Ole Dirty Klondike

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    Grizzlies to Nashville?!?

    Did someone say smell test? A rumor like this came out from Birmingham of all places a few years ago. People need to realize how tough it would be to break that lease.
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    Big Spain Appreciation Thread

    Farewell big guy
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    Free Ivan Rabb

    Are you hoping chicken or woman?
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    Various Trade Analyses: Not good

    Yesterday has to go down as one of the biggest nothing days in Grizz history. I still cannot understand how anyone can even not understand why I said the team should not making any moves until after the Wallace is gone and now, it's not just Wallace. it's ALL of the them. The entire grizz front office needs to be fired and replaced. They have no go forward strategy, they have no plan, they don't have any positive relationships and ties with front offices from other teams, we are outcasts in the NBA universe. These milquetoast-type trades how me what I already know, this f.o. is beyond incompetent. I didn't expect to get anything of value back for Marc, that's why I said let him leave in the summer. At least that way, we can start over and won't have any longer term contracts on our books. Now we have CJ friggen MIles with an $8 mil player option for next season. You don't think he's going to pick that up? Jonas Valentiniues has an $17.6 mil player option for next year, you don't think he will pick that up? S0 we find ourselves in the same position just with lesser players. and there is a $3.6 mil QO on Wright. how does this put us in a better place? Miles is 31 years old, how does that help the youth movement? A friggen second round pick in 2150? WTF? The Avery Bradley trade was just plain dumb. Temple and Bradley were expiring contracts yet they picked up a declining Bradley who has a $13 mil team option for next year. Obviously, they can decline the option but why? Just as the Selden/Brooks for Holiday trade was just doing a trade just to do a trade, all of these trades yesterday were teh exact same thing. They had no plan, no strategy, there's been talk of confusion and miscommunication. The front office isn't even on the same page as itself. That's why I want to go around the horn and see what others are saying:
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    Are we witnessing the “New Goon Squad”??

    I don't remember being excited for those guys and really don't remember a large contingent of fans being that way either. Also, it's been 1 game. Let's hope for the best but I can't judge anything off of one game.
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    Is this going to be the place to post about the "Express"

    Probably in Off Topic section. I watched a little bit of the AAF last night and it was okay. If the AAF does well over the next 3-5 years they should try to merge with the CFL.
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    Predict when Justin Holiday makes a 3 pointer

    Do people still feel the same way about Holiday? He's having a good February so far: CHA: 15 points, 4 boards, 2 made 3's NY: 19 points, 5 boards, 5 made 3's MIN: 17 points, 9 boards, 1 made 3's OKC: 6 points, 6 boards, 1 made 3 (kind of excusable since it was after the trade) NOP: 15 points, 5 boards, 3 made 3's Was the suckiness early on just him adjusting? has he finally settled in? Can we expect consistent production from him going forward?
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    agreed geoff, hire shane

    No, please no.
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    Parsons back after all star break

    I don't really care about him returning but this is just another example of a lack of leadership. How do you ban someone from the team seemingly telling him never to return , there's a big media dust up and now he's back? We need bodies so let him come back and see what he has. It also makes me wonder if there was beef between Gasol and Parsons.
  10. You do realize that Mark Giannotto wrote this right? or are you talking about the video?
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    Various Trade Analyses: Not good

    LOL.. Believe what you want to believe no one is trying to change your mind or direct anything towards you. I agree there was no market for Marc and so does this writer and many others, that's why I and this writer said stand pat and don't do anything. If you know there's no market, why force a trade? They backed themselves into a corner. You somehow are trying to make it sound like we did something by getting rid of MArc because he would have picked up his option, do you realize that the options for JV and broken down CJ Miles are more than we would have paid Marc? ($26.3 mil vs $25.5 mil)
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    Various Trade Analyses: Not good

    When i started this, I planned on posting different draft grades but then realized time was flying and i had to leave for work. Anyway, here's SI's grade: Apparently he's been reading the Grizz boards 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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    Groundhog Day: Fire Chris Wallace

