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    How does everyone feel about GnG 2.0?

    Defensive specialists in the post are very rare in this league. Rebounding specialists are more prolific (or at least they used to be, before the Stretch 4 became a thing), but that doesn't seem to be this guy. Everyone talks about his defense, but when I look at his physical gifts, I see someone who has an opportunity to be a dynamic offensive player. That would require some great coaching to set him up for success in that role. We'll see if JB has it in him or not.
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    Can Carter play right away?

    The reality is, the odds are against Carter long term. But short term, being considered one of the premiere defenders at the collegiate level, yes, he can play right away, but expectations should be tempered. He's got to make the team first. DJ Stephens is back in camp, and I've got a feeling he earns a roster spot this season. I expect at least one surprise cut this year - or maybe even a buyout? Both of them should be playing. Jtrip should be playing 20+ minutes a night at minimum. You learn on the court in this league. On expectation alone, he is now our #2 big. He has to play out of the gate. If I were a betting man, I think Carter gets his opening day roster spot, and JB sounds like a fan of his style, so he'll get some opportunities to prove he deserves more burn. But being the 2nd PG on opening night, he'd have to kick the tires and light the fires in camp.
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    Nut Heads IV

    Hey folks. Thinking Nut Heads is where to post this. I'm rolling in town this coming weekend, and heading back out before the 4th. For years I've wanted to find some time to meet some of the folks on the boards, and it just never seems to be a good time. I would like to try and make that happen this time around. Anyone interested? We could do dinner, a pub, whatever. I would just enjoy putting some faces to some handles for once. Message me if you're interested in getting a group together.
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    fo draft grade

    Memphis Media in general is fully aware of their competition both big and (very) small. I don't know if he's still there, but back in the day when the U of M's radio station had an all-jazz format, they had some guy on Sunday evenings who called himself "Roger Against the Night". The station had a range of only a couple of miles at the time, so it's not like a LOT of people knew about the guy, but he was pretty well known amongst the jazz crowd (again, keep in mind at the time jazz sold about 2% of all music). So the morning guys at FM 100 do a bit making complete fun of this guy (this was at a time when 98 had just switched to a pop format and was giving FM 100 all kinds of grief, showing up at their remotes, etc, so FM 100 decided to strike back at everybody). Maybe 20 people in FM 100's listenership knew who this guy was. But they felt the need to make fun of him. Not to toot my own horn, but I used to work for a small startup (now defunct) newspaper here in town, and I know for a fact that a couple of things we did had a direct ripple effect in the CA, even though we were in no danger of putting a dent in their readership. So it would not surprise me to hear that local media checks this board out. If for nothing else, to check for unique takes on topics - it gets hard to fill multiple hours of daily talk, and if they can find anywhere to get show prep that's interesting, they will keep a pulse on it.
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    How does everyone feel about GnG 2.0?

    Sure. And I'm saying it's just words until you show it on the court. And you don't resort to words when you're telling everyone your manning up. Again - this isn't like David Robinson going down and they brought in Duncan and started killing. There is nothing to suggest this past season was a blip. The very next year after breaking up the core of GnG, we just tied the worst season in Memphis franchise history in terms of winning percentage. And our best addition to the roster this year is not going to help change things in his rookie season. GnG doesn't put the fear of God in anybody if we can't even sniff the playoffs. Maybe give us a couple of years, and if they want to keep bringing in players that fit that mold, and we start winning again, we won't have to say anything - the fans and media will start saying it for us. Let's say this another way - does any team that just went 22-60 compare themselves to past teams from the glory years? I remember the year after Kobe left, when the Lakers posted a 26-56 record and finished 14th in the West. About midway through the season after going on a long losing streak, they beat some team of little import, and in the post game interview, whoever it was they were talking to, 2-3 other Lakers start clowning behind the guy talking about how great they were (I wish I could find the clip on YouTube). And Sports Center that night makes THAT one of the top stories. It made the Lakers a laughing stock for that news cycle. I guess what it really shows is the hubris of this team, and their unwavering belief that a post-30's, injury-riddled two-man battery is going to lead this collection of role players to a playoff spot. We just went through a season where the coach who was supposed to be the architect of the next Grizzlies wave of success got unceremoniously thrown out on his ear. A season of complete lack of direction while our owner decided whether or not he wanted the team. I am not being a downer, I am being a realist. And to think our F.O. has the nerve to declare we're still GnG when it was responsible for orchestrating its dismantling, frankly ticks me off. This isn't even about our players - it's about the unmitigated gall of a F.O. to refuse to acknowledge what an atrocious season we just had. If they can't even be honest with themselves, why should I trust them when they say we're bringing the GnG this year?
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    How does everyone feel about GnG 2.0?

