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So the grizz can offer reke about 4yr 40 million, right?

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8 hours ago, Memphis Maverick said:

I wonder if there is a way to find out what Reke and Macs net rating was on the court together in sac

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612758/lineups-traditional/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular Season&GroupQuantity=2&sort=GROUP_NAME&dir=-1&PerMode=Per100Possessions

2016-17: -18.4 NetRtg on 8 games, 77 minutes total. Definitely not a big enough sample.

 

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1 hour ago, fanboyslim said:

Thanks. Yet you would think there would be as long as they played together. 

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On 11/10/2017 at 4:00 PM, Michael D said:

Lets see how Brooks, Seldon, and Mclemore play out before we worry about resigning Tyreke.  I get it though,  Tyreke has proved that he is still an elite player and he will get the payday that he's playing for this season BUT we don't know how good Mclemore is going to be.  Heck what if him, Brooks, and Seldon make even Tyreke's talents expendable?

There's a logjam now at the wing position anyway.  Let Tyreke play his heart out and our team benefit from the situation.  Wallace is smart for getting Mclemore and Seldon, two guys with things to prove for different reasons and with potential to outperform their previous two seasons.

I'm not worried about keeping Tyreke at all.  I want someone else on the roster to step up and make him expendable.  Let him get paid, he deserves it, especially if we go far in the playoffs.  Tyreke was a great pick up!

I agree with this 100%. 

If he is our best option and we can afford to keep him - then let's deal with that when the time comes.

Hence my initial post - this thread is premature. 

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5 hours ago, SC Grizz said:

I agree with this 100%. 

If he is our best option and we can afford to keep him - then let's deal with that when the time comes.

Hence my initial post - this thread is premature. 

Premature? The Grizzlies have never had a player that I can remember playing this well after being added to the team since Zbo. 

If Tyreke can stay healthy we should be able to get at least 2-3 solid years out of him.

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On 11/10/2017 at 3:00 PM, Michael D said:

Lets see how