    Zach Kleinman is the supposed Assistant GM? had no idea. Ron Tillery tweeted about him and I looked at his LinkedIn profile.
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    Various Trade Analyses: Not good

    The Athletic: The Grizzlies waited, finally dealt Gasol (and others), and the results were less than optimal Did you ever wait until the last minute to do a school project? You know, the one that was assigned to you months prior and you completely disregarded until the night before it was due? Do you remember how it turned out? Probably not all that well, right? And so it went for the Grizzlies at the trade deadline. Seemingly scrambling throughout the process, reactive rather than proactive, they ended up with what could be regarded as just about the bare minimum for what they gave up, without a clear direction as to where they’re now headed. The headliner Memphis gets: Delon Wright C.J. Miles Jonas Valanciunas 2024 Raptors second-round draft pick Toronto gets: Marc Gasol Let’s start with some real talk: There was no way the Grizzlies could have kept Gasol after what happened Tuesday night. Gasol cleaned out his locker, emptied the contents into a black garbage bag and left at halftime after an emotional first-half cameo on the bench. Not a chance in hell he was staying. Especially not after the way the Tyreke Evans non-trade fiasco unfolded last year. Gasol had made peace with the situation and was ready to go. And yet — there weren’t a lot of suitors for Gasol, either. His age, his uncertain contract situation and a lackluster past two months of play all combined to diminish the market for what was once an All-NBA player. But the Grizzlies painted themselves into a corner, removing much of the leverage they could have had in negotiations had they acted more decisively in trading Gasol weeks (or even seasons) ago. This outcome was coming, in all likelihood, and the Grizzlies chose to have the situation control them rather than vice versa. That was a factor in how this move went down, as was the sloppy and haphazard team communication both internally and externally. The Grizzlies had protracted negotiations with Charlotte about Gasol, the details of which became rather more public than Grizzlies officials would have liked. And not for the first time this year. Gasol was asked to sit prior to the Grizzlies’ game on Tuesday, which was, in and of itself, not especially notable. However, the fact that he had cleaned out his locker was an indicator he had been given the impression things had moved toward an imminent deal. He was expecting a Charlotte deal to get done. All of this, apparently, was news to the Hornets. Though several of their players had been heavily rumored to be in Gasol trade talks, none of them were held out Tuesday night (or Wednesday night, for that matter), an indicator that the Hornets didn’t see those talks as having gone nearly as far as the Grizzlies did. There remained significant haggling to be done over issues: Which young player or players would be sent to Memphis, which long-term contracts would serve as makeweights and what would the protections be on any picks in the deal? In the end, on Thursday morning, as the clock ticked closer to the deadline, something had to be done. With no traction happening in the Charlotte deal, and with little other interest, the Grizzlies had to start thinking smaller. Thoughts of multiple first-round picks, or even one first-round pick, drifted away, replaced by sheer pragmatism and a need to get something. Doing nothing was not an option. That’s where Toronto came in. Not so much Mr. Right as Mr. Right Now. An opportunistic pounce by the Raptors sees them upgrade their center position for a reasonable price. Delon Wright is not exactly the “young prospect” that the Grizzlies might have hoped to get in any Gasol deal. Wright will turn 27 at the end of April and will have the chance to be a restricted free agent. Wright shoots 31 percent from 3 (in non-garbage time minutes, per Cleaning the Glass); like Justin Holiday, he’s a corner-3 threat but poor from every other spot. Here’s Wright’s shot chart from this season (per Synergy): The Grizzlies are the second-worst jump shooting team in the NBA at 34.5 percent, yet Wright shoots an even-lower 29.5 percent as a jump shooter. His per-possession numbers have fallen off this season; perhaps a change of scenery will help him improve. Wright is good in transition, can draw fouls at a high rate, and is an active defender. He’s a potentially good rotation player but not exactly a prospect; he’s seven and a half years older than Jaren Jackson Jr., and the Grizzlies will have to figure out his contract situation in restricted free agency. Valanciunas is a few months younger than Wright and could have a positive impact if all goes well. Valanciunas was set to return for the Raptors on Thursday evening from a thumb injury that had kept him out for 24 games. He should be healthy and ready to report to a Grizzlies team that will use him as a direct replacement for Gasol. He can be an excellent shooter, especially for his position. He mirrors Gasol in that regard, though his rebounding should be better than Gasol’s typically has been. He’s not the defender Gasol is (or should I say can be; Gasol’s impact there had been waning), but he’s not bad, either. He’s a strong roll man in pick-and-roll sets, which should enable him to build chemistry with Mike Conley. Depending on how the team chooses to use him, there’s a good chance Valanciunas can find a role and a nice fit in Memphis, which would really help this trade