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#1 Ndq0327

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 02:47 PM

To try and draw attention away from blowing the team up, and dream championship scenarios which we all should know neither will happen this year. What we can discuss is what will the team do in reguards to our lack of big man depth.

Brandan Wright is out and injury prone.

ZBo has shown that extended minutes isn't gonna work for him this season.

Marc has the neck thing.

Jam doesn't have the size to deal with real centers or power bigs.

Martin is hurt and wasn't going to play.

Jeff Barnes and VC are wings.

So how do we fix our big man problem?

I posted three trades where we landed either Miles Plumlee, Chris Kaman, or JJ Hickson. KBM created the channing Frye thread so there are four available bigs. I want to know what you guys think the FO will or should do in reguards to this manner.

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 03:29 PM

Waive the 3rd PG. Sign Hollins. 



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Posted 22 November 2015 - 03:44 PM

I just want someone that checks off as many of these boxes as possible.

  • Young and athletic
  • solid rebounder and defender
  • Has some upside


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Posted 22 November 2015 - 03:58 PM

Waive the 3rd PG. Sign Hollins.


What happens when Conley gets hurt later in the season who backs up Rio?

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 07:57 PM

What happens when Conley gets hurt later in the season who backs up Rio?

you make a good point, but I guess I would say cross that bridge when/if you come to it.  You HAVE a problem at center NOW and who knows when or if Wright will come back. 

 

I hate the thought of waiving Russ Smith.  I would rather waive Vince Carter, bless his heart or James Ennis and then sign Ryan Hollins. The only thing about Hollins is that he is 30 years old. Just cant see waiving a young PG for a 30 yr old center.   its a heckuva situation. However, one thing is certain, The way things are now wont work for much longer--not to say they are even working now.  

 

If Ennis has some potential then use him, but to have him sit game after game after game while we are starving for a big like Hollins who is still unsigned as of now just doesnt make sense.  What is the consensus?  Does Ennis have a future with the Grizzlies?  Is he worth holding on to, but never playing and precluding the Grizz from signing Hollins?



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Posted 22 November 2015 - 08:33 PM

you make a good point, but I guess I would say cross that bridge when/if you come to it. You HAVE a problem at center NOW and who knows when or if Wright will come back.

I hate the thought of waiving Russ Smith. I would rather waive Vince Carter, bless his heart or James Ennis and then sign Ryan Hollins. The only thing about Hollins is that he is 30 years old. Just cant see waiving a young PG for a 30 yr old center. its a heckuva situation. However, one thing is certain, The way things are now wont work for much longer--not to say they are even working now.

If Ennis has some potential then use him, but to have him sit game after game after game while we are starving for a big like Hollins who is still unsigned as of now just doesnt make sense. What is the consensus? Does Ennis have a future with the Grizzlies? Is he worth holding on to, but never playing and precluding the Grizz from signing Hollins?


Waiving either of the young players makes not Waiving Stokes look absolutely stupid. I could see us moving Russ for a big cause they have Harrison in the dleague and he should at least be as good as a third pg by next season. But I think Russ has gotten an unfair shake due to Joerger's inability to let him be himself and learn from his mistakes.

I really hope the reason they are playing VC is because they are showing that he can actually still play. It makes no sense to go through another season with VC playing ahead of a young wing when VC is not in your future plans. All the BS about not knowing the plays is an excuse cause Chalmers doesn't know the plays but he is a more important player than Ennis.

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:10 AM

What would it take to get Nerlens from Philly?    Dude is going to be stud defensive anchor sooner than later.  Just curios asking for a friend. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:34 AM

What would it take to get Nerlens from Philly?    Dude is going to be stud defensive anchor sooner than later.  Just curios asking for a friend. 

 

Probably have to start with Mike Conley since they need a PG, then go from there. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:46 AM

Probably have to start with Mike Conley since they need a PG, then go from there. 

I mean at some point they have to try to start getting real players and trying to win, right?  



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 10:54 AM

I mean at some point they have to try to start getting real players and trying to win, right?  

 

In a different thread you admit that the motion and spread offense has a ceiling. Here you say the team needs to start getting "real players" and try to win. The fact is the Grizzlies have real players and they have won and will continue to win (I hope) at a high level. 

If you are suggesting that the team can get a superstar to win it all (which is exactly what you said in the other thread) then be prepared for years of losing. The Warriors missed the playoffs for over 20 years before landing Curry because teams made mistakes ahead of them (Grizzlies included). The Timberwolves haven't been the playoffs since Kevin Garnett was on his first go round with the team. Even Cleveland had to be given the gift of LeBron James to turn around that franchise. 

 

Or we can make gradual changes and remain a winning team that needs more than a little luck to win it all but will consistently win games. I prefer winning to losing even if losing offers the hope of winning at a higher level in some distant future. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 11:02 AM

In a different thread you admit that the motion and spread offense has a ceiling. Here you say the team needs to start getting "real players" and try to win. The fact is the Grizzlies have real players and they have won and will continue to win (I hope) at a high level. 

If you are suggesting that the team can get a superstar to win it all (which is exactly what you said in the other thread) then be prepared for years of losing. The Warriors missed the playoffs for over 20 years before landing Curry because teams made mistakes ahead of them (Grizzlies included). The Timberwolves haven't been the playoffs since Kevin Garnett was on his first go round with the team. Even Cleveland had to be given the gift of LeBron James to turn around that franchise. 

 

Or we can make gradual changes and remain a winning team that needs more than a little luck to win it all but will consistently win games. I prefer winning to losing even if losing offers the hope of winning at a higher level in some distant future. 

