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That’s when he tells us he’s going to Chancun for the rest of the season. 😄

The key phrase is “we don’t know why.” There could have been problems that JB saw that we aren’t privy to. It would be nice if people would answer that question but it either is t being asked or is t being answered. Since the Grizzlies control the media access with Grind City Media, it isn’t likely we will find out either.

I honestly don't understand what you wrote in the first sentence. I don't know who SMB is supposed to be either. As for players on the team, I have to agree there are some players who are less than ideal on the roster. The team has had to use lesser talented players to make up for the front office wasting money on Chandler Parsons. There is a finite amount of money available for the franchise after all. You do understand this don't you? Your final argument again ignores the law of large numbers. This is an important concept I wish you could understand. Four games is not significant in the realm of the NBA. Brooks is earning more minutes clearly as is Casspi. If Anderson continues to struggle he'll lose more minutes to Brooks and Casspi but I doubt he'll lose his closing role any time soon. But you bring up a good point. Casspi has been playing much better than Brooks over the last four games using your numbers. So why are you being critical of him taking minutes ahead of Brooks? Was it simply because Brooks played one good quarter? Seems like a spurious argument to me. Let's see if Brooks can continue to produce with some form a regularity. Let's see if he can get others involved on offense. Let's see if he can play team defense. The fact that Brooks played at all shows that JB is open to letting other players into his preferred 9 man rotation. Now it is up to the players to earn those minutes and it takes more than one good shooting night to earn the minutes. If Brooks continues to produce in limited minutes then he deserves more opportunities. I just don't criticize the coach for not immediately giving them to him on the basis of one half.

Using your logic Mack shouldn't have been playing against Denver then. Over the course of the season Mack has been on of the top players for the team. His PER and WP48 show that. He isn't perfect by any means. He is human and some nights he fails. He also has nights where he starts slowly and finishes strong. You have to take the entire picture into account and not make rash decisions based on small sets of data. It's the law of large numbers argument again. I don't want a coach who makes game deciding decisions based on small sets of data. That's gambling not coaching. Hoping a player will remain hot enough to overcome his inadequacies in so many other areas isn't smart coaching. You can sit on your couch and say if player B was in instead of Player A it would have been better and blame that on the coach but it's a fools argument. You can't be proven wrong. the coach made the correct decision based on all the facts he had. You would be criticizing JB if he played Brooks and he shot 0-5 in the second half just as vehemently as you are criticizing him now after he went 4-4 in the first half. The reality is Brooks was more likely to go 0-5 in the second which would be around his season average. It wasn't poor coaching. It was poor execution by the players on the court that led to the loss in Denver.

Did someone pee in your corn flakes today? You are making dubious arguments all over the place in my opinion. Settle down and think for a second. Do you really believe Curry could take the Grizzlies for example deep into the playoffs (not even suggesting a title) if he were traded straight up for Conley? Do you? Personally I believe there is a reason Curry didn't win a title until Bogut, Thompson, Iquodala and Green arrived and matured into their roles.

You don't know what someone would do if he wasn't in the game. You wish or want or dream but you don't know. I do know that the players on the court have historically been the more consistent and better players and they missed the shots that could have won the game. I don't blame JB for not living up to my illusions and dreams of performance. That's why I don't say he played the "wrong" players. He played the correct ones according to all the information he had.

Yes but I don't believe West was on the Warriors first title team. The point of discussion was whether or not Curry could win without talent around him. I believe KBM is correct in saying it takes more than just one superstar to make a team successful unless your name is LeBron. Curry had multiple talented players around him. To imply Curry could carry a team by himself is a stretch. We have never seen him on a team that went far who didn't have extremely talented players around him.

Who wasn't hot? Anderson was 4-10. Temple was 3-6. They both play excellent defense. Over 82 games they may falter on some nights but a smart coach will play them because he knows they give him the best chance for victory. I didn't hear Brevin on TV because I was at the game. If a few of those shots that rolled out had fallen the outcome would have been different. I blame the players for that not the coach. I can't assume simply because a player hit a shot earlier he will continue to hit them all game. It's more likely he will revert to his normal shooting percentage with the more opportunities he gets. Brooks normally shoots below 45% from the field and just 30.2% from the arc. Since he went 4-4 in the first quarter it is logical to assume he won't continue shooting at the high rate the rest of the game. Brooks also doesn't pass the ball. He doesn't play great defense. He isn't a good rebounder. All these things matter at the end of games. There is a reason Brooks played the last few years in China and not the NBA.

Andre Iquodala was a former all-star. Andrew Bogut was a former all-star who was also the #1 pick in the draft. Klay, Steph and Livingston were all former lottery picks. It's not like the Warriors didn't have anyone else who could play that season. They didn't have a lot of current all-stars but they did have former and future all-stars. That's a ton of talent. But I agree about getting KBM back on his meds so it isn't all negative! 😄

Wow. Can you imagine how boring basketball would be if we had to wait for reviews of every situation by TV refs?

My eyes could be a problem. I do wear glasses and I am getting older. However, if we look at the season long statistics you find that Casspi, Anderson and Temple are all better options. They have been better night in and night out. They play better defense. They pass the ball. They even shoot overall (except for Temple who's close) and better from the arc. The WP48 for all three is higher than Brooks as well. The PER says Temple is not as good but PER is a weak indicator in my opinion (we've had that discussion many times in the past). You are trying to say that because Brooks was hot in the 1st quarter against the backups, he'd be just as effective in the 4th quarter when the lead disappeared against starters. You defend with no statistical reasons at all other than he hit his first 4 shots of the game. Call me crazy along with blind then but I believe you are wrong to criticize the coach for playing the players he has seen performing in practice and in real games simply because a player got hot early in one game.

The wrong players? Just how do you determine who are the "right" and "wrong" players anyway? Do you have a crystal ball to know who will blow an assignment or miss an open shot??? If you do then please share it with the Grizzlies front office. I'm sure they would want it. Hindsight is 20/20 but we all have to admit that JB is coaching to win. Just because we may not understand why he decides who to put on the court doesn't mean they were the "wrong" players. You said that Brooks got the Grizzlies back in the game , but his +/- was +0 for the game so he actually didn't lose or gain anything while he was in the game. Did you want Garrett Temple sitting instead? What about Kyle Anderson? Temple played 34 minutes and Anderson 29 so it wasn't like they were being over-used but maybe you wanted them to play less so Brooks could play more. Of course you would probably be the first to complain if Brooks was put back in for 8 minutes in the second half and he went 0-4. Just out of curiosity how would Brooks have played if JB had played him? When should he have put him in? The Grizzlies were ahead by 4 points midway thru the 4th so should JB bench his two best defensive wing men to put in Brooks down the stretch? I think it is easy to criticize a coach after a loss but the reality is JB did a good job of keeping players fresh and they collapsed down the stretch. They didn't make shots ( one in particular looked like he didn't want to take a shot). They didn't play good defense. The players failed in the last minutes of the 4th. Perhaps it was the altitude (I know the air felt different to me and I was at the game not watching at home). Perhaps it was a lack of focus. Perhaps it as bad calls. Personally I felt it was bad luck. We had a lot of good looks where the shot rolled around came out instead of falling. That isn't bad coaching when you get players open looks.

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MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES ANNOUNCE MEDICAL UPDATES Memphis, Tenn. – The Memphis Grizzlies today provided medical updates for Dillon Brooks, Jevon Carter, Chandler Parsons and Yuta Watanabe. Brooks remains on schedule in his recovery from a grade II MCL sprain of the left knee sustained on Nov. 10. Brooks is expected to return by the end of this month. Carter is recovering from right knee soreness and is expected to return to basketball activities within the next week. Parsons continues to progress in his recovery from right knee soreness. Another update will be provided in approximately two weeks. Watanabe is progressing through the NBA’s concussion protocol and is expected to return to basketball activities within the next week.

According to ESPN, here is what the Grizzlies have in regards to trade assets/ability; http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/25459260/nba-trade-deadline-team-team-guide-moves-make

I believe the players have lost all the games. JB hasn’t blown a single defensive assignment or missed a shot yet!

You said except "possibly" LeBron. Personally I would have eliminated the word possibly. He's proven it repeatedly and is doing so again this season with the Lakers. Mike and Marc are also two players not one. To say that these two players have done more than any one isn't that big of a statement honestly. I think if you want to compare the Grizzlies duo to other duos you'll find some interesting comparisons. LIllard and McCollum with Portland for instance have a similar resume. Westbrook and Paul George have done similar if not superior things in OKC. Chris Paul and James Harden in Houston prior to this season. Anthony Davis and Jrue Holliday in New Orleans are close but don't have as long a track record. That's just off the top of my head. I am sure there are more examples of two stars carrying teams without a lot of other talent to the playoffs where they lose. The truth is the Grizzlies haven't had as much talent as a number of teams outside the Core 4 which has become the Dynamic Duo of Conley and Gasol. But what has the team accomplished with just Conley and Gasol? Not even a .500 record and only one playoff appearance in the two seasons since Z-Bo and TA left.

What is it if saying the Grizzlies need more talent isn’t an indictment on the players they have? If you want to replace current players with more talented players it sure sounds to me that you are saying the current players aren’t talented enough. i’m not sure you could say that Conley and Gasol get more done with less than LeBron either. He’s taken teams that didn’t even belong in the playoffs to the conference finals and beyond.

He dislocated a finger on his right hand. It’s clearly affecting his shot and his ball skills. I don’t know if it is a sign of him breaking down however.

Very astute! LOL

Is there any coach who’s days aren’t numbered? Coaches are hired to be fired. Even Pops days are numbered.

The Blazers are a team that performs best with big leads. They are 10-4 in games decided by 10 points or more. They are just 5-7 in games decided by single digits and only 1-2 in games decided by three points or less.

Nuggets signed Grizz Killer Nick “Swaggy P” Young today.