improve in value. As for Miles, the outlook is more pessimistic. Miles has not played well this year. His shooting numbers have fallen in each of the past two seasons. In effective field goal percentage, he went from the 88th percentile league-wide two seasons ago to 50th last year to 19th this season. His free throw shooting has plummeted, too. He’s a solid veteran presence but, at age 31, the worry is that his best days are behind him. Maybe he can find a spark in the Bluff City. The 2024 second-round pick might end up being pretty good, as the Raptors will likely have cycled through their championship aspirations by then. It’s a long way away. The contracts for the incoming players could be a problem, too. Wright’s restricted free agency should be no major issue, but Miles and Valanciunas both have player options for next season (Miles for $8.7 million, Valanciunas for $17.6 million). Would the Grizzlies want Valanciunas to opt in? Would they be looking to secure a more cap-friendly extension? It likely depends on his fit, his performance and the other potential options on the free-agent center market this summer. But it’s ultimately up to him. More worryingly, the same is true of Miles, who looked likely not to opt in to his final season last summer, but whose lackluster season might have diminished the market for his services. If he opts in, that dents the Grizzlies’ cap number without them receiving extra compensation for it. The Grizzlies should feel free to take on bad salaries but should be paid for the service. In this case, should Miles opt in, that won’t happen. If Wright turns into a player and forms part of the core group around Jackson, the deal will look much better. If Valanciunas plays to his highest potential, that would help. But the return for a player of Gasol’s level is quite lackluster, a reality check on the price of waiting too long to turn the page. One last note on this deal — there will be time for proper eulogies of Gasol’s time in Memphis, but to sum it up quickly: He is the most skilled player to play for the Grizzlies. His three All-Star Game appearances, his Defensive Player of the Year award in the magical 2012-13 season, his miraculous recovery from an injury that has ended the careers of several other players, all of it was truly special. He chose to raise his family in Memphis and has become a part of the community off the court as well, with extensive charitable contributions and longtime involvement with helping kids at the world-renowned St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. Whether it was Marc or his brother, Pau, there has never been a Grizzlies game played in Memphis without a Gasol on the roster. Until now. The head-scratcher Memphis gets: Avery Bradley L.A. Clippers get: Garrett Temple JaMychal Green The Grizzlies traded away two veteran expiring contracts in Green and Temple for one veteran non-expiring contract in Bradley. Sure, Bradley’s nearly $13 million salary is only partially guaranteed for $2 million, but that still necessitates the Grizzlies taking on salary for next season. And, since only the non-guaranteed portion of salary can be used for matching purposes in trades, the Grizzlies can’t reap the benefit of trading Bradley to a team looking to clear space. And for what? To what end was this service done? No picks, not even a second-rounder involved in this trade. Nothing. Just the players. The Grizzlies squeeze a couple of million off the payroll this season, but that’s irrelevant from a competitive standpoint, and from a tax standpoint, too. The Grizzlies created a trade exception in the amount of Temple’s $8 million in the mechanics of the deal, which might come in handy down the line (it expires in one year’s time). Bradley is a defensive-minded bulldog of a player, a bit undersized but with a lot of passion for stopping opponents. He’s not a great offensive player at all. Certainly, his attitude would fit right into the typical archetype of the Grit and Grind Grizzlies, but those days are done, and Bradley will need to provide offense to be of major on-court value. This deal doesn’t make much sense. Surely there was a way, even if it meant taking on more bad money, to get some sort of draft pick from this move. Not getting that makes this pretty awful value for the Grizzlies. The little trade that could Memphis gets: Tyler Dorsey Atlanta gets: Shelvin Mack This has to be the smallest trade on deadline day. And one that signals the end of the Shelvin Mack Era in Memphis. Well, era is a bit strong, but what a fun three weeks or so, right? Followed, sadly, by declining performances that were increasingly hard to watch. Dorsey has not been good at all for the Hawks, but he’s only 22 and was teammates at Oregon with Dillon Brooks, so that’s something. Of all the trades the Grizzlies have ever done, this is certainly one of them. Overall, to get a grand total of one second-round pick, to be conveyed in five years’ time, and to get no young prospects of note, while attempting to turn the page and build around 19-year-old Jackson is bizarre. The returns themselves were below par, even more so when considered in a bigger team-building sense. The Grizzlies started this process with two impact players under 23; they’ll end it with that same number. What did the events of Thursday do to help bolster the future core of the team? When you wait until the last minute and you don’t have a long-term plan for what you want to accomplish, you can’t be surprised when you end up with a failing grade.
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    Stand Pat

