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  1. So this shows how dense I am.  I've seen college clips of GA doing his BS, and never made the connection that this is the same kid now on the Grizzlies roster.  

    Man, we really need the Grindfather or Z-bo as an assistant coach.  Get him in a game of cards on a plane or something. 

    Hard to get worked up about a bench player, but he ain't right.  If I've got someone on the team I'm rooting for who I hope gets their head kicked in, that's not enjoyable for me as a fan.  Hopefully he's a DNP all year, or off the roster even better.  Somebody like that doesn't deserve the privilege of being paid to play a sport.  So no, I'm not rooting for him just because he has a Grizzlies jersey on.  But neither am I going to stop being a Grizz fan because of him.

    And yeah, I pretty much felt this way since he was in college, so it's not a new opinion just to have a reason to complain on a message board.

  2. 10 minutes ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

    This along with the Avery Bradley deadline extension are making the conspiracy theory wheels in my head spin and make me think a big deal is about to go down to bring in a major starter for us. (by that, I mean, someone making over $20 mil per)


    That's always fun to think about, but even if all we're doing is signing him and keeping him, a 3 year deal at this rate is outstanding.  The idea that we were able to get this on paper without a player option is even better.  Everything about this seems to lean in the org's favor.

  3. I'm watching the streaming CBS Sports draft coverage and they are loving this pick and this team.  

    They said something about Clarke ranking only behind Zion in some "overall" stat, but I missed it.

    One of the commentators said that after this pick, our team may be one of the most athletic in the league!  Wow.

  4. It's crazy how quickly fortunes can change - last year it looked like JJJ was our last gasp, and now all of a sudden we've got some bona-fide future star power and assets.  If we could just get out from under that CP contract early now...

    This guy is going to be so much fun to watch.  This team could be so very fun to watch.

  5. Seriously, some mod needs to clean up this thread.


    Marc was figuratively and literally at the Center of the greatest era in our team's history.  And it's not his fault that this team stinks now.  Trading him was the right thing to do, just as much for his sake as anyone else's.  He deserves our thanks and appreciation. 


  6. On 1/25/2019 at 5:39 PM, GrizzTigerFan said:

    On Vernon show, Mike Wallace made a good point.  If we did the deals we were linked to with Oubre and Rivers.  

    There is no way we would be this bad.  Lineup would be mike- austin- kyle - Jaren - Gasol with Oubre as 6th man.  

    That wouldve been enough to give up the pick this season.  Not sure it wouldve gotten us to playoffs tho.


    On 1/25/2019 at 5:56 PM, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

    from day one the rotations should of been






    I think the honest view is that this team needed more than tweaks, but that's all we did - have been doing - for several seasons now.  We got what I would consider a best case scenario of an offseason, and it just wasn't enough; we were in too far a hole in talent to make the playoffs this year.  Mike and Marc are not enough to carry a team - there's a reason we had a "core 4" during our glory years.

    But as to the poster's original thought - a new GM should be executing these deals.  So waiting until the offseason is probably a wise move, IF we are getting a new GM.  And that same IF can be applied to how long we can expect to be a bad team.  A new GM isn't a guarantee for success, but if you really boil it down to gravy, the biggest, best move that we can probably owe strictly to Chris Wallace's influence was signing Tony Allen.  And while that was a good move that paid off far beyond it had any reason to, everything else that brought us the "core 4" was actually derided or disdained at the time.  And we can't really say we've had much success finding complimentary talent to those 4 guys.  And now we're down to 2 of them, several years later.

    It's past time to give someone else a chance to see where they can take the team.

  7. Irving explains Shelvin Mack altercation




    All-Star point guard Irving was in fine form as his double-double of 38 points and 11 assists steered the Celtics to victory.

    But Irving was clearly riled by a barb aimed his way by Mack late in the third quarter, leading to a confrontation and the two being separated.

    Each player was given a technical foul before play continued and Irving opened up on the incident.

    "He said something pretty disrespectful. So I told him to do something about it. He didn’t," Irving told reporters. 

    "I don't usually get techs like that. But if someone questions your manhood, at that point, you got no choice."



    If this is how it went down, it's is a far cry from "I'll beat yo azz".  In fact, the polar opposite.  Ugh.  Just more anecdotal evidence that this bear no longer has claws.

