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#21 grizzdizzle

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE (lazyberbs @ Dec 13 2008, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a lot easier to get your head into the game when you play 30 minutes than when you play 12 or 13. And it's a lot easier to play 30 minutes when your head is in the game. Self-fulfilling situation.

Another thing makes it easier, as well. When you expect that you might possibly get a pass or two near the basket, you can be prepared for them, and if you are catching and finishing them, you will get more.

And those 6 offensive boards helped some against the Bulls.

Just keep things going. And Hak coming in as the first big really is working out. I am really glad to see Marc, Darko and Hak getting a lot of minutes. Later on, Arthur can get some but right now, with this rotation, we are winning games, and that aint't all bad, either. If they keep this up, there might be some minutes for Arthur and he will be ready, I hope.

Don't act like coach not playing him 30 minutes every game has been the problem -- it's been Darko's inconsistent play and foul problems. Have you noticed that he hasn't gotten 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes these games? He has played much, much better lately and deservedly has been getting more minutes. I hope he keeps it up, because he can be a valuable part of this team.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 01:07 PM

SOMETHING happened two games ago at halftime during the Gay-Mayo controversy game. After the half, Mayo rifled a tough pass into Darko and he caught it and finished. Other guys have been feeding him in the post, too, and he's been catching and finishing...even Rudy passed it to him a couple of times!!!! And Conley!!! And the big fella is responding.

BTW, the OKC announcers mentioned that D-Milli was "not a primo shotblocker." I wonder what they thought of 4 blocks in 26 minutes?

Something weird is going on. The Grizz are acting like an actual basketball team out there. Is it Halloween? April 1st? Let's hope it lasts.



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Posted 13 December 2008 - 02:05 PM

QUOTE (Juan-Rudy Darkmiller @ Dec 13 2008, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SOMETHING happened two games ago at halftime during the Gay-Mayo controversy game. After the half, Mayo rifled a tough pass into Darko and he caught it and finished. Other guys have been feeding him in the post, too, and he's been catching and finishing...even Rudy passed it to him a couple of times!!!! And Conley!!! And the big fella is responding.

BTW, the OKC announcers mentioned that D-Milli was "not a primo shotblocker." I wonder what they thought of 4 blocks in 26 minutes?

Something weird is going on. The Grizz are acting like an actual basketball team out there. Is it Halloween? April 1st? Let's hope it lasts.



Is he even better than Kwame Brown???

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE (grizzdizzle @ Dec 13 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't act like coach not playing him 30 minutes every game has been the problem -- it's been Darko's inconsistent play and foul problems. Have you noticed that he hasn't gotten 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes these games? He has played much, much better lately and deservedly has been getting more minutes. I hope he keeps it up, because he can be a valuable part of this team.

you get 6 fouls. darko fouling out hasn't been why we were losing. if you get 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes he can still play in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters. there is a thing called rhythm and sometimes you need your consistent minutes to get it. iverson is complaining about only getting 35 min is messing his rhythm up so for darko to sometimes get 23 and sometimes 12 it's has to be hard to be consistent.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 03:54 PM

Darko is not trying as hard. Maybe he has accepted his role as a low post player and a defensive presence in the middle. If he can rebound like he did against Chicago every night, it will be hard not to start him every game.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (grizzdizzle @ Dec 13 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't act like coach not playing him 30 minutes every game has been the problem -- it's been Darko's inconsistent play and foul problems. Have you noticed that he hasn't gotten 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes these games? He has played much, much better lately and deservedly has been getting more minutes. I hope he keeps it up, because he can be a valuable part of this team.


My point was that you play better with 30 minutes and you get 30 minutes when you play better.

But I do not see how you can defend the idea that a player can get into his rhythm just as easily in 12 minutes as he can with 30 minutes. And especially if that 12 minutes is divided up into 4 or 6 minute stretches. It just does not happen. And when a player gets a couple of fouls in the first few minutes and is allowed to stay in, he will more than likely hit his rhythm and not pick up fouls so quickly. Besides, if you and some other believe that he is not a very important player, why would you care if he fouls out early? Part of learning to play in the NBA is learning to play with fouls.

What makes it most difficult to learn and most difficult to play all out is believing that as soon as you make a mistakr or get a couple of fouls, you will be jerked.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 05:43 PM

I'm just happy for Darko.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 05:50 PM

QUOTE (lazyberbs @ Dec 13 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My point was that you play better with 30 minutes and you get 30 minutes when you play better.