    With so much dysfunction going on with this team, I think most of us realize that Chris Wallace is the main source of this (or the figurehead who will take the brunt of the ire). Why not not just stand pat on Mike and Marc, change GMs and then make a decision on Mike, Marc and the draft? If we allow Wallace to be involved (in whatever capacity) of trading Mike and Marc and then turn around and fire him, how does that help this franchise? I realize that this may noy be 100% Wallace and that he may be a fall guy or doing things at the direction of Pera, but hey, he wasn't making the best decisions before Pera either and was on shaky ground in boston if i remember correctly. I think he has had a good deal of input in the decision making or maybe he's just a glutton for punishment and he knows nothing. Either way, he needs to be gone first, then make a decision on the coach, make a decision on Mike and Marc, and make a decision on the draft.
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    Stand Pat

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    Stand Pat

    Funny how so many people wanted us to make trades yet once we made them, now people are underwhelmed and upset
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    Grizzlies trading Gasol to Raptors

    And that's why I said stand pat until Wallace gets the ax.
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    Grizzlies acquire Avery Bradley

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    Grizzlies trading Gasol to Raptors

    Hope they got more than just Valentine's Day
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    Trade Deadline - Who Stays, Who Goes

    No surprise at all:
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    Trade Deadline - Who Stays, Who Goes

    ZBo is nothing but an expiring contract. i'd be surprised if he ever sees the floor with Luka. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut by this weekend.
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    Trade Deadline - Who Stays, Who Goes

    Harrison Barnes to the Sactown Kings...Grizzzzzzzzz crickets
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    General Manager Class 101 - Intro to GMing

    CHA still has the leverage because the Grizz have backed themselves into a corner. Do you really think Kemba Walker will re-sign because they got Gasol for 30 games? it's not a definite that Gasol will pick up his option. Is Kemba Walker really that much better than Conley? The difference is they are playing in the East but I would say when you look at the teams Conley and Walker offset each other and JJJ and Lamb offset each other, other than that, kind of similar teams. I don't see Gasol pushing them any higher than the 6th seed and 1st round knockout and he's not guaranteed to pick up his option and if he does, they are still in salary cap hell. Getting Gasol does not turn them into a top 4 team threatening to make the ECF. it's the same ole same ole only slightly better.
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    Stand Pat

    Sadly, I think this team has put itself in a position where they have to trade Gasol before tomorrow. They are at the point of no return- it seems as if they told him last night he would be traded, his locker was cleared (probably by himself), he left at halftime, the national media expects him gone, and he didn't travel with the team to OKC. if they don't trade this dude now, it will make the Brooks/Selden and Parsons situations look like a warm up event. The sad thing about it is that it takes away any leverage the Grizz may have had (if they had any at all). Similar to that Selden/Brooks fiasco, other teams know we want to dump him now and basically can't keep him. This was played horribly. i still think that getting cap space would be more valuable than the junk we may get back from Charlotte.