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Jaren Jackson meniscus tear, Out for season
fanboyslim replied to Crizzle's topic in Grizzlies Team Talk
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Being a fan of Indy as well, and seeing Oladipo and Turner as potential trade targets, here's a realistic view: Generally, the problem is that we are a small market team that does not have anything really desireable up for trade, unless we work out something utilizing our cap space and taking on bad contracts. Indy has no really bad contracts, but a three team trade might be possible - or just something that does not involve Indy at all. * Dipo is getting the max from Indy unless he explicitly states that he wants to go somewhere else. In case of that, other teams will have better offers unless we put Ja or JJJ on the table. * Turner isn't getting traded unless a) Indy gets a significant upgrade somewhere; b) he explicitly states that he wants to leave. We are not giving up Ja/JJJ, so a) is out of the question, and b) has an issue of other teams beating our offers. With Sabonis out, Myles has been doing really well offensively in the bubble, and he might want a bigger role on offense later on as well. In that case, Indy might move Myles or Sabonis - but if they are trading Myles, they'll want someone who is good defensively to shore up Sabonis' weakness (preferably shot-blocker), and spaces the floor. We do not have such a player available for trade. On the other hand, IF Indy decides to keep a more modern center and trades Sabonis, we might have some offer for him - most likely involving BC as perfect PF for Pacers (with Myles staying, Indy could afford a PF who does not shoot threes) and some future 1sts. Maybe of our young prospects (Grayson?). We'd have a frontcourt of JJJ and Sabonis - both a shot-blocker who can dribble and space the floor, and a great rebounder who can run the offense when Ja is off the floor - or together with him. Great screen setter as well. Can post-up very well, run the offense, high BBIQ, can hold his own defensively against Embiid and the like, and on a good contract for a while. So, actually, in my opinion, we should call Indy and offer BC/Grayson/1sts for Sabonis. Then we would probably need to reroute JV somewhere else (neither we nor Indy want to be paying that money for a backup center, even if he could be the focus of the offense there), hopefully for a future starter at SG/SF. Get rid of Brooks - Ja/JJJ/Domas should be taking the majority of shots, not a streaky Kobe-wannabe.
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Bradley Beal would be the only guy who I would think would make a substantial impact to this team but I'm not sure he's available and even if he is, I doubt if we have the assets to acquire him. Buddy Hield would be the only other guy on that list that I would consider but who knows if SAC is considering trading him. It's not like we're that much better than SAC. With that being said, I'd rather wait until FA 2022. We'll have tons of money and a 1st round pick. We are ahead of schedule now and everybody wants it now and wants to build a contender but I think we would be better served making those type moves a couple of years from now Let's finish this year, take our bumps and bruises next year & the year after and in a couple of years Ja and Jaren will be much more experienced, JV more than likely would have moved and we will have a better idea of who to keep moving forward. The West is really loaded and will be even more loaded once teams get healthier next year. Making moves now will only prove to be frustrating in the future.
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More draft thread fodder.
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Memphis Grizzlies vs Utah Jazz - 8/5/20
FrenchGrizzlies replied to chipc3's topic in Grizzlies Team Talk
+1. This year is not a very good draft, i would give our pick this year. For the rest just look at the game replay with no stress, good game from the guys. And a very special for Mike who seems to reach his good level just on time!! -
TJ called a timeout at 3:56 left in the second quarter. The score was 54-46 (Grizzlies +8). He then waits until the Jazz dismantle us and make the score 64-55 (Jazz +9 for an 18-1 run) before calling his next timeout at 36.5 seconds left in the second quarter. As the coach of a young team, WHY not use the timeout earlier?!
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Remember, if we keep our pick this year we lose our pick next year. Think on that.
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Wats up Grizz nation... While either one of these two would look good in a Grizz uni, are they gonna fit into #GrizzNxtGen?? Last thing we need are locker room cancers.... like a Dion Waiters in Miami hatin on Hero... I suggest Plan A and B: 2020 Draft: https://www.nbadraft.net/players/josh-green/ 2021 Draft: https://www.nbadraft.net/players/scottie-barnes/ What's been exposed in the bubble is that the Grizzlies guards n wings can't stop dribble penetration, can't challege jump shooters (poor wingspans), and cannot create their own shots... Don't know what happened to Josh jackson in the bubble but I always felt Meltons impact this season was fools gold... Go Grizz!!
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This is far more realistic, I have said for months I think Lavine is the guy we should target but Buddy is more realistic. If Dillion who makes half what he makes and 3 years young is in the deal I would only trade a few 2nds to make it happen. But I believe Dillion still has value just not as a starter. I honestly believe he and the new Grayson we have sling with Tyus could really make our 2nd unit a well balanced group with BC and a healthy Porter or Dieng.
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Any team willing to pay Horford 25 million per year for the next 3 years is crazy and insane to pay him that to come off the bench.
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Maybe but Reddick shoots on the move crazy well. Off balance or whatever. he didn't average 27 at Duke for nothing. Korver has the quickest release I have ever seen in my life. I feel like those guys are just above the rest and that's a special category of spot shooter.
