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GrizzTigerFan posted a topic in Grizzlies Team TalkSeeing as how the Rodney Stuckey discussion is hijacking the Draft thread. I thought i would shift the discussion over here. It has been posted in other sites that Grizzlies have the lowest production from the wing spots in the entire league (specifically SF). I am sure no one really needs a link to know that stat is true. Eyeball test confirmed it all year. Mike Conley mentioned at the end of the season that he needs another playmaker on the wing to share that responsibility with. Having to be primary playmaker and a scorer is too much of a burden. Also was mentioned that we need someone that can drive and generate contact for FTA to put pressure on defenses. That seemed like a pretty big indictment on our wing rotation. Here are the wing player under contract for next season. Tony Allen Quincy Pondexter Tayshaun Prince Jamaal Franklin Courtney Lee (UFA) James Johnson Mike Miller Looking at that crop of guys the only ones that can actually pass and handle the ball are the UFA's. The only other player that may have some of those abilities is an unproven rookie in Franklin. Also none of those guys are aggressive scorers (except maybe JJ) and are mostly poor ball-handlers and passsers. We basically have a ton of guys that are more defensive specialist. Only Lee and Miller were multidimensional shooters. Lee is the most complete player out of all of our wings but isn't a scorer or playmaker. Tayshaun is just a "glue guy" and doesn't do enough of anything to really help Conley or scoring in general. Needless to say the type of player Conley described is not on this roster. So how can we acquire this type of guy via trade, via draft or via free Agency. Free Agency Lance Stephenson Rodney Stuckey Evan Turner E'Twaun Moore Ramon Sessions Jordan Crawford I listed guys with the ability to handle and pass the ball at above average level and get to the rim. Not a very long list and full of questionable guys. Stephenson is gonna be too expensive and is a bit of a headcase. Turner is hated by FO and fans alike. Sessions is a horrible defender and outside shooter. Crawford is reckless. E'Twaun is undersized too. Stuckey is a vet, great size, ball-handling, and can get to the rim with PG skills. Draft No way Dave plays a rookie significant enough minutes on this veteran squad to be able to contribute next year (see Franklin, Jamaal). Trade Dion Waiters Tyreke Evans Alec Burke Iman Shumpert Eric Gordon Not alot of options that are really available and don't know if we have desirable assets to obtain. If i am missing anyone please let me know. Tyreke has elite ability to get to rack and PG skills as a ball-handler and passer and great size. However, he is expensive and injury prone. Dion Waiters has good scoring ability and combo guard ability to handle ball and pass but is undersized. Shumpert is mostly just overrated. Eric Gordon is undersized and overpriced. Alec Burke probably isn't available. Out of all the options that have been made available Stuckey and Tyreke are the best. Neither one of them are deep threats. Except Stuckey is a better FT shooter. Both can handle backup PG duty or play alongside Conley and defend SG or PG. Now the issue with Stuckey being a bad outside shooter is only really a problem if Tony or Tayshaun is still on roster. If they aren't then having a guy that isn't an outside threat BUT does have ability to score with slashing game is still a great help. he is only an issue if the plan is to play him with Tony or Tayshaun.
GrizzTigerFan posted a topic in Grizzlies Team TalkCollection of recent articles that has me thinking(dangerous!) about what is best move for Grizz FO. http://www.3sob.com/2014/january-2014/the-war-of-the-wings/13258/ "So what can we draw from all of this? These numbers that we’ve attempted to digest give us some of the story regarding the war of the wings, but alas there is much more story to be told. While definite conclusions are hard to come by, there are a few things that are for sure. 1) Courtney Lee + anybody = good things, for now at least. Keep playing Courtney Lee. 2) Courtney Lee + Tayshaun Prince = very good things. Again, for now at least. 3) Mike Miller paired with Tony Allen or Tayshaun Prince will make me shudder from here on out. 4) James Johnson and Tony Allen’s shared minutes will be something to keep an eye on." http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/features/2014/1/21/5325990/the-grind-not-taken-3-potential-paths-for-tony-allen-this-season "Three roads diverged in the Grindhouse. And one father of the Grit and the Grind, possibly looking down the path to the end of his time as a starter, or as a Grizzly entirely. The arrival of Courtney Lee has allowed for the need of the unique skill set of Tony Allen, Grizzlies starter, to come in to question. So which road should the Grizzlies front office take as they stare down the paths ahead of them?" http://www.memphisflyer.com/BeyondtheArc/archives/2014/01/28/tuesday-2-pointer-is-tony-allen-expendable "One thing is for certain: when Allen comes back, he comes back to a team that has flourished with Courtney Lee starting in his spot. Since coming to the Grizzlies from the Celtics in exchange for Jerryd Bayless, Lee has proven himself to be an excellent shooter and a solid defender, and while he's not the world class stopper that Allen is, the truth is that Allen hasn't really played up to his normal standard for much of this year, presumably because he's been fighting through so many injuries (you may remember that he missed several games in an earlier stretch due to a thigh contusion suffered in a December win over the Phoenix Suns). The Grizzlies have an awful lot of wing players now, and they all seem to have overlapping skill sets: Lee, Allen, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter, James Johnson, and Tayshaun Prince. They don't all do the same things, but each of them has something in common with the others. It's a bit of a logjam at the 2 and 3 spots when everyone is healthy." All the articles are recommended reading and are asking the hard questions that fans of the Grindfather may not want to read. The team still has a hole at backup PG that will be addressed. So does it make sense to explore trades for tony allen to address that need and not disrupt the chemistry we have going now? Tayshaun is widely viewed as the weak link but the team is still clicking with him in starting lineup alongside Lee and the lineup numbers are fine with any combination of the current 4 man wing rotation. Tayshaun is overpaid for this season and next. However, Tony is declining too and we have him locked up for 3 more years. Is the wiser move to trade Tony and keep Tayshaun? Tony definitely has way more trade value than Prince does and already has replacements on the roster waiting behind him (Jamaal and Qpon). If he is moved for a PG then we save money and have minimal disruption to current chemistry. Something to really think about. thoughts?