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#1 tennesseessio

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Posted 04 July 2015 - 04:10 PM

Memphis Trades: Jeff Green, Beno Udrith, Jordan Adams, Jarnell Stokes, Russ Smith

Memphis Receives: George Hill, JJ Hickson, CJ Miles

 

Denver Trades: Ty Lawson, JJ Hickson

Denver Receives: Jeff Green, Beno Udrith, Russ Smith

 

Indiana Trades: George Hill, CJ Miles

Indiana Receives: Ty Lawson, Jordan Adams, Jarnell Stokes

 

 

Lawson: 2 yrs 12.4mil

Green: 1 yr 9.5mil

Hill: 2yr 8.0mil

Hickson: 1 yr 5.6mil

Miles: 3 yrs 4.4mil

Udrith: 1 yr 2.2mil

Adams: 3yrs 1.4mil

Smith: 2yrs 845k

Stokes: 2yrs 845k

 

- The Nuggets get rid of Lawson for a good player on an expiring in Green. They save a lot of money this year and next year. They can use Udrith as a mentor for Mudiay or cut him and save more money. Smith makes a good roster player.

- The Pacers get a slight upgrade from Hill to Lawson and trade Miles for two young players to round out their roster. There won't be a lot of mpg for Miles with George and now Ellis, anyway. They may be able to get a 2nd from the Nuggets in this as well.

- The Grizz get a backup PG w/ some serious scoring/shooting juice. Hill can play SG w/ Conley as well, so Joeger can run the duel Pn'R system he hasn't had the personell to implement yet. Miles is a shooter/scorer who can play either wing spot. We can use him at SF w/ Lee at SG and teams won't be able to clamp down on our bigs. Hickson is a good 5 on an expiring. He gives us a big body to round out our frontcourt.

 

Memphis Grizzlies:

Conley, Hill, Harrison

Lee, Miles

Allen, Barnes, Carter

Randolph, Wright, Green

Gasol, Hickson



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Posted 04 July 2015 - 05:40 PM

Here's another much simpler deal...

 

Memphis Trades: Beno Udrith, Jordan Adams

Memphis Receives: CJ Miles

 

Indiana Trades: CJ Miles

Indiana Receives: Beno Udrith, Jordan Adams

 

 

- Miles offers the "size of the wing" our coaching staff and front office have been looking for. He can be paired with either Allen, Green, Lee, Carter, or Barnes. Adams is strictly a 2. Now we have the option of playing 2 shooters (Lee/Miles) on the wing at the same time w/ Conley, and Randolph & Gasol.

- Indiana gets younger and saves some money.



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Posted 04 July 2015 - 05:56 PM

Miles isn't worth giving up Adams IMO.

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Posted 04 July 2015 - 10:17 PM

Quick suggestion before proposing trades.  Run them through the ESPN trade machine, and make sure all teams involved show that it will give them improvement.  If it doesn't, don't write them up, because it is likely that the team that doesn't improve would never do what you think in the trade.

 

For example, your first trade resulted in all three teams losing wins: the Grizzlies lost 2, Indiana lost 1 and the Nuggets lost 5.  Why would the teams do such a trade?  



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Posted 05 July 2015 - 12:26 PM

Uhhhhhh... b/c real teams don't care about those ridiculous and meaningless stats. I did run it through Trade Machine. They aren't really meant to be taken seriously in the first place. It's a crude and static formula that doesn't apply well to real life. You didn't know? Do you actually think real GMs sit on there computers like you do and run their trades thru an internet site? "Well this sounded good at first, but Trade Machine doesn't think we'll get more wins from it so the deals off!" Also, teams often have motives other than winning games. Denver, for example, wants to part with Lawson b/c they are rebuilding and have Mudiay. They might rather have an asset in Green, save tens of millions of dollars over two year, and gain maneuverability than a PG that no longer fits their team.  Just to show you how stupid those +/- win stats are go back and look at the 1st trade again; we are getting Hill, Hickson, Miles for Green and Udrith and roster players who haven't ever accomplished anything. That's two starter-level players and a solid role player, for one starter-level player one marginal role player and filler. The 3 incoming players total a combined 37.1ppg, 13.5rpg, 7.0apg., whereas the 5 outgoing players total a combined 31.3ppg, 9.2rpg, 5.9apg. That doesn't even factor in games played and mpg which skew the results in favor of the outgoing b/c Adams, Stokes, and Smith barely played. If you wouldn't do that trade there is something wrong with you just like there's something wrong with the formula, and I wouldn't take you seriously just like I don't take those stats seriously.

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Posted 07 July 2015 - 09:43 AM

Uhhhhhh... b/c real teams don't care about those ridiculous and meaningless stats. I did run it through Trade Machine. They aren't really meant to be taken seriously in the first place. It's a crude and static formula that doesn't apply well to real life. You didn't know? Do you actually think real GMs sit on there computers like you do and run their trades thru an internet site? "Well this sounded good at first, but Trade Machine doesn't think we'll get more wins from it so the deals off!" Also, teams often have motives other than winning games. Denver, for example, wants to part with Lawson b/c they are rebuilding and have Mudiay. They might rather have an asset in Green, save tens of millions of dollars over two year, and gain maneuverability than a PG that no longer fits their team.  Just to show you how stupid those +/- win stats are go back and look at the 1st trade again; we are getting Hill, Hickson, Miles for Green and Udrith and roster players who haven't ever accomplished anything. That's two starter-level players and a solid role player, for one starter-level player one marginal role player and filler. The 3 incoming players total a combined 37.1ppg, 13.5rpg, 7.0apg., whereas the 5 outgoing players total a combined 31.3ppg, 9.2rpg, 5.9apg. That doesn't even factor in games played and mpg which skew the results in favor of the outgoing b/c Adams, Stokes, and Smith barely played. If you wouldn't do that trade there is something wrong with you just like there's something wrong with the formula, and I wouldn't take you seriously just like I don't take those stats seriously.

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I wouldn't do your trade because I don't think the three players you have coming in would help the Grizzlies, not because of any stats you might like to cite.  They achieved those stats playing on teams where they were higher up the food chain than they would be here.  Much like Jeff Green, a player's success elsewhere in no way guarantees success here.  None of the three players you use really fit the style of play employed by the Grizzlies.  I take into account style of play over stats almost always.