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At the end of the day, a Hield for Dillon and Filler swap makes a lot of sense of both teams. They save some money and get a bench scorer to replace Hield, we get a more consistent weapon that can spread the floor, and that should work well with Ja. Both teams win. Hield and Joseph for Dieng and Dillon. Saves them ~3 million for next year, plus 2.4 million in 2021-22, maybe we send a second or two, but certainly won't have to send a first that way. Or we stand pat and hope for improved health and internal development. Hopefully Grayson makes the move to be a starter with Winslow on the wings, hopefully Dillon can buy into the 6th man role. Hopefully Ja, Melton, and Brandon work on their 3 point shots. Jaren figures out how to rebound at an average rate, and gets healthy. Justise and Tyus also get healthy. Jontay Porter and Konchar develop into serviceable role players.
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I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but look at the impact that Reddick, Korver, Duncan Robinson, etc have had in the league by more or less only shooting 3s. That's a big IF on this just being a small sample size, but the blueprint is there. Plus, he's more athletic than any of those guys, so get can get out in transition and finish.
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Probably wishful thinking, but I figure a pick or young player of some sort would have to be included as part of the price of a team taking on Horford.
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While I think the trade you mentioned is almost possible, I don't see them giving up Thybulle under any circumstance, which is fine. They can just give us a second instead.
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On The Road To Nowhere In 2020: Fear And Loathing In Bubble World
Rdk4121 replied to ALT GRIND's topic in Grizzlies Team Talk
We'll be fine. We're missing 3 of our top 8 players right now, and arguably our best player. No the bubble isn't going well, and that's okay. We're young, we're going to take our lumps at times. There are some positives that have come from this. Grayson Allen looks like he could be a starter if he can sustain his success here. Jaren looked like he was really rounding out his offensive game, as well as limiting his fouls a little in his 3 games. Melton, and maybe Josh if we want him, have driven down their value, so they should be easier to retain. And well, everyone is gaining valuable experience for a playoff race. Plus we're going to end up 13th or 14th, which means we either jump into the top 4 of the draft (very unlikely) or convey our pick (very likely). Some of those are a little glass half full type of things, but there have been some positives. -
HORFORD/THYBULLE/RICHARDSON for DIENG/BROOKS/ANDERSON This trade gets Philly a big expiring contract in Gorgui Dieng. Gives them some solid minutes backing up Embiid too. Brooks can start at the two or three or come off the bench. Kyle is solid. Basically, allows them to take a mulligan with the Horford signing. For Memphis, Horford can start along with Jaren or back up JV. Having Horford and BC coming in off the bench would be one of the best front court benches in the league. Richardson gives you a solid wing player. Thybulle could end up being Tony Allen 2.0. And Horford’s deal is off the books before you need to re-up Morant and still gives you room to sign free agents. We could maybe even get a second rounder out of Philly if they end up as desperate to unload Horford as I think they will. Rotations next season ... Simmons/Milton Morant/Jones Brooks/Korkmaz Richardson/Thybulle/Allen Anderson Winslow Harris JJJ/Clarke Embiid/Dieng JV/Horford
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Josh Richardson is a name to watch out for. Sixers might look to shake things up, or save money. We could get involved.
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We need a go to scorer that is in the same age bracket/timeline as our core guys Zach will be 25 next year making 19 million a year and is one the most athletically gifted players in the league.
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On The Road To Nowhere In 2020: Fear And Loathing In Bubble World
ALT GRIND replied to ALT GRIND's topic in Grizzlies Team Talk
Yeah. And the title of this thread is a riff of Hunter S. Thompson, get it? I have been thinking of paying homage for Bubble World/Mania for like, a month. Now is as good a time as any to break out this thread. -
I mean, in terms of things actually accomplished thus far in the nba? Average 20+ points/game for a full season. Be top 5 in the league in 3 point shots and makes for multiple different seasons while shooting between 39% to 43% from 3 consistently on that type of volume. Even if you project Grayson out to starter minutes (assuming he could still produce at the same rate over expanded minutes, which is no given), he's still not the same type of scorer or volume shooter that Hield is. No disrespect to Grayson, I'd like to keep him around too. There's no reason you can't have both. There's no rule against having more than one quality perimeter shooting wing on the team at a time (despite what Grizzlies history might suggest, lol).
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Hield can create his own. Grayson is shooting well right now but they are only standstill catch and shoot threes mostly. You aren't going to average a lot of points in the NBA with that as you main source of offense. You will be lucky to average double digits.
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If Grayson can prove that it is sustainable, then we don't have anything to worry about. I truly hopes it's not a flash in the pan and we can start him with Dillon coming off the bench. That solves a lot of our issues without having to spend any more money. Hopefully Justise can come back healthy and productive and we have our starting lineup figured out for the time being.
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What Hield can do what Grayson cannot given Hield costs 10 times more?
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On The Road To Nowhere In 2020: Fear And Loathing In Bubble World
chipc3 replied to ALT GRIND's topic in Grizzlies Team Talk
Did you seriously bump your own thread after one hour?