But I do not see how you can defend the idea that a player can get into his rhythm just as easily in 12 minutes as he can with 30 minutes. And especially if that 12 minutes is divided up into 4 or 6 minute stretches. It just does not happen. And when a player gets a couple of fouls in the first few minutes and is allowed to stay in, he will more than likely hit his rhythm and not pick up fouls so quickly. Besides, if you and some other believe that he is not a very important player, why would you care if he fouls out early? Part of learning to play in the NBA is learning to play with fouls.

What makes it most difficult to learn and most difficult to play all out is believing that as soon as you make a mistakr or get a couple of fouls, you will be jerked.

I will agree that it's difficult to get into a rhythm in 12 minutes as opposed to 30 minutes. But I would also argue that up until recently, Darko has not earned the opportunity to get 30 minutes. He has to show that he is going to work hard whenever he is put in -- whether it is 5, 10, or 20 minutes -- in order to warrant getting more playing time. Unfortunately, there were many games in the past where Darko looked or acted like his head was not in the game, or he would fumble passes (and he should catch them when they're thrown to him, even if it's not done often), or he would pick up quick fouls. I understand that these things happen sometimes even to the top players, but as someone who has not proven himself to be a player who will play at a higher level consistently, if he does these the first 10 minutes he's in the game, then why keep playing him to see if, by chance, he does improve?

Listen, I do not dislike Darko. In fact, I really would like to see him do well. He has been showing recently that he is able to play well on a more consistent basis, and I am ecstatic for that. But he has done nothing to this point to earn the benefit of the doubt if he starts out slow. But cheers to him for playing better. If he can continue improving and keep his head on straight, then he will really be a valuable part of this team. I look forward to seeing it.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 08:26 PM

Ovi, I can't believe you of all people used the term "hater". I thought you were above that sort of thing.

Darko has shown good play in spurts. Until he does this for a longer stretch, I'm assuming this is a spurt right now.

Frankly, everybody has looked better the past few games, so it could be a deal where he's just another rubber duck rising with the overall tide.

Nothing would make me happier than to see Darko become a consistent, solid player. If he can average 10/8 like another poster said and look in control while doing it, I'll take that in a heartbeat.

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Posted 13 December 2008 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE (The Juice Factor @ Dec 13 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Darko has shown good play in spurts. Until he does this for a longer stretch, I'm assuming this is a spurt right now.

Frankly, everybody has looked better the past few games, so it could be a deal where he's just another rubber duck rising with the overall tide.

Nothing would make me happier than to see Darko become a consistent, solid player. If he can average 10/8 like another poster said and look in control while doing it, I'll take that in a heartbeat.


I gotta agree. Even Stro showed some life from time to time. Don't get me wrong, would love to see him do well, but a few games doesn't all the others he played disappear.

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 02:25 AM

QUOTE (The Juice Factor @ Dec 13 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ovi, I can't believe you of all people used the term "hater". I thought you were above that sort of thing.


Hehe, I used to be...I guess hanging around Memphis with King Willie in charge has made me assimilate a little. You know, I'm one of those people that's always drinking the "hater-ade". smile.gif

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 09:08 AM

Solute for everyone, my first post, sory for my bad english.

I'm realy glad coz Darko play good, hope he is gona continue.

He just need 30 min per game, and you will se in 2-3 monuts how god player he is.
He didnt play 2,5 year (his 18-21), how many players can stay normal, and show any progres if they dont play
when it is most important for his development. He will be better, just give him minutes.
One more thing, team was extremly selphish in the start of the season(i watch fev games), every player for himself, that is so bad.
But now it is better.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE (Vidic_Fan @ Dec 15 2008, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Solute for everyone, my first post, sory for my bad english.

I'm realy glad coz Darko play good, hope he is gona continue.

He just need 30 min per game, and you will se in 2-3 monuts how god player he is.
He didnt play 2,5 year (his 18-21), how many players can stay normal, and show any progres if they dont play
when it is most important for his development. He will be better, just give him minutes.
One more thing, team was extremly selphish in the start of the season(i watch fev games), every player for himself, that is so bad.
But now it is better.

Welcome to the boards Vidic and Darko will get more minutes as long as he continues to play this way. In the NBA no one is guaranteed anything. You have to earn what you get. Darko is earning his minutes right now but he is only averaging 8.8 points and 5.6 rebounds in the last 5 games. He is blocking more shots and shooting a high percentage but he still has a ways to go in production. If he can remain healthy and continue to develop more minutes will come.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 09:17 AM

QUOTE (The Juice Factor @ Dec 14 2008, 03:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Darko has shown good play in spurts. Until he does this for a longer stretch, I'm assuming this is a spurt right now.


