The J Crew

But wait a minute pjs, I remember some posters posting videos of Steven Adams shooting 3's this summer. And opining about how New Orleans was just a bad fit, and the Grizzlies offense would bring more out of Adams. So let's check the stats. Jonas - 7 threes in one half last night. And Steven Adams . . . umm, one three-pointer made in his entire career. Oops. The boy wonders strikes again. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/adamsst01.html

Lol. You keep saying that enough times, and you might get someone to believe it. Though I do appreciate your commitment to a narrative.

True, but they will never admit it - too invested in the narrative.

****, Mike Malone, seems unnecessary. Did our 2 game sweep this month have anything to do with this comment?

Fine, I don't doubt you knew Wallace. I really think you are confusing me with others. I think you are saying that Heisley told Wallace to draft Thabeet #2 in '09. I agree that is what happened. Are you saying that alone makes Wallace's tenure a failure? Hollinger talked about how he got Tony Allen on today's pod with Nate Duncan. He said they were aggressive in going after Tony, the only team to do so. And Boston agreed to match the deal after Wallace guaranteed the 3rd year to Tony. But by then, Tony was ****** at the Celtics for dragging it out, so he signed here. This Boston article from 2010 seems to back that up: http://archive.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2010/07/12/tony_allen_signs_with_grizzlies/ "But his negotiations were pushed back and Allen’s agent, Michael Higgins, last week appeared befuddled that the Celtics weren’t more aggressive. The Celtics didn’t begin seriously talking numbers with Allen until a few days ago and Wallace swept in with a guaranteed third year and more than $3 million per season, a modest raise from $2.5 million in 2009-10." I say Wallace gets almost 100% of the credit for bringing TA to Memphis. Are you saying Wallace gets no credit for that? You seem to blame Wallace for taking Thabeet when we both know he was told by the owner to do so, and not give Wallace any credit for recruiting and signing TA, when Wallace had the Boston connection with Tony.

And Jamal is 24 and MPJ is 23. MPJ's contract is fully guaranteed max the first 4 seasons, so 8% raises annually. It's guaranteed for $12M in the 5th season, but MPJ has gates he can hit - which now seem less likely - to fully guarantee the 5th year.

Somebody wrote or tweeted about how little the top 8 or now top 10 tend to change from the 20 game mark to the end of the season. And that many years, the same 10 at the 20 game mark is the exact same 10 at the 82 game mark. Denver has lost 6 straight, and tonight starts a 7 game road trip, so now is the time to get them if you are a bottom 5 West team.

Again, JJJ and Dillon scouted and drafted by the Wallace/Hollinger regime. Any 5 year old would have drafted Ja, I give the front office no credit for that. And the idea of lowering expectations, i.e. losing more on purpose, during Ja and Jaren's and Des and BC's rookie deals is bizarre to me. Now is the time, like the Hawks did in '20, to add veteran help while our young players are underpaid. Sadly, we have about missed the window to do that. I like X, but bottom line is that he is out of the rotation on a .500 team. Bane is the best move the Kleiman front office has made. If you see Ziaire as a future major contributor and Santi as a future rotation piece, then I say don't lose that optimism.

Chip is feisty today, lol. Any criticism of Kleiman seems to get you worked up for some reason. Re Wallace, I've defended him many times on this site, to the dismay of most. I think he gets too little credit for the 7 straight playoff appearances, putting together the core 4 and keeping them here. Was not a Grizz fan during West's tenure, so had no opinion either way, lived in Dallas then. I only joined this board in '19. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

If you are talking about me, who on this site isn't convinced they are right, lol? And I was no Grayson fan. Like Bane and DeAnthony better. Again, the issue is the return on these trades, not the player(s) traded. But some of you guys are much higher on Kleiman than I.

I read this a lot - ". . . it would would have been no Grayson and no Jonas anyways, with nothing to show for it". Of course it's not true. Jonas has already signed a 2 year/$30M extension with the Pels. And even if we wouldn't extend, we still would have had Bird Rights on both, and also the chance to sign-and-trade them. And your summation of the Pels trade ignores that we owe Adams $18M next year, which is not good. And the fact that since we took on the bad Bledsoe contract, and Kleiman made many trades to dump it, we subsequently bought out Rondo, Oturu, Kris Dunn, and Carsen Edwards, and took on the bad Culver contract.

Is it so hard to understand that this has zero chance of ever happening?

Bamba can be a 4 now, huh? Lol. I give up.

Yep. The issue wasn't trading JV and Allen. It's the return the boy wonder got for trading them.

Dude, he's restricted. Which means he's almost certainly staying in Orlando. If not, we would have to out-bid the rest of the league, which isn't happening because Jaren is our center long-term.