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So PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES are taking federal funds and student fees to run semi-pro basketball and football teams in collusion with Big TV, shoe companies, agents, shippers, handlers, and friends of the program?

Sounds like RACKETEERING.

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6 hours ago, Iron Mike said:

that's exactly what we need, right? Someone who can sell the Grizz to players

one problem, he canot put any money into there pocket like he does with his college players. 

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3 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

So PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES are taking federal funds and student fees to run semi-pro basketball and football teams in collusion with Big TV, shoe companies, agents, shippers, handlers, and friends of the program?

Sounds like RACKETEERING.

At least one former president understands what's going on.

I have been saying for years that the NCAA, ESPN (and other sports channels) and the NBA (and NFL as well) are all working together to prevent true farm leagues from happening and basically forcing the NCAA to be a de facto farm league while claiming amateur status and making billions of dollars. Everyone profits except the kids actually playing the game. The NCAA brings in over a billion dollars in revenue, the P5 schools are bring home about $35-$45 mil per school, coaches get millions, the tv stations get ratings and ad revenue and the NBA (and NFL) get pre packaged stars whose marketing has already been prepackaged. The players? They get a scholarship for a degree most won't get and even if they get one, won't use it. 

The NBA could easily drum up enough interest for a big time tv contract if they were serious about marketing the G-League. They could make enough to pay players straight out of high school (actually, I would say they could go at 16) but if they did that it would upset the symbiotic relationship of the NBA/NFL, NCAA and ESPN (and other sports channels)

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19 hours ago, They Call Me Mr. Klondike said:

Maybe but do you think Derrick Rose gave a rip about what happened to Memphis after he left?

I'm sorry but I don't think most players think that way. I think they view it as they are being used so they better get what they can while they can and then they move on. Theres no moral guilt. They don't view it as cheating. They are being used. It's basically you have to do what you have to do in order to survive and then move on.

Marcus Camby felt so guilty he paid money UMass lost back to the University.

It isn't the guilt about accepting the money (or both of us probably agree, it shouldn't be).  It's the guilt about having the university get put on probation, losing money, and your name associated with the negative consequences.  

 

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On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 10:20 AM, GrizzTigerFan said:

Amen!  This is such a tremendous waste of tax payer money.  They just want to make sure the poor struggling money machines(athletes)stay that way. Can't have the exploited getting too many perks!.  

If they want to investigate college campus then how about they go find the Jerry Sanduskys and other human filth like him that are still employeed. 

 If they want to check financial records for improper benefits how about they start in washington D.C. 

The hypocrisy in this country has to be the highest in the world.  

So much truth.

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Most basketball players aren't making their schools millions.

Most are a financial negative on the institution, including the University of Memphis.  Even with a good football season, and a mid-conference finish in basketball, the will need student fees to break even.  Most schools, especially those not in SEC or Big Ten need general student fees.

There are 351 DI schools playing basketball with 13 scholarships each, so over 4560 scholarships.

It's a great socialist system.  About 10 players are elite enough to really make a difference, maybe 30.

So about 30 are getting screwed by the system, and about 4530 benefit (just in basketball).

I'd be more than happy though for the NBA to develop a longer bench or 2 minor league teams per NBA team type of system.

If they pay like baseball's minor league system though, most players would be much better off going to college and playing in front of large duke, kentucky, UCLA, etc crowds versus the sparse arenas in the G-League.

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8 hours ago, Grizzled Vet said:

Most basketball players aren't making their schools millions.

Most are a financial negative on the institution, including the University of Memphis.  Even with a good football season, and a mid-conference finish in basketball, the will need student fees to break even.  Most schools, especially those not in SEC or Big Ten need general student fees.

There are 351 DI schools playing basketball with 13 scholarships each, so over 4560 scholarships.

It's a great socialist system.  About 10 players are elite enough to really make a difference, maybe 30.

So about 30 are getting screwed by the system, and about 4530 benefit (just in basketball).

I'd be more than happy though for the NBA to develop a longer bench or 2 minor league teams per NBA team type of system.

If they pay like baseball's minor league system though, most players would be much better off going to college and playing in front of large duke, kentucky, UCLA, etc crowds versus the sparse arenas in the G-League.