Gotta agree with someone who likes the Black Adder


But I do think Darko can play well on a regular basis


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 09:38 AM

QUOTE (chipc3 @ Dec 15 2008, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the boards Vidic and Darko will get more minutes as long as he continues to play this way. In the NBA no one is guaranteed anything. You have to earn what you get. Darko is earning his minutes right now but he is only averaging 8.8 points and 5.6 rebounds in the last 5 games. He is blocking more shots and shooting a high percentage but he still has a ways to go in production. If he can remain healthy and continue to develop more minutes will come.



He will earn, you'l see,in fact already earning tongue.gif

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Vidic_Fan @ Dec 15 2008, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Solute for everyone, my first post, sory for my bad english.

I'm realy glad coz Darko play good, hope he is gona continue.

He just need 30 min per game, and you will se in 2-3 monuts how god player he is.
He didnt play 2,5 year (his 18-21), how many players can stay normal, and show any progres if they dont play
when it is most important for his development. He will be better, just give him minutes.
One more thing, team was extremly selphish in the start of the season(i watch fev games), every player for himself, that is so bad.
But now it is better.


Hello Vidic and welcome to the board. Where are you located? Are you in the US or in Europe?

We try to like all the Grizzlies, especially when they are winning! laugh.gif

Darko can be a good player - defensively and a good contributor offensively. I wonder if he and Marc are spurring each other on in a good way to play better.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (CarlCR @ Dec 15 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello Vidic and welcome to the board. Where are you located? Are you in the US or in Europe?

We try to like all the Grizzlies, especially when they are winning! laugh.gif

Darko can be a good player - defensively and a good contributor offensively. I wonder if he and Marc are spurring each other on in a good way to play better.


Hello.
I'm from Serbia. As you see from my nick, I am Man Utd fan, but I love NBA very much, offcourse i'm not fan strong as you, I like national team of Serbia, and his (ex)players. Darko, Peja, Radman, Vlade Divac, Nenad Krstic(former NBA). I hope Darko will stay in Memphis, and not go in Europe.
Mark and Darko are from Eurpoe, and my thinking is that they need to play together as much as it posible, and they gona kickass for month or two. Darko always play very god for Serbia, very immportant player, it can be in M.G. too.

I just want to say one thing, if team want to play god, they must have conections ,friendship, and good atmosfere(dont know the word), something like Sac Kings in 2002. If everyone play for himself, it's only good for personal stats. In the last gamest, it seems that thing are changing, some players make more assist, less ballhog. This is a young team, if they stay together couple years, who knows what they can do.


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Posted 15 December 2008 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Vidic_Fan @ Dec 15 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to say one thing, if team want to play god, they must have conections ,friendship, and good atmosfere(dont know the word), something like Sac Kings in 2002. If everyone play for himself, it's only good for personal stats. In the last gamest, it seems that thing are changing, some players make more assist, less ballhog. This is a young team, if they stay together couple years, who knows what they can do.


The word you're looking for is "chemistry", and I couldn't agree more. There are many on these boards that believe that all you have to do is assemble a team full of talent regardless of chemistry (see the proponents of the Zach Randolph trade) and it will win. One of my friends who is an ex-NFL (American football) player frequently refers to such players as GDI's (the I stands for "individuals"--I'll let everyone else figure out the "GD"). You give me five guys of average talent who enjoy playing together and care more about the team than their own achievements, and you take five guys of above-average talent who are primarily concerned about their stats, and I'll beat you more often than not.

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Draft Someone Good @ Dec 13 2008, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A five game stretch doesn't mean Darko is suddenly good at basketball.


I don't think anyone said that... let me check.... rolleyes.gif

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Posted 15 December 2008 - 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Vidic_Fan @ Dec 15 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello.
I'm from Serbia. As you see from my nick, I am Man Utd fan, but I love NBA very much, offcourse i'm not fan strong as you, I like national team of Serbia, and his (ex)players. Darko, Peja, Radman, Vlade Divac, Nenad Krstic(former NBA). I hope Darko will stay in Memphis, and not go in Europe.
Mark and Darko are from Eurpoe, and my thinking is that they need to play together as much as it posible, and they gona kickass for month or two. Darko always play very god for Serbia, very immportant player, it can be in M.G. too.

I just want to say one thing, if team want to play god, they must have conections ,friendship, and good atmosfere(dont know the word), something like Sac Kings in 2002. If everyone play for himself, it's only good for personal stats. In the last gamest, it seems that thing are changing, some players make more assist, less ballhog. This is a young team, if they stay together couple years, who knows what they can do.


Haha,
nema bas puno nasi na chatu,
ali ima nas par