Grizzled Vet

With free agency soon starting, here are list of free agents for discussion. Current Grizzlies free agents: Delon Wright (RFA), Tyler Dorsey (RFA), JV, Joakim Noah, Justin Holiday, Tyler Zeller (I believe Yuta is technically a RFA) Remaining free agents - please feel free to correct or update status (like various club or player options). Generally, I didn't list a guy if they didn't average 15 mpg or more (Unless they at one time were a discussion topic on this board or former Grizzlies player). I'm using the Spotrac.com player positions, which differ from other sites. Guards: Kyrie, Jimmy Bulter, Klay, Rubio, JJ Redick, Kemba, KCP, Alec Burks, Terrence Ross, Shumpert, Danny Green, Darren Collison, Rondo, Jerryd Bayless, Garrett Temple, Cory Joseph, Jeremy Lamb, Mario Hezonja, Ish Smith, Patrick Beverly, D'Angelo Russel (RFA), Lance Stephenson, George Hill, Glenn Robinson, JJ Barea, Rodney Hood, Emmanuel Mudiay(RFA),Troy Daniels, Tomas Satoransky (RFA), Elfrid Payton, Seth Curry, Reggie Bullock, Ray Felton, Vince Carter, Devin Harris, Jamal Crawford, Derrick Rose, Jose Calderon, Wayne Ellington, Terry Rozier (RFA), Q Pondexter, Isaiah Thomas, Shelvin "LilTokeFan" Mack, Corey Brewer, Jerian Grant(RFA), Justin Anderson (RFA), Ian Clark, Tyus Jones (RFA), David Nwaba(RFA), Furkan Korkmaz, Wayne Selden (RFA), Ryan Arcidiacono (RFA), Trey Burke, Malcolm Brogdon (RFA), Austin Rivers, Michael Carter-Williams, Rodney McGruder (RFA), TJ McConnell, Chasson Randle (RFA), Wes Matthews, Edmond Sumner, Jeremy Lin, Nik Stauskas, Tim Frazier, Jimmer Fredette, RJ Hunter Forwards: KD, Kawhi, Paul Millsap, Harrison Barnes, Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, Trevor Ariza, DeMarre Carroll, Jabari Parker, Kristaps (RFA), Taj Gibson, Thaddeus Young, Wilson Chandler, Bojan Bogdanovic, Rudy Gay, Jared Dudley, Julius Randle, JaM Green, Nikola Mirotic, Al-Farouq Aminu, Ant Tolliver, Thabo Sefolosha, Marcus & Markieff Morris, Mike Muscala, Dragan Bender, Easy Ed, Mike Scott, Stanley Johnson (RFA), Marquise Chriss, Frank Kaminsky (RFA), Trey Lyles (RFA), Dante Cunningham, Jeff Green, Luol Deng, Kelly Oubre (RFA), Jerebko, Darius Miller, Sam Dekker (RFA), James Ennis, Bobby Portis (RFA), Rondae H-J, Noah Vonleh, Luke Kornet (RFA), Jarell Martin (RFA), Richaun Holmes, Jake Layman (RFA), Dorian F-S (RFA), Maxi Kleber (RFA), Kenneth Faried, Danuel House (RFA), Troy Williams (RFA), Jaron Blossomgame (RFA), Lance Thomas, Jordan Bell, Daniel Theis Centers (12 mpg or more): Al Horford, D Jordan, Marc (PO), Robin & Brook Lopez, Nikola Vucevic, Kosta K, Dewayne Dedmon, DeMarcus Cousins, Kyle O'Quinn, Willie C-S (RFA), Nene, JaVale McGee, Tyson Chandler, Kevin Looney, Ivica Zubac (RFA), Thomas Bryant (RFA), Enes Kanter, Salah Mejri, Pau Gasol, Khem Birch (RFA), Zaza and Bogut, Boban Marjanovic, Greg Monroe, Nerlens Noel. Former Grizzlies are italicized, but I'm not sure I got them all. Because of drug suspension, Tyreke Evans has been removed from list... And the NBA

Grizzlies picked for last place in West (according to Vegas as of 7/16) with 25.5-26.5 estimated wins, after opening at 27.5. In your face Hornets! (Hope the formatting isn't jacked up) Team PointsBet Current FanDuel Current DraftKings Current PointsBet Opened 2018-19 Wins Bucks 55.5 56.5 55.5 55.5 60 Clippers 55.5 56.5 56.5 51.5 48 Jazz 53.5 53.5 53.5 50.5 50 Sixers 53.5 53.5 53.5 54.5 51 Rockets 52.5 53.5 52.5 53.5 53 Lakers 51.5 51.5 51.5 51.5 37 Nuggets 51.5 50.5 50.5 50.5 54 Celtics 48.5 48.5 48.5 48.5 49 Pacers 46.5 48.5 47.5 47.5 48 Nets 47.5 47.5 47.5 50.5 42 Warriors 47.5 47.5 47.5 46.5 57 Raptors 45.5 46.5 45.5 53.5 58 Spurs 45.5 46.5 45.5 44.5 48 Blazers 45.5 45.5 45.5 45.5 53 Heat 42.5 42.5 42.5 34.5 39 Mavericks 40.5 41.5 41.5 41.5 33 Magic 40.5 40.5 40.5 35.5 42 Pelicans 39.5 39.5 39.5 31.5 33 Kings 37.5 37.5 37.5 33.5 39 Pistons 37.5 36.5 36.5 34.5 41 Thunder N/A 35.5 N/A 46.5 49 Timberwolves 34.5 34.5 34.5 34.5 36 Hawks 32.5 33.5 32.5 32.5 29 Bulls 30.5 30.5 30.5 27.5 22 Knicks 28.5 29.5 28.5 37.5 17 Suns 28.5 27.5 28.5 25.5 19 Wizards 27.5 27.5 27.5 28.5 32 Grizzlies 26.5 25.5 26.5 27.5 33 Cavaliers 24.5 23.5 23.5 23.5 19 Hornets 23.5 23.5 23.5 32.5 39