  8. On 1/6/2019 at 5:59 PM, lions said:

    I miss Michael heisley  Memphis is a small market but the man cared about his fans and grizzlies .this new ownership is a joke compared to heisley

    I don't know how much he cared about the fans or this town, but truthfully, the man made his mark by turning lemons into lemonade, and he applied those same principles to the Grizzlies, and they became winners - twice - under his watch.  He did lead - he was actually a pretty honest guy, even if not everything he said is what you wanted to hear.  He made several moves that were mocked, and rightfully so, but I believed him when he said his goal was to win a championship.  He was a businessman through and through, and ran his organization that way.  The money he made off of FedEx Forum, the way he put the local ownership in a box, these were business moves, and showed his savvy.  I didn't like many of the things he did, but could respect his decisiveness. 

    I don't think of Robert Pera as a bad owner, I think that he doesn't know what to do as a major league franchise owner.  I can't call him a bad owner if he's just ignorant (in the truest sense of the word).  I think he had good intentions but some of the early difficulties he faced within the organization may have made him a little gun shy.  He comes from a different generation, a different mindset, he made his money a different way.  I think this is a status symbol for him. He is part of an exclusive club.  Good for him.  At least he didn't come in here with the intent to move the team.  Maybe that doesn't make him very effective, but IMO, we could have gotten worse.

  9. 6 hours ago, chipc3 said:

    I am beginning to believe it doesn't matter if the team is deliberately tanking or not. The end result appears to be the same. 

    You beat me to it.  I don't know that tanking is a choice at this point.  This team isn't capable of winning a whole lot right now.  We are going to have a bad record, the question becomes, how bad can it get?  And as long as Mike and Marc are here, they aren't going to sign off on losing on purpose.

    Therefore, the question becomes, how soon can you send Mike and Marc out of here?  Retiring as Grizzlies won't be enjoyable for either those two or the fans now.  I think our fans would actually be happier seeing if we can get them to a team where they might be able to earn a ring.  With the size of their contracts, just getting them to playoff-bound teams would be a feat.

    The only thing - the ONLY thing - I am curious about at this point is how soon will the organization be honest about the state of the team?  Because until that happens, we'll just keep making marginal moves that don't move needles, but provide some with false hope, and putting ourselves behind the 8 ball in making substantive moves that reel in needed assets for a reset.


  10. This team is no more.  It has ceased to be.  We are a collection of parts now.  But such was the nature of the Parsons signing.  It was either going to usher us into a new iteration of playoff-caliber Grizzlies, or it was going to destroy us.  We thought we were turning over a new leaf with a new coach and a new attitude. Instead, it was a millstone being hung around the Grizz's necks. 

    Time to wipe the slate clean.  JJJ is the only untouchable at this point.  He is our brightest hope for the future.  We can't pretend that any combination of talent we currently have around him is a real building block.  We have to coldly look at everyone else as an asset.  That's why they should let Parsons sit and spin until his expiring can be traded.

    And this means, a truly clean slate.  JJJ should be the only face we recognize on the court or in the F.O. going into draft night this year.  That's what a franchise with courage would do, to admit that the book has been written on what this collection of folks can do. You don't put new wine into old wineskins. 

    He should represent us in the lottery ceremony.  He should be in the draft war room. He should be valet parking season ticket holders.  He should be everywhere.

    There are no more drastic measures, no more desperate heaves left at our disposal. We have fired every arrow in our quiver, and have come up short.  Time to accept the truth.  This era of the Grizzlies is truly over.  This is what happens when you ride an old paint past his prime.  You get the final, last gasp, and then the end.  Many of us around here knew that the time to transform this roster was several years ago.  With each year, it got more obvious, and it meant it would take a bigger splash to get us where we needed to be, until it was insurmountable, and there was nothing left to do but to watch this organization sell us like carnival barkers, trying to convince us that what was behind the curtain was worth seeing. 

    We can call it Grit-n-Grind, but in a more basic sense, this has been the Mike Conley era.  His slow rise, then "best never to be an all-star" years, and now, being ridden into the ground.  His tenure has been echoed in the team.  We never would have done what we did without Zach and TA, but Conley was always the glue.  He was the high draft pick we stubbornly refused to leave behind, who eventually emerged into the player he became.