    Yes, especially the part in bold. GnG is not something you just declare. That became our identity not because we chose to conform to a certain identity, but because we built an identity organically and it was a perfect moniker for that identity. Especially an identity forged on hard-nosed, "in the mud" take you down to the last possession physicality. When you're fake tough, you get quotes from guys like Z-bo saying "I'll beat yo ***". If we are going to be GnG 2.0, we'd better be ready to bring the goods. We'd be much better off waiting to see if we're going to continue to be that, or not. It is possible for identities to last through roster shifts - but more often than not, they go away with lineup changes. Said another way, who emulates GnG on our current roster? Conley is tough as nails, sure. But having an unnatural pain tolerance and being intimidating are 2 different things entirely. We don't have a single intimidating player on our roster today. Are you going to be feeling the GnG the first time another team's player pushes us around in our own house? Because it could happen this year. For that matter, how can our organization be declaring anything after it just posted the 2nd worst record in the league?
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    Yeah, I echoed pretty much this sentiment on the "welcome JJJ" thread. I am fine taking a wait and see with JJJ as long as the FO doesn't treat the fanbase like fools. A week or so ago I talked about plans. Plans get formed around talent, not vice versa. We'll find out if JJJ (and Brooks?) are the foundation of our next plan or not.
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    fo draft grade

    B+ Jtrip (sure, I'll play along) is just about the best we could have done drafting at 4. So we made the right pick. Now to keep our fingers crossed for a few years that it pans out. As for Carter, it's the same song, different verse. He could be a stalwart defensive player (he certainly was at the collegiate level), but we've drafted those guys before, only to see them bounce around (or straight out of) the league. We went for who will - if he has any career at all - become a defensive specialist, where if we had simply drafted the very next guy, Jalen Brunson, he is someone I could see becoming a starting PG in this league. We could have drafted Conley's Groommate. He may even be this draft's Dillon Brooks. Great solid teammate, good bball smarts, just wants to win, doesn't wow you in any one way, but is solid across the board. I think it was so big a missed opportunity that I'm deducting for it. I hope Carter makes me eat my words.
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    Welcome to Memphis JJJ!!!!

    Sounds better than New Doug...
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    Welcome to Memphis JJJ!!!!

