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Or should I say continue to be?  Bad decisions, after decisions after decisions.   I'm assuming the icing on the cake will be the horrible selection or pick at #4.

That week, the Grizzlies went on a little two-game winning streak by beating two teams they had no right to beat: The Minnesota Timberwolves on the road, then the Portland Trail Blazers at home. At the time, those losses seemed like potential disasters for the Timberwolves and the Trail Blazers; the Wolves were battling for the final playoff spot, and the Trail Blazers were jostling for better positioning in the playoffs

 

But it could turn out those games, which seemed like meaningless wins for the Grizzlies at the time, could have far-reaching negative implications for the Grizzlies.

If the Grizzlies had lost those two games, they would have had the worst record in the NBA, the best chance of getting the No. 1 pick – and nearly a two in three chance at getting a top three pick. But losing those two games meant the Grizzlies, instead of having 250 of the 1,000 ping pong balls in the lottery, ended up having fewer than 200. Those extra 50-plus ping pong balls could have made the difference between the No. 1 overall pick and the No. 4 overall pick.

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Duno why you are so tore up about it.  Had we lost 2 more games then we'd still pick 4th because the curse.

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The REF is quoting this article: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2018-how-two-late-season-wins-could-hurt-the-grizzlies-for-years-to-come/

I think not trading Tyreke, and getting those two wins with him after the trade deadline are also a contributing factor here. At least with the two wins in question in the article, we were rolling out our g-league lineup. Shows you how mediocre New Orleans and Portland are. 

It is true, Chris Wallace can't even help tank correctly. This difference between top 3 and number 4 is huge in this draft, so it could affect the future of the franchise forever. 

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We don't need to pick 1 or 2.

If Wallace had that opportunity he would more than likely waste the selection on that Luka Donovic (however its spelled) kid.  You don't waste a high draft pick on someone who will more than likely wind up being a Manu Ginobili type player.

Hopefully someone else buys the hype and selects him before we get the opportunity.

The Grizz need to select the best player available and if Bagley or Trae Young are still on the board, they need to pull that trigger.  There is zero chance that Trae Young doesn't pan out. He averaged 28 points and 8 assist per game player in a major conference for an Oklahoma team that had no other players to take the pressure off of him.  AND he did it as a freshman.  Most mock drafts have him going 7th or 8th.

Memphis needs a guy like that right now!

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Yet with less balls than us both Atl and Sac jumped over us and Dallas........don't forget we had a 45% chance of not getting in the top 3......that's what happened.

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2 hours ago, Michael D said:

We don't need to pick 1 or 2.

If Wallace had that opportunity he would more than likely waste the selection on that Luka Donovic (however its spelled) kid.  You don't waste a high draft pick on someone who will more than likely wind up being a Manu Ginobili type player.

Hopefully someone else buys the hype and selects him before we get the opportunity.

The Grizz need to select the best player available and if Bagley or Trae Young are still on the board, they need to pull that trigger.  There is zero chance that Trae Young doesn't pan out. He averaged 28 points and 8 assist per game player in a major conference for an Oklahoma team that had no other players to take the pressure off of him.  AND he did it as a freshman.  Most mock drafts have him going 7th or 8th.

Memphis needs a guy like that right now!

Ginobili is probably going to be a first ballot hall of famer 

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If Grizzlies lose both those games, the Suns probably don't win the Sacramento and Dallas games down the stretch.

They won them because they had a lead in the race for ping pong balls, and they could afford those wins, but they were always going to stay below the Grizzlies down the stretch.

They won 1 game in February and March (Grizzlies).

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18 hours ago, Zappastache said:

The REF is quoting this article: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-lottery-2018-how-two-late-season-wins-could-hurt-the-grizzlies-for-years-to-come/

I think not trading Tyreke, and getting those two wins with him after the trade deadline are also a contributing factor here. At least with the two wins in question in the article, we were rolling out our g-league lineup. Shows you how mediocre New Orleans and Portland are. 

It is true, Chris Wallace can't even help tank correctly. This difference between top 3 and number 4 is huge in this draft, so it could affect the future of the franchise forever. 

 

That's exactly what I was trying to say, we keep or hold on to Tyreke who is another year older, was playing in a contract year and an expiring contract and we still didn't upload him.  Boy wouldn't he be MONEY on a Boston Celtics team right about now even thought they are playing great!  Boston offered Marcus Smart and a 2nd round.  I think I would have probably pulled the trigger on that one.  Smart is a defensive guy and smart (no pun intend) player!  He has a nack for the ball.   A 2nd round pick can pan out or you if nothing else, it's an future asset.   Now Tyreke could walk, they only won 2 more games after they didn't trade him.  I just don't understand the direction the team is going in?  Puzzled.

