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It must just be me because I have not heard anyone else speak of it, but as far as I am concerned. the quality of the photographs of the Grizzlie players is really bad.

 

Having been a photograper for two international corporations, as well as running my own photo business after I retired from those two, I find it hard to believe that the Grizz management can accept such inferior work.

 

Maybe it is intentional, using that style of photography, one that does not lend itself to publication. The rim lighting is not a very good way to photograph especially African Americans. And even the lighter-skinned players show up very badly.

 

From the photos I see, I would not even be able to recognize but two or three of the players if I was to run into them

on the street.

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We suck in passing ball. We suck in rebounding. We suck in shooting 3 pointers. Last but not least now we suck in photography also. God help grizzlies.

 

To be honest it's good to buy tickets and watch lebron james kobi bryant when they play against memphis in our homecourt but i would really consider someone to buy this team and move in another city. Get some more expensive players and specially the coach.

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We suck in passing ball. We suck in rebounding. We suck in shooting 3 pointers. Last but not least now we suck in photography also. God help grizzlies.

 

To be honest it's good to buy tickets and watch lebron james kobi bryant when they play against memphis in our homecourt but i would really consider someone to buy this team and move in another city. Get some more expensive players and specially the coach.

 

 

Don't forget the photographer :rolleyes:

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We suck in passing ball. We suck in rebounding. We suck in shooting 3 pointers. Last but not least now we suck in photography also. God help grizzlies.

 

To be honest it's good to buy tickets and watch lebron james kobi bryant when they play against memphis in our homecourt but i would really consider someone to buy this team and move in another city. Get some more expensive players and specially the coach.

 

 

Another fair weather fan. As in life, most folks only support others when things are going well. When times are tough, they are "out of here". They only want to be around for the good times. This is no defense of the owner or management. Many cities are dying to get the Grizzlies or another pro franchise. This is world class entertainment and there are only NBA 32 teams out there and Memphis currently has one of them. We don't need those kind of fans anyway.

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Another fair weather fan. As in life, most folks only support others when things are going well. When times are tough, they are "out of here". They only want to be around for the good times. This is no defense of the owner or management. Many cities are dying to get the Grizzlies or another pro franchise. This is world class entertainment and there are only NBA 32 teams out there and Memphis currently has one of them. We don't need those kind of fans anyway.

 

Yes i am a big grizzlie fan. if you read my other post i never supported their victory against miami, OKC thunder and etc. Why ? because i knew the real challenege is going to be when they play against playoff teams like hornets, suns, etc. Beat one of these teams and do it consistently and then prove yourself.

 

 

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This is crazy. The photo quality is fine. All the Grizzlies need to do to get better photos is to do something worthy of taking a picture. Against the Bobcats there weren't many opportunities.

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We suck in passing ball. We suck in rebounding. We suck in shooting 3 pointers. Last but not least now we suck in photography also. God help grizzlies.

 

To be honest it's good to buy tickets and watch lebron james kobi bryant when they play against memphis in our homecourt but i would really consider someone to buy this team and move in another city. Get some more expensive players and specially the coach.

are u serious what the hell the team moving going to do this is a young team period. like my man said fair weather fan :angry:

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This is crazy. The photo quality is fine. All the Grizzlies need to do to get better photos is to do something worthy of taking a picture. Against the Bobcats there weren't many opportunities.

 

I beg to differ. The photo quality s-u-c-k-s, big time. It looks as if they shot them in a coal bin with a 40 watt lightbulb.

 

All they have to do to get better pictutes would be to pay my way down there, pay my expenses, and I will get them

b-e-t-t-e-r- pictures, w-a-y better pictures.

 

It's really not that hard.

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I'm assuming that you are talking about the team photos provided by Getty Images, the trademarked and licensed photography agency of the NBA? In short, if you have a problem with the Grizzlies photos, you need to take it up with the NBA, not the team.

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I think the photos are fine. The lighting in the FedExForum sucks period. Everytime I've taken a picture with a player whether it be Tigers or Grizzlies game sucks. Its not the photographer, who I happen to know. He does a great job, and has had his stuff published all over the country, whether it be Rock concerts, NBA games etc... The guy does a hell of a job.

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Lazyberbs is talking about the Getty Images used as their head shots, and I agree.

 

Being a fellow photographer, the lighting being used is a bit amateurish and straight out of 1983. All they needed was some popped collars and a white fedora and the sound of, "dont you.........forget about me......." by the psychedelic furs to complete that particular style of lighting and image.