I'm also OK if Howard comes in, starts acting like a turd, and Jenkins and FO give him the heave-ho. A little Lionel Hollins on Iverson treatment to gain a little of the youngsters attention.

Teams that start fast out of the gate will be the teams that bring back 4 or 5 starters and the same coach. It's conceivable that this team not only has a new coach, but 8-9 rotation guys that either haven't played in the NBA, played for the Grizzlies, or haven't played an NBA game since March. JV's last game was March. JJJ last game was February Kyle Anderson and Dillon Brook's last game were in January. Bruno, Jevon, Yuta, and Ivan Rabb are the only guys (possibly) returning that played NBA games for the Memphis Grizzlies in April. And I'm not sure if any will be in the regular rotation. And all the PGs are new to the team and coach. They really need training camp to open in September, not October. There will be some really ugly 4th quarters this year. Barring a disaster in the lottery, this team is drafting in the top 4.

I would have been OK with Holiday coming back, but that is more than I would have wanted to pay. I'm happy that he's with his bro and on a playoff team.

Another Chandler Parsons leak? Man, I thought that stuff was done with.

A little Kosta Koufos update

For those trying to pick out the WC playoff teams based on this: Clippers Jazz Rockets Lakers Nuggets Warriors Spurs Blazers Mavs Pelicans Kings Thunder T'Wolves Suns Grizzlies

I think the only beneficial thing about Howard is his salary as part of trade filler now. I would rather have Vince Carter or Joakim Noah on a minimum salary right now or Yuta on roster and Tyler Harvey or another young SL/G-League guy on two-way vs Dwight. (I know they don't have the roster spot, and wouldn't do that). However, I'm also ok with bringing him into camp and seeing what he offers before waiving him. It costs nothing to have him in camp.

1. Better managed teams in West 2. Eastern conference bad teams have their record inflated by playing more bad teams more often, whereas bad Western Conference teams have their record deflated by playing more good teams more often. Therefore, if there was a team that would be 28 wins in a true balanced schedule, if that team played in the East, they probably would be 30-32 win team, but in the West they are probably 24-26 wins. 3. People in Northeast are always grumpy. Who wants to be around that?

Be prepared for disappointing rookie mistakes with Ja and enjoy the great times. He's not going to be great next year for those watching on a regular basis (as opposed to just seeing the twitter and SportsCenter highlights). Don't forget these guys are young dudes playing in a man's league. If one sets unrealistic expectations for next year, there will be great disappointment.

P. 11 is one doozy of a page, even for this board, with all the topics on it. Tyus's large contact instead of Delon. Frank Zappa FEF lease and relocation candidates Levian's move that killed the Grizzlies NBA title chances and sent them on a 7 year quest to find a SF, including the crappy Jeff Green trade. Rendezvous ranking among top BBQ restaurants in Memphis (not really there but worth discussing).

Hannahs was up last year in a 10 day contact. There were lots of guys on last year's team.

All the off the court issues can be justified away, I suppose, but this is my real concern. I just don't think he takes being an NBA player seriously and does not appear to be progressing as a player. I wonder if the Grizzlies make or made a phone call to the Memphis Tigers staff to talk to Cody Toppert, the well respected player development guy that was just with the Suns. I'd be real interested to hear what he knows about Jackson's work ethic. I expect disappointment, but he's a low risk guy with high upside.

I agree, unless they want to get off his contract before Jamal Murray big contract starts Next year. I don't know any other reason why they would do the deal.

Unrelated, but I wonder how many people on this board remember going to bank and getting & using travelers cheques/checks. I'm trying to think of last time I remember seeing them get used. Maybe 1994?

Regarding preseason basketball The NZ Breakers team that RJ Hampton plays for will play preseason game at FEF, so that's something of interest. I suppose that for those who like predictions, there could be guesses on preseason opponents. My guess Pelicans (twice) Rockets Hawks Thunder NZ Breakers

Probably nobody now. I'm just saying anything is better than buyout.

Josh Selby had the talent. Every international team he's been on seems to get tired if his act after 1 year.

All international SL MVPs currently play for Grizzlies.

Correct. In fact it can't happen immediately because he can't be traded for two months. I just hope the FO doesn't buy him out. I hope for a first, but even if he is traded into the traded player exception, I'd be fine.

The summer league overreaction line.... you crossed it.

Lot to like, but roster is overflowing now.

My young kids are watching and they have no idea whether this is regular season, playoffs, or summer league. They are excited that Grizzlies are champions, and I'm not going to tell them it is not the big boy NBA

I see Dillon Brooks wearing a "medal." Good for him in sneaking in there. Wonder if Ja and JJJ got one