Ayton / Bagley for sure gone and Porter injuried).

So, that being said, 3J is a gamble, a project, I like the kid character and the best case scenario potential wise, but he will take 3 to 5 years to become the Center of this franchise, this is I want us to devolop him, play him at pf 1st but mold him into a modern replacement for Marc. If he becomes a version of Ibaka/Capela  or even a Bosh/Garnett we dont screwed this thing.

 

 

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3 hours ago, guillermo said:

JJJ has as much unicorn potential as everyone's favorite unicorn foal Bamba

 

 

 

 

I don't see how some posters don't get that.   Bamba isn't nearly as agile as JJJ so he is stuck as traditional Center.   JJJ already has shown REAL defensive versatility and 3pt shooting with shades of off dribble game.  

Freak Measurements don't automatically equate to unicorn status - I think that's what's confusing them.   

 

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4 hours ago, grizzgolf said:

I'll go B+. I love defense so it was an awesome draft 

That's about right.

JJJ was not my first choice, I was a Bagley fan.  But JJJ was Big 10 freshman or the year and Big 10 defensive MVP.

Weren't people on here whining about needing a rim protector?  Doncic certainly wouldn't have been that.

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1 hour ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I don't see how some posters don't get that.   Bamba isn't nearly as agile as JJJ so he is stuck as traditional Center.   JJJ already has shown REAL defensive versatility and 3pt shooting with shades of off dribble game.  

Freak Measurements don't automatically equate to unicorn status - I think that's what's confusing them.   

 

I dont get why you guys went high on him so fast, he is a project, he might have a unique unicorn potential, but he could be nearly a role player, at #4 you can describe that as a bust or a stela in it case, he is no Thabeet for sure.

I already made it clear, you cant count on him next year and maybe the year after that, but I see his transition for the Center in the future if he realizes his potential as a major piece going foward.

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I can't believe so many people are stuck on him not contributing for 2 more years. We want to compete next year, but I don't see the big difference whether the pick we give Boston is good or not. We are giving up the pick eventually, might as well get it over with and start the rebuild asap. And if we give up the pick next year, we will want to be tanking for another pick the year afterwards. So why is it bad thing if it takes JJJ until year 3? 

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if he picks up on schemes, stays out of foul trouble he may end up our most valuable defensive player by years end- a unicorn on defense- protect rim and guard pick and roll/switch

defensive versatility plus hopefully a three ball- that's a good start 

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I would have been ok with Wendell Carter as a short term help but in the long term, JJJ might be the better answer.

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5 hours ago, guillermo said:

JJJ has as much unicorn potential as everyone's favorite unicorn foal Bamba

 

 

 

 

BEST fit for either of these two were in Memphis in a defense/rebounding first scheme a la a Bad Boys or Spurs dynasty.

Bamba might get lost in Orlando.  

Not sure that is a great franchise right now.  But, same with Sacto.

Probably the best two flyover markets at the top of this draft are us and Dallas.

With Phoenix and Atlanta being wild cards.  Those franchises are due so who knows.

Between JJJ and Bamba, once Dallas tipped its hand and we found out about them wanting to trade up for Doncic then that told me (well, I didn't fully realize it until just now) that the Mavs didn't really want Bamba.  If Dallas liked BOTH Luka AND Bamba then 1 of those two might have still been there at 5 -- or you trade with us at 4 instead of having to move up TWO spots.

I think Atlanta popped the Snowflake Ball Era when they took Trae Young (trading down) with Luka, JJJ, and Bamba as options.  Collin Sexton would have even been MY pick for point guard.  I think Sexton/Huerter would have been a NASTY combo.

 

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