 

If you don't believe me, go look at someone's yearbook senior pictures from about 1979-1986 to see the exact same style used......and badly at that, since it was ripped off from the fifties, who stole it off from the twenties.

 

The art of portrait photography is about timelessness, not dated or trend images and certainly not gimmick lighting.

 

So much more could have been done to make those images better with a very miniscule amount of effort.

 

I understand what the photographer was going for but, that lighting style doesn't lend itself to that type of cookie cutter headshot type photography, and as Lazyberbs pointed out, especially when the greater majority is of a darker skinned nature. One doesn't use hotter, brighter lights to photograph darker skinned folks, one controls the ratio of lights to each other a little better so the shadow areas don't turn into the aybss while the highlighted areas turn into the sun's surface. I learned that by photographing many african-american brides with their white dresses and needing details in both their face and the dress. Just a little photo101 for anyone interested.

 

 

This has nothing to do with the lighting at the Forum and taking action type shots. That's a whole different ballgame.

(HINT: high speed film or setting, wider angle lens, & -->NO FLASH<--most important!.....or buy wireless system that links into the built-in flash system in the Forum like the actual NBA hired photographers use, like the ones I use for photographing weddings ;) )

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Thanx, Commadoor Sixty-four. You said it better than I.

 

As a photographer-cinematographer for more than 50 years, I have taken my share of photos, of many different styles. And I have always opted for clarity and skin tones, especially when the photos were to be used for publication.

 

You are right especially about trying to get good detail in darker complexioned people and still holding the values in the white or light-colored items in the same pictures. Take film with a tremendous range and lighting with a very short range.

 

Anyway, just saying . . . .

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Interesting stuff... You can get some good free education hanging around these boards:-)

 

It's amazing how you don't realize how little you know about something until someone with some experience just rolls off some probably very basic stuff.

 

Now onto a related Grizzlies topic... where do I need to stand and what equipment and settings should I use to get really good... poster quality... pictures of Marc blocking one of Pau's shots? And, if we're real lucky... maybe Marc will put a little make-up move on Kobe for that cheap shot on Mike a few years ago:-)

 

I'm about to the head to the game... I have high hopes that the team has completely forgot about Friday nights game and ready to roll over all of the Lakers!!! Hope to see every poster there cheering for the Grizzlies and kicking out anybody that cheers for Kobe or Pau (I've already warned my girlfriend that she's getting booted out if she even thinks about cheering for Kobe one time)

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Interesting stuff... You can get some good free education hanging around these boards:-)

 

It's amazing how you don't realize how little you know about something until someone with some experience just rolls off some probably very basic stuff.

 

Now onto a related Grizzlies topic... where do I need to stand and what equipment and settings should I use to get really good... poster quality... pictures of Marc blocking one of Pau's shots? And, if we're real lucky... maybe Marc will put a little make-up move on Kobe for that cheap shot on Mike a few years ago:-)

 

I'm about to the head to the game... I have high hopes that the team has completely forgot about Friday nights game and ready to roll over all of the Lakers!!! Hope to see every poster there cheering for the Grizzlies and kicking out anybody that cheers for Kobe or Pau (I've already warned my girlfriend that she's getting booted out if she even thinks about cheering for Kobe one time)

 

I used to sit on the floor under the baskets. During my years of photographing the University of Dayton basketball team, I was never disappointed in what showed up in the photos that I did not see in person. I have shots of people holding other people's shorts with one hand while going up for the rebound with the other. Elgin Baylor was one of the players who was sly enough to use those tactics and very seldom got caught.

 

That was before the days of being able to hook into the arena flash lights. I don't know how to do that, but it surely sounds as if it would be the total problem solver. Using my own flash, which I was always extremely reluctant to do because I did not want to disturb the shooters, you can stop the action completely but the backgrounds go too dark.

 

By using the house system, you get that same quick flash which freezes action but the lights are regulated to that the background still shows up.

 

Sitting on the floor under the baskets is a little hazardous to health and equipment, but it really is a great angle.

 

Hope you get some great shots of Darko or Marc blocking Pau. Maxybe even the one that wins the game.

 

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Interesting stuff... You can get some good free education hanging around these boards:-)

 

It's amazing how you don't realize how little you know about something until someone with some experience just rolls off some probably very basic stuff.

