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If that is true then this team is in far worse shape than I imagined. Of course hearing that Tony believes he is better than other players is nothing new either.

Grizzlies Gametime Discussion Date/Time: Monday, February 25, 7:00 PM Memphis Grizzlies vs L A Lakers Location: FedEx Forum Television: NBALP | Fox Sports South Memphis Radio: 92.9FM | 680AM Promotions: Grizz Social: Grizzlies Starting 5 Mike Conley Avery Bradley Justin Holiday Jaren Jackson Jonas Valanciunas Lakers Starting 5 Reggie Bullock Brandon Ingram Lebron James Kyle Kuzma Javale McGee Benches Memphis Grizzlies: Kyle Anderson, Dillon Brooks, Bruno Cabloco, Jevon Carter, Tyler Dorsey, C J Miles, Chandler Parsons, Ivan Rabb, Julian Washburn, Yuta Watanabe, Joakim Noah, Delon Wright Los Angeles: Lonzo Ball, Isaac Bonga, Kentavius Caldwell-Pope, Alex Caruso, Tyson Chandler,Josh Hart, Mike Muscala, Rajon Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Moritz Wagner, Jonathon Williams, Grizzlies: Preview | Recap | News | Roster | Stats | Schedule | Photos | Video | Tickets | Promotions | Watch Parties Lakers: Preview | News | Roster | Stats | Schedule | Photos | Video | Depth Charts: CBS | ESPN | Yahoo Injuries: CBS | ESPN | FOX | Yahoo

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This may be just sour grapes after attending the Grizzlies game last night and watching the refs steal the game from our team but it needs to be said. NBA refs are destroying the game and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore (if they ever did). Blown calls, clear favoritism (or "respect" if you have to worry about the league fining you for stating the obvious) and failing to admit what the fans can see is why most people view the NBA as just one step ahead of professional wrestling. Tim Donaghe told the truth and the NBA silenced him but you need to read his book Personal Foul.

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I missed him I guess. Wasn’t looking for him at he four.

No Kyle Anderson?

The pick isn’t the team. I am curious what the plan for the team next year is. Wallace said it will be exciting but he doesn’t know what it will look like. Thanks for nothing Chris.

GTF - Jonas doesn’t have a track record of getting 23/10 off the bench. His track record is 12/8 playing about half the game. He most likely will revert to the norm. I expect he will average his career numbers over the season. One game doesn’t ignore his career. Pops wasn’t prepared for that onslaught in the first quarter. They outplayed us in the 2nd and 3rd quarters pretty easily. The fourth was more encouraging but we have to remember the aspire we’re playing their 5th straight road game. Clearly they got fatigued at the end. Avery will provide more playmaking and hopefully he will be strong defensively. As teams start to prepare for the new look Grizzlies it will be more difficult for players to look good however. I just wonder if the Grizzlies will pick up his $13 million option. I still don’t know what the Grizzlies front office’s plan is moving forward which is worrisome.

I'm not hating. I am trying to calm people down who are getting way too excited. Jonas is a poor man's Marc Gasol. He probably won't ever be an all-star but that doesn't make him bad. He just isn't great (contrary to what he stalker on the boards is saying). Jonas was pumped last night playing in his first game in months and on a new team to boot. Wait and see what he like after he has some playing time with the team is all I am saying. Avery is a career 12 PPG scorer who may have been used poorly in LA (with his old coach Doc Rivers). Maybe he just wanted to try and pump up the fans. Either way, people need to realize his game last night was his career high and is not likely to be repeated. Temple went for 30 in his 2nd game with the team in case you forgot. I expect more from Avery than I do from Temple but don't get your hopes up that what we saw last night is what we will see all the time. SloMo and Holiday looked bad because they were pressing early in the season not because they were used wrong. They both tried to do too much. I can't forget how many easy layups Kyle missed to start the season. Was that because he was used improperly or because he just shot bad? Holiday tried to step in a turn the tide on a sinking ship. He tried to do too much. Once he settled down he started playing better. I still don't think the Grizzlies should have made the deal but after they blew the earlier trade they had to do something to regain the locker room. In other words, early returns don't tell us anything. The law of large numbers tells you to be patient before drawing conclusions on limited references. Bradley and Jonas looked great last night. Let's see if they can continue playing at this high a level before making any grand conclusions. That prevents you from looking silly when you say things and have to eat your words a few months or less later.

But I thought GTF just said we had tons of young talent. Didn't he say Bruno, Jevon, Kyle, Dillon Brooks and Ivan Rabb were our young stars of the future???

Time will tell if the Hawks are for real or just young. I don't like Trae so maybe I am biased. I know they'd be better if they had Doncic or Jackson over Trae Young right now.