    So I have had a chance to sleep on this - and given the situation we were in, I think that if we were going to draft a big at that point, we drafted the big that made the most sense to draft. There are absolutely things to like about JJJ, even beyond the gifts.. As we see more 2nd generation NBA players, I like seeing the ones who aren't basically a clone of their dad, but are their own person. JJJ comes across that way to me. But the advantage of being raised in a family where Dad has a ring, that has to count for something. He also seems to play the game with true enthusiasm. I haven't see the killer instinct the truly great ones have, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. But if he became the athletic freak on the team, and Dillon Brooks became the Alpha Dog (even if he may not wind up being the team's best player), then we potentially have the bedrock of an outstanding future core. But even the high praise in those quotes above points out the problem. Everyone recognizes that this youngun is going to need time to develop. I have seen surprises come out of the gate, but nobody sees that happening for JJJ. It's highly unlikely. Assuming nothing happens before now, both Marc and Chandler roll off the books in 2 more seasons. Conley has a player option that he's sure to take. We could look at that as on the job training time for our young guys. But I'm going to be realistic about it - I don't see this team making another playoff push until after Conley/Gasol have moved on. Anything we are able to do with them now just feels like a nice epilogue. And that's what really upsets me, is all this talk of getting back to the playoffs is just bluster, along the lines of "what else are we going to say?" As a fan, I would understand and be fine with a push to the next thing - trading Conley and Gasol for quality assets (Gasol in particular, there is going to be at least one team that sees a need for him, for a 2 year stint). Otherwise, we have to be bad - really bad - to have a shot at quality prospects for the next two seasons - and the longer we take to add new pieces, the longer it takes for our team to gel, the longer it takes for us to actually start winning with a chance for sustained success. To be that level of bad with Conley and Gasol on the roster is going to turn off far more fans than a dedicated rebuild would. I think most any fan can recognize that the most dangerous thing for our team to do it is try to hedge our bets, hoping this team can pull some miracle out of their hats and be a playoff team again under Gasol/Conley. Yet that is precisely what I see our team about to do. We've already broken up the core of our last winner. So the fracturing has already started. We can either finish the job, or hinder our next shot at ascent. So yes - my anger last night was that JJJ was not going to be that guy to help solidify this current roster. In this draft, the only players guaranteed to do that would have been Bagley, or maybe Young (which is why I wanted Bagley from the beginning, but recognized he was only going to move up the board). anyone else would have been a project, an heir apparent, or a nice cog in the wheel. There were no shots at forced fits down low, because regardless of the public reports, you can read the tea leaves and see that Gasol, while a team guy, is also going to have an actual influence on team direction. So I don't see him saying "trade up for Ayton". And there's no other C I would have preferred over drafting JJJ. Which is why I can now say I'm ok with our pick. It may even signal some good news, that the Front Office recognizes it's time to look to the future. If so, I hope they have the intestinal fortitude to do what they can to get that future here as quickly as possible, and not sit back and cross their fingers that there's still some magic in that old top hat.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    I think drafting someone who likely takes their rookie deal to develop means that's exactly what they just did.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    Sorry, I don't buy that angle. I mean, you can take that interpretation, but I'm sorry, I can't give this F.O. that much credit. Actually, let me take it a step further - if they think these moves will reinvigorate GnG, they are deluding themselves. I think at this point, trying to sell this fanbase that this roster can win is just slow-rolling the rebuild because you think that you give yourself no hope to sell tickets otherwise. The sooner you re-align your assets, the sooner you can build the next iteration of this team. The Grizzlies have enough of a history here, that if the Memphis fanbase is real, they will at least somewhat support a rebuild if the organization will be honest with them that this is where we are. But can the fanbase really be sold that this roster can be a playoff team next year? In the West? Because going into this draft, that was the message. You can sell hope for the future if you have players exciting to watch. I can believe that JJJ could develop into an exciting player to watch. I really enjoy watching Dillon Brooks. Again, my problem with the pick isn't the player, it's the strategy. Or, the apparent lack of one.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    It is to the level of trolling at this point.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    I just want to go on a profanity-laced tirade right now. When I played football in Memphis (High School Unnamed) we had a guy come over from White Station and asked us "do you guys still run (whatever the play's name was) the first play of every game?" That is what it is like to watch a Chris Wallace draft.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    I just want to go on a profanity-laced tirade right now. When I played football in Memphis (High School Unnamed) we had a guy come over from White Station and asked us "do you guys still run (whatever the play's name was) the first play of every game?" That is what it is like to watch a Chris Wallace draft.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    There's a reason...
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    YES! ANOTHER NO-OFFENSE BACKCOURT PLAYER! We are nothing if not consistent.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    So much for Okobo...that's too bad, would have been nice to have him as a potential Conley heir apparant...
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    Welcome to Memphis JJJ!!!!

    He should be starting next to Gasol. No matter what.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    I bet we draft the Tulane kid if he's still there...
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    Why do people this low in the first round take their full 5 minutes?
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    Kinda like he compared somebody to Mike Miller - you know, the Orlando Mike Miller - because that half rookie season told us everything we needed to know about Mike Miller.
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    What if they made all these players wear the same hoodie/short combo for all these videos?
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    With The 4th Pick In The 2018 NBA Draft

    Right now, nobody does, and that's why there is anger tonight. I guess I had already resigned myself that they would be trading down, and had I really thought it through, that's what I would have been rooting for. I was still holding out hope that Bagley would somehow be available to us. I would have liked the Doncic pick, but even that one would have been problematic because Conley is still here. Yes, I had become more excited at the prospect that we would rid ourselves of Parsons, picked up a decent player where we landed, and hoped beyond hope something positive could happen in FA. I had been pretty consistent going into this night that we had to hit a home run with this pick, somebody who would push the needle immediately. Given who was left, I think Trae was the only one left who could have, but only because he has the possibility of being so dominant offensively. Honestly - as soon as this draft started shaping up into 3 can't miss players, tonight should have been about turning the page on this roster. But the only draft we have had like that since the Grizzlies moved here was year one. Our organization, in all its iterations, has never had the guts to go all in on draft night. And we can't do anything in FA worth anything. We are stuck. Is it likely that a healthy Conley/Gasol is enough to bring along the rest of this roster to a playoff spot? And this is the F.O.'s stated goal. There are really only two opinions that really matter about JJJ being drafted - and that's Conley/Gasol. Oh to be on the line during that phone conversation.