Kevin B Moses

doubt it

way to jinx the kid, and you are already wrong because the league is pushing Zion Williamson. Your faulty logic is that since Ja and Jaren are flashier they will get star treatment. Since when does that matter. Zion is already getting the star treatment and he hasn't played 1 game. Faulty logic.

I disagree there was one playoff series where the grizzlies were relegated to nbatv and there game got higher viewership than the prime time game. Everybody loved grit n grind, except adam silver. The fact that you think the minimal amount of national games are indicative of how the grizzlies draw is your first problem. The grizzlies didn't get any push by the league and really lebron is the only player that really moved the needle in that area.

why did the grizzlies never get a Christmas day game even after they went to the Western finals the year before when you answer that question you'll get your answer that you just asked to your question

Why because he didn't do anything but make the stars he played against look like fools? Lol, why because Mike had career years after he started taking more shots and that was a direct influence of fizdale. Y'all can instantly love Ja and Jaren and they haven't done squat and they are not likely to do what the boring gng grizzlies did. But hey, we'll have the flying wallendas on our team and we can hero worship them every time they go in for a monster dunk and then lose the game by 20. I see your future without mike conley and the boring gng team and outlook does not look good.

You really ride for the grizzlies past just like I do which is what I appreciate. The grizzlies were so close to titles if they would have had different luck. I just hope Conley can win a championship with Utah this year that would make my year for sure, and all the Conley haters on this board can eat Crow and live with it

What makes superstars superstars is the desire to be great. It's a killer instinct. Jaren hasn't show that, so I don't know if he will ever be that. He has all the talent in the world though and he is just 18 so he could become a superstar, absolutely.

Rudy Gay was closer to Kawhi Leonard than Jaren is. Come on man.

You actually made a good point, would you trade tmac for tony allen, most likely not. That seems pretty ridiculous. However, last year the clippers traded blake griffin and the year before that they traded chris paul: the two superstars on their team and it did not end up hurting them in the long run. They even traded tobias harris at the deadline and that didn't matter. So yeah, I agree with you that it seems ridiculous to trade a top 5 offensive player like tmac for a top 2 defensive player (at guard) for tony allen, nobody would ever do that without ulterior motives, yet the fact that the clippers were trying to get cap space and did this might give a glimpse into what that might look like. The fact is the clippers thrived rather than faltered. So I don't know.

But you said that a great offensive one on one player is always more valuable than a defensive one. In this case, harden was probably the best one on one scorer in the league and teams have been able to shut him down, and go ask Klay Thompson about Tony Allen, dude gets night-sweats thinking about playing against tony, lol.

go read any chip post and you will see what I'm talking about

Another thing too, James Harden has been consistently a playoff under-performer due to the fact that good defensive teams are able to game plan for him and stop him.

I'm not sure that is true, it's certainly easier to see, but defense (especially the kind tony played) is about making a player do things that they don't want to do, and I've seen 1 player on defense guard both sides of the court at once. Will a player sometimes score over a good defense, sure, but but 1 defensive player can wreck an entire offense.

what???? Alight I'm done.

I actually have not changed the question, I gave an analogy to support my position that tony deserves consideration. But like dwash said, defense isn't valued in this league the same way offense is, and that's the bottom line. When I brought up tmac, you (as simple-mined arguer that you are) instead of trying to point out the obvious: the league doesn't value defense, deal with it, want to explain how everything is logical in the nba universe. There is no logic to it. Tmac was a scorer, and that's all he was, if you believe anything else, you are trolling.