 

Now onto a related Grizzlies topic... where do I need to stand and what equipment and settings should I use to get really good... poster quality... pictures of Marc blocking one of Pau's shots? And, if we're real lucky... maybe Marc will put a little make-up move on Kobe for that cheap shot on Mike a few years ago:-)

 

I'm about to the head to the game... I have high hopes that the team has completely forgot about Friday nights game and ready to roll over all of the Lakers!!! Hope to see every poster there cheering for the Grizzlies and kicking out anybody that cheers for Kobe or Pau (I've already warned my girlfriend that she's getting booted out if she even thinks about cheering for Kobe one time)

 

 

"poster quality" is the catching point.

 

You can't, unless you're linked into the built-in house flash system of the Forum or where ever you're doing this.

There simply isn't enough light to stop the action you're trying to stop without it becoming too grainy or pixelated to enlarge to a "poster"ish type size.

 

But, with that being said,

 

1. Get as close as you can. The closer the better. (hence, the need for a wider angle lens.)

2. All those flashes you see all around the Forum......you now know( because I'm telling you,....or have experienced it for yourself) all those pictures will not come out, at all. There will be disappointment when that media is looked upon.

3. DON'T USE THE FLASH. Turn it off, if possible. That little flash is only good for about 10 feet. That's all, 10 feet. EVERTHING, beyond that will be dark, there are no exceptions to this, unless someone is extremely lucky and takes a picture at the exact same instant that the house lights fire at or someone close enough to light it for you uses their flash to light it for you, happens. Not impossible,( this has happened to me a few times photographing weddings with my partner and wife, but that's also two professional photographers looking at the same thing,.....for the same thing, through cameras, at the same time.......) but,much different from a random person taking a picture at the same time as the house or other person does.

3(A) If you are within 10 feet, have permission to use a flash, don't mind blinding players with your flash, (which is why its VERY HARD to get permission, to blind players with your flash for your poster quality prints to emerge.....), don't mind being escorted away after using your flash...when told not to....., by all means.....use your flash.

3(B) Use the house system, either by pirated means, which could prove to be a very costly experiment IF you don't know the house brand triggers or channels used, or whatever could be used to jam a signal in some way from being pirated.....this will most likely....fail.so.....

4. Use high speed film, the higher...the better, same applies to "ASA", "ISO", or any digital camera that has the ability to change its "film" settings or low light settings. This qualifies as low light.

5. The wider the lens, ...... the better. Why? Because the more telephoto the lens, the more the object is magnified............also magnified......will be the movement that will happen because the camera HAS to stay open longer to make up for the obvious fact that you aren't using a flash to light the picture. You are relying, basically on light bulbs, to light your image. A tripod would be nice, but cumbersome. Learning to brace the camera, will help, such as....both elbows on a rail with an unobstructed view would be great, just know that being STILL....NO MOVEMENT, is the key to slowing a camera down... :blink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have I killed anyone yet?................... :mellow:

 

 

Well, if anyone has any photo questions....PM me, I'll hook you up, photographically.

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64 is right on. In my previous experiences , using a strobe and high speed film, the results were usually pretty decent. Back in those days, high speed film was

not much more than ASA 400, and the flashes I used were strobes, not the old flash bulbs.

 

The reasoning was that I could shoot right AFTER the player released the ball, and the strobe did not blind them because of its short duration. And shooting just after the release of the ball had no effect on the shooter's eyes. The quickness of the strobe was good also in that the backgrounds did not go as dark as when you plaster the player with a flashbulb, which because of its intensity makes the nearby objects white and with no detail and the backgrounds go totally black.

 

I actually have pictures in which you can read the name on the ball, Voit in those days, while it was in the air on the way to the basket. The short duration of the flash freezes the action. And by using longer shutter speeds with the strobe, it allowed the background to appear more. It resulted at times in a little ghosting, more as you use slower shutter speeds, but this really added in that it implied quick action.

 

Sports photography has been on of my more interesting aspects of the art in that it has many problems and the ability to retake the photo is non-extistent. Each event happens once and there are no redos. You miss it and you missed it.

 

It took me a while when after I retired from the commercial types photos I used to do some of, when I began shooting for the local high school annuals, I would be doing sporting events. It took me a while to stop looking up after an really good play, to look for the instant replay. Not happening.

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are u serious what the hell the team moving going to do this is a young team period. like my man said fair weather fan :angry:

 

Yea keep bringing young team members and keep depending on the lottery and then keep loosing the games and then keep hoping that one day we will make to the playoffs. Give me a break !

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