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19 hours ago, Allen said:

Ginobili is probably going to be a first ballot hall of famer 

Because he's the only player from Argentina to really do anything in the NBA. Look at his career stats, there's guys better than him, with rings who have no chance of making the Hall of Fame.

That was the point though, former players that competed at a high level in college and pro are saying Luka's ceiling is closer to Ginobili.

You don't waste a high pick on that.

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10 hours ago, Michael D said:

Because he's the only player from Argentina to really do anything in the NBA. Look at his career stats, there's guys better than him, with rings who have no chance of making the Hall of Fame.

That was the point though, former players that competed at a high level in college and pro are saying Luka's ceiling is closer to Ginobili.

You don't waste a high pick on that.

It's not just about stats.  Ginobili makes winning basketball plays.

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10 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

It's not just about stats.  Ginobili makes winning basketball plays.

Bro, no way Ginobili is one of the best ever to do it in the NBA at shooting guard. He was a good international player who started on some of the Spurs celebrated championship teams, so he may make it in as a special case.

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52 minutes ago, Michael D said:

Bro, no way Ginobili is one of the best ever to do it in the NBA at shooting guard. He was a good international player who started on some of the Spurs celebrated championship teams, so he may make it in as a special case.

What's your criteria?  How do you define "one of the best ever" at shooting guard?  Regardless of what you think, I'm willing to bet that Ginobili will be inducted.

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If I knew the person being drafted would give us the career of Manu Ginobilli, I would take it, easily. It's not just his own abilities, but it was also his willingness to be a great team player.  If he's in a bigger market, especially in the Eastern Conference, he's a bigger star.  After Kobe and DWade, I'm not sure there was a better SG over the last 15 years, and some might take him over DWade.

 

In the last 10 drafts (08-17), of the last Top 4 draft picks (40 guys), only these guys have had a better career than Manu:

08 draft: Russell Westbrook (yes); Rose, Beasley, Mayo (No)

09 draft: Harden (yes); Griffin (maybe); Thabeet & Evans (No)

10 draft: Wall (probably not); Turner, Favors, Wes Johnson (No)

11 draft: Kyrie (probably); Derrick Williams, Kanter, T. Thompson (no)

12 draft: Ant Davis (yes); Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal, Dion Waiters (No)

13 draft: Oladipo (probably not); Anthony Bennett, Otto Porter, Cody Zeller (No)

14 draft: Embiid (maybe); Wiggins, Parker, Aaron Gordon (No)

15 draft: KAT & Porzingis (maybe); D. Russell & J Okafor (No)

16 draft; Ben Simmons (maybe), Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Dragen Bender (probably not)

17 draft: Fultz, Lonzo Ball, Jayson Tatum, Josh Jackson (probably none of these)

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On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 5:49 AM, The REF said:

Or should I say continue to be?  Bad decisions, after decisions after decisions.   I'm assuming the icing on the cake will be the horrible selection or pick at #4.

That week, the Grizzlies went on a little two-game winning streak by beating two teams they had no right to beat: The Minnesota Timberwolves on the road, then the Portland Trail Blazers at home. At the time, those losses seemed like potential disasters for the Timberwolves and the Trail Blazers; the Wolves were battling for the final playoff spot, and the Trail Blazers were jostling for better positioning in the playoffs

 

But it could turn out those games, which seemed like meaningless wins for the Grizzlies at the time, could have far-reaching negative implications for the Grizzlies.

If the Grizzlies had lost those two games, they would have had the worst record in the NBA, the best chance of getting the No. 1 pick – and nearly a two in three chance at getting a top three pick. But losing those two games meant the Grizzlies, instead of having 250 of the 1,000 ping pong balls in the lottery, ended up having fewer than 200. Those extra 50-plus ping pong balls could have made the difference between the No. 1 overall pick and the No. 4 overall pick.

how about the 2007 lottery

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21 hours ago, Michael D said:

Bro, no way Ginobili is one of the best ever to do it in the NBA at shooting guard. He was a good international player who started on some of the Spurs celebrated championship teams, so he may make it in as a special case.

He played a huge part in those championship runs . You’re talking like he just happened to be on a team that won some championships. Late in those tight playoff games the ball was in Ginobili hands. He was one of the best SGs in the league

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Also when you take minutes played into account his numbers were awesome 

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