I disagree that only 10-30 players make a difference in college basketball. There are numerous teams in the top 25 without "stars" or first round NBA draft picks. Every year there are numerous teams that make runs in the tourney without top players. The college game has a lot of teams and people support those teams that win. It's not just the students, it's the alumni, it's the people in the surrounding communities, it's the casual fan who wants to see a good game. There are tons of sources of revenue and it's not just about the top 30 players. The NCAA has properly marketed the game to get tons of people to watch games and spend money on going to games, not to mention the tv contracts. It's a collection of players and teams and not just 30 players. 

As far as most schools being in the negative financially, that's poor money management. You have public schools in Power 5 conferences making $35-$45 million in revenue from P5 tv contracts and still are in the red. That's not even counting the money they get from ticket revenue, merchandise sales, donations, etc. They are in the red due to lavish overspending and constantly trying to keep up with the Jones'- charter flights for recruiting visits, gold plated this, crystal that, fancy fountains, totally renovating or building new practice facilities, stadium/arena upgrades, overspending on equipment, overspending on consultants, etc There is TONS of wasteful spending. They have no incentive to control their costs because they know that they will receive subsidization from the universities and they are spending money that is made from the back of those players. It's a sick system. 

As far as sparse arenas in the G-League, once again, the NBA has no motivation to change that. If they wanted to change that, they could. Look at the money in AAU basketball. They could easily market these players in hs. Also, shoe companies and other companies could give those kids endorsement deals. The big thing is getting a tv contract which translates into more viewers, more fans and a familiarity with the game, not a few games here and there on NBATV but a real tv contract. This ain't the WNBA. It can be done. People are so fixated on how the system is now but let's not forget that the NIT used to be the main tournament for NCAA men's basketball. March Madness hasn't existed forever. It was created by marketing and getting fans to buy in and spend money. You could do the same thing with the G-League, especially if every year they are pulling in the the top 50-100 players in the country.  

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Colleges should do away with all competitive sports. Make the professional leagues pay for their own minor league system. Leave college for those seeking a higher education not a training field and gym.

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1 hour ago, chipc3 said:

Colleges should do away with all competitive sports. Make the professional leagues pay for their own minor league system. Leave college for those seeking a higher education not a training field and gym.

I say we get rid of all the women's sports and lacrosse. :rolleyes:

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If a player can get drafted out of high school, I would let them get drafted, sign an agent, get a G League 2 way contract ($75,000 or so a year right?), then go to college for a year or two if he wants.  His NBA contract would take over after he finishes school.

The top guys like DeAndre Ayton, Porter, Jr., Babma, Bagley III, and Miles Bridges should probably be paid -- but by the NBA, not by student fees. 

$75,000 a year (not including a signing bonus) SHOULD be enough walking around money....

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4 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Colleges should do away with all competitive sports. Make the professional leagues pay for their own minor league system. Leave college for those seeking a higher education not a training field and gym.

Agreed, been saying this for years. there is nothing amateur about men's college bb and football and the NBA and NFL just use them as a farm system. 

2 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

If a player can get drafted out of high school, I would let them get drafted, sign an agent, get a G League 2 way contract ($75,000 or so a year right?), then go to college for a year or two if he wants.  His NBA contract would take over after he finishes school.

The top guys like DeAndre Ayton, Porter, Jr., Babma, Bagley III, and Miles Bridges should probably be paid -- but by the NBA, not by student fees. 

$75,000 a year (not including a signing bonus) SHOULD be enough walking around money....

WHy go to college at all? If they get drafted by teh G League, go and play in teh G League. Why would they need college?

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Looks like thE Australian NBL may be coming after hs players:

 

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Fran Fraschilla Retweeted Jonathan Givony

Very smart move by the Australian @nbl here. Game-changer for NBA prospects who don’t attend college. Paid well, great place w/no language barrier, NBA style 6 month league & still be home in time for NBA Combine/individual workouts before being drafted.

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Jonathan GivonyVerified account @DraftExpress
Is Australia coming for the NCAA's one and dones? A new NBL program is targeting NBA Draft-eligible players with league financing, creating a potential alternative to college basketball. http://es.pn/2F7UhSk 
5:19 PM - 1 Mar 2018

 

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