Calm down Cowboy i was referring to Philly they don't have any real players and aren't trying to win.  

 

Now that you understand that you can safely watch the rest of your argument implode upon itself from the comfort of your keyboard. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 11:11 AM

Calm down Cowboy i was referring to Philly they don't have any real players and aren't trying to win.  

 

Now that you understand that you can safely watch the rest of your argument implode upon itself from the comfort of your keyboard. 

 

Well I think Philly is trying to get players but they have done a pathetic job of drafting healthy players. They are also trying to win. I was in Philly last year when they nearly beat the Grizzlies before Conley pulled it out at the end with that clutch 3. 

 

Just because a team isn't winning doesn't mean they don't have real players and are trying to lose, especially in November. 

 

My argument is unchanged that I prefer sticking with a winning team with our own style than trying to play some other team's style and lose. Even if losing has the outside chance of getting a superstar. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 11:25 AM

If they waived Ennis and signed him in Iowa that would be ideal. He's not gonna get any minutes this year anyways. They could sign him for training camp and see what he's capable of next year.

 

Ryan Hollins ain't enough to light a fire under Gasol. I've said it once i'll keep saying it; Henry Sims should be the target. We already messed up once on center just sitting there in the dleague, i hope FO doesn't do it again.



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 11:37 AM

Well I think Philly is trying to get players but they have done a pathetic job of drafting healthy players. They are also trying to win. I was in Philly last year when they nearly beat the Grizzlies before Conley pulled it out at the end with that clutch 3. 

 

Just because a team isn't winning doesn't mean they don't have real players and are trying to lose, especially in November. 

 

My argument is unchanged that I prefer sticking with a winning team with our own style than trying to play some other team's style and lose. Even if losing has the outside chance of getting a superstar. 

I think its pretty obvious Philly hasn't been trying to win but i don't really care about them so no point in debating that.

 

Our team isn't winning we are .500 and have only beaten bad teams.   Your argument should change when new data presents itself.  Besides i am not one of those saying that we need to tank to get a superstar.   I am just correctly pointing out that our old recipe for success isn't working anymore so something has to change.   It's not a matter of trying to "play another teams style" as it is recognizing what we are doing isn't working.  

 

Also Dave Joerger doesn't agree with you either because he has been trying to improve the offense since his tenure began.

 

http://www.commercia...-330348151.html

 

Grizzlies coach Dave Joerger keeps beating the drum.

In this case, he's all over eardrums with a familiar tune to his players.

The Griz must commit to playing faster and with more ball movement.

Same refrain, year three.

"My belief is that is something that can help us break through our ceiling," Joerger said. "Our offense has to be better for us to break through and get where we've never been.......

Joerger, unyielding in his desire to play a motion offense, couldn't be clearer about how this group of Griz will look after his third training camp.

"We want to spin (the ball) around and see if defense will make a mistake," Joerger said. "When we play slow, we really struggle to score. And I don't mean going up and down the court 100 miles per hour. I'm talking about moving the ball, screening hard and cutting hard. If we move the ball and put a lot of pressure on the rim, we're hoping that our free throws will go up and our points in the paint will go up. And when we do those things, it helps set our defense.""

Literally Dave said everything i have been saying about our offense and which is the reason i thought he would be a solid Lionel replacement.    So you can pretend like the Grizzlies are satisfied with their mediocre offense like you are but the Head Coach disagrees. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:26 PM

I never said I am satisfied with a mediocre offense. I said I am happier supporting a winning team than a losing one. Today, the Grizzlies are neither but for the last 5 seasons they have been a winning team. 

 

The team isn't built to run like the Hawks, Spurs, Warriors or other teams so if they attempt to play that style they will lose. Just like they have lost this year to team's playing that style. Imitation may be the finest form of flattery but the Grizzlies aren't built to compete with teams playing the other team's style. 

 

I don't disagree that a more effective offense would be to move the ball side to side, screen hard and cut hard. That doesn't mean blowing up the system. That means running the system more efficiently. Doing the little things like making a pass, setting a pick and cutting to the basket doesn't mean the team needs to radically change. In fact, I don't see that meaning any change at all outside of being more efficient in the offense they are running. 

 

Nowhere in your numerous quotes is Joerger saying to shoot more three point shots. Nowhere is he saying to run up and down the court faster. He simply is saying the team needs to be more effective in running the offense they currently have. I agree with that assessment. The offense needs to be better at what they are doing and have done for years.

 

I disagree that it needs to change unless you consider a change to be running the offense the way it is supposed to be run. You believe, and according to your comments above have believed for a long time, that Joerger would change the offensive system. Joerger isn't saying he wants to change anything from what you quoted. He just wants the team to do what they do better. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:47 PM

Josh Smith may be available. Him and a healthy Wright would give us an athletic big duo off of the bench but then again, he wore out his welcome in ATL, DET, HOU and now clashing heads in LAC. He could help us more than he's helping the paper clips though. 



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:53 PM

Josh Smith may be available. Him and a healthy Wright would give us an athletic bug duo off of the bench but then again, he wore out his welcome in ATL, DET, HOU and now clashing heads in LAC. He could help us more than he's helping the paper clips though.


Wallace likes Smith unfortunately

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:59 PM

Getting Josh Smith at this point sounds like a Chris Wallace move. He's been on his scouting report since 2008 and is now washed goods. GO GET EM CHRIS!



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 01:01 PM

Grizz desperately tried to get Smith last year after he was waived by Detroit.

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 01:05 PM

They would have to trade a young guy to get him unless there is a package deal to be made clee and Vince for Stephenson and smith

Edit make that TA and VC for Lance and Smith