    All good things come to an end.  The sooner we start spinning the cocoon, the sooner the butterfly can emerge.

  11. 5 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

    Again Kevin, you are twisting what we are saying, and then generalizing it to "everybody".

    I personally blame Chancun and whoever made the decision to sign him - whether they knew his medicals or not.

    And I've been consistent in saying this too.

    And if you want to look further back - the fool who got rid of Rudy Gay - we were a big chance in 2013 WITHOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES

    You say this like it is some sort of revelation or something. 

    Even when we signed the guy, if people didn't see that deal could blow up in our faces, they were being terribly naive.  Three seasons removed, you're going to pat yourself on the back for being "consistent" in saying this?

    Of course Parsons contract is the problem.  His contract makes albatrosses look like sparrows by comparison. Not only his contract, his position - he was supposed to become our 3rd best player, at worst.  There are no swing for the fences moves to make.  We've made them.  we're Grit-n-Grind all right, because we don't have the offensive capabilities to be anything else. 

    Taking what I've already said a bit further, we're a team trying to make it with a dynamic duo when the truly good teams of today need to be three-headed monsters.  Just think what this season would be had JJJ developed more slowly?  As it is, to rely on a rookie as your 3rd best player, well no serious playoff team is going to do that - but that's us, because nobody on the team has separated themselves in that 3rd option role, and the guy who was supposed to do it, can't.

  12. "Developing players" is a misnomer anyway.  Teams won't be in both development mode AND win mode.  And I've never seen a coach who, put in a situation with a mix of young and veteran talent with any kind of a chance to make the postseason, to minimalize veterans' presence by giving the minutes to young guys.  Quite the opposite.  It doesn't surprise me that Gasol is averaging the minutes he is averaging - it actually could be worse. 

    "Develop your players" is just a nice way of saying "we still pretty much suck because we're green as the Hulk (the Ang Lee one - MCU's is kinda pale)."  This team is playoffs or bust this season.  We may still see a trade out of them before the deadline just to ensure we can.

    JJJ is getting burn because he has the actual talent to deserve it, and there's not a veteran in his way.  It would be good if he could get even more, but an at-the-twilight-of-his-career Noah was brought in for a reason, and it's not just being a direct backup to Gasol, it's about keeping a vet presence in the Frontcourt longer.

  13. 2 hours ago, Ole Dirty Klondike said:

    The fact that they did the deal anyway without us tells me all I need to know. They basically shut the idiots out of the room and made the deal. Basically everyone EXCEPT the Grizz and local Memphis media are putting this on Memphis. This was another Wallace special served up on teh national scene.


    1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

    There are legitimate gripes with Wallace to hang your hat on, I just don’t think this is one of them. He didn’t screw anything up because it didn’t happen. Just a little negative national media attention but who cares about that? I’m guessing Seldon and Brooks won’t be fazed by this much, if at all. The Grizz are giving them playing time and they know the business.

    Sources I've been seeing seem to be putting the black eye on the Suns more than anything.  But that's probably only because of the 3 teams, we're doing the best on the court. Had this been Lakers/Toronto/Memphis, then it would be our fault, because that's how "deep" the national media bothers to go.  Kind of like when Virginia/Va Tech played football earlier this year and it was mentioned that Fuente and Mendenhall didn't talk before the game, and they put the bad blood on the game rather than their personal history.  But then they could have been aware all along, and realized that would have made it sound like to Group of 5 schools could have baggage carried into a Power 5 matchup, and ESPN knows which side their bread is buttered on.

    The same deal going down between Washington and Phoenix anyway tells me that the Grizzlies wisely avoided being taken to the woodshed and Phoenix was trying some last second shenanigans with the, "what do you mean you don't want to give us Dillon?" nonsense.  Between Dillon and Oubre, it's a no-brainer to me who the better long-term prospect and team fit is.

    And for those who like Oubre, when he gets to Phoenix and sees it's a train wreck, we can go to him in the offseason and say "hey, we've wanted you since December."

    As for Seldon and Marshon, yeah, it's never fun to be traded, but these guys need to be realistic about their chances of being on the move. How many bench players are "safe" in this league? Players all the time say "it's a business" when they get traded.  Well, it's the same story when a trade falls through.  They should be smart enough to know they are shooting their own feet if they hold a grudge and let it affect their play.