Weren't Temple and Green used as trade chips to get Avery Bradley? Avery Bradley can now be used as a trade chip to get what? His nearly $13 million contract next season is going to be hard to trade until the deadline after all. Mack brought in Dorsey who some people around the boards think has talent. Those players you criticize as not being able to be used as players or trade chips seemed to be both to me. I don't know how true the comment is about Delon, Avery or Jonas is either. Delon and Jonas can walk this summer if they think free agency is so lucrative to them. Avery is not likely to get $13 million from anyone else right now either. The free agency market is sloped toward superstars and if you don't get a mega deal you aren't getting much of anything. Guys like Delon are a dime a dozen. He's a poor shooting PG. He may progress but at 27 I doubt he will get much better. Jonas is a poor man's Marc Gasol. He looks good right now but once the novelty of his new home wears off people will see that more clearly. Everyone who hated the way Gasol slowed down the team will wonder why we have another slow footed big man in a few weeks. Avery is over-rated as a defender according to the stats and has never been more than a streaky shooter. He was on fire last night but his career numbers shouldn't be ignored because of one game. Funny you mention the importance of veterans around a young star. Isn't that the main thing Atlanta is missing??? Too many young guns and no experience to balance out and help them mature?

No I don't. Atlanta may rise again but they have been terrible this year and last year after winning 43 games the season before that. They went to one conference final, a few semi-finals and the rest of the time they were first round fodder during their good years. Sounds a lot like the Grizzlies actually. The Hawks went to the conference finals after trading Josh Smith (who showed he really wasn't that good to begin with). The Grizzlies went to the conference finals after trading Rudy Gay. The Hawks have sucked the last two seasons after making the playoffs seven straight years just like the Grizzlies except the Grizzlies sucked last season because of injuries. They are hoping that their youth movement develops but so far they haven't shown a lot. Personally I'd rather have Jaren Jackson than Trey Young but that is just me. They have run through coaches like they own Ducalax stock to hide their front office failures. They are the exact same as the Grizzlies mode of operations in that sense. The only difference is the Hawks have their pick and Dallas' this year in the draft while the Grizzlies are hoping to give theirs away in one of the worst draft classes in recent memory.

Anyone think that move that dropped Marco on his backside ends up on Shaqin a Fool?

I remember a lot of people on the board saying Luke was not going to be that good in the NBA come to think of it. Who was the silly poster who said the Grizzlies should follow the Hawks lead a few years back? I wonder if anyone is listening to him today after those silly comments he made? Can you imagine how it would feel today if the Grizzlies had a shot at both Luka and Jackson and chose to pass on them both for a late lottery pick this year and Trey Young?!?

Who was overlooking the fact that team's weren't offering young talent again??? I seem to remember someone in particular saying that a ton of different trades all required young talent in return. I think his initials were GFT or something...

I know I am going to sound like Mr. Downer but I don't see Bruno, Dillon, Jevon, Kyle or even Ivan as care pieces to build around. They are at best backups or questionable starters. Neither Carter nor Bruno have shown the ability to consistently hit shots. Ivan has a long way to go with strength conditioning and Kyle was not someone GTF even wanted as a starter at the beginning of the season. He's a great all-around talent but is hardly someone I see as a core piece especially with his mysterious shoulder issues. Dillon showed he could score late in the season on a bad team desperate for anyone to score but he's basically taken off this entire season and he plays at the wing where he will struggle to get minutes with Kyle, Aaron and Justin ahead of him. The Grizzlies youth movement has a decent beginning but there is a lot more true talent needing to be added. One starter and a bunch of backups isn't exactly a youth movement.

I believe the "healthy" rotation should be as follows: PG: Conley, Wright, Carter SG: Bradley, Holiday, Dorsey SF: Anderson, Miles, Brooks, Caboclo PF: Jackson, Parsons, Rabb C : Valanciunas, Noah Until Kyle returns however: PG: Conley, Wright, Carter SG: Bradley, Miles, Dorsey SF: Holiday, Caboclo PF: Jackson, Rabb C : Valanciunas, Noah

Bruno is now signed to a multi year deal. Hopefully not for a Parsons sized contract.

So do you think Kyle is out for the season or was this just overlooking him? I'm starting to believe he is done for the year and the team just doesn't want to tell us. And if you want to know my interpretation of last night's game read Personal Foul by Tim Donaghy.

If you pay him $17 million and his agent doesn't believe he will be offered more anywhere else he will exercise his option.

The Grizzlies seem determined to not allow Ivan Rabb a chance to show anyone how good he could be. When he’s played he’s performed well. He got 8 points and 7 boards in less than 10 minutes against Portland then was DNP-CD the next night. He then gets 4 points and 4 boards in less than 10 minutes only to be saddled with another DNP the next game. The Grizzlies sent him to the Hustle and he wins Player of the Week then they call him back and refuse to play him. I don’t understand what the objective is for Rabb. If they don’t want him to play with the Grizzlies then send him to the G League where he can attract other teams interest. To just allow him to rot on the bench and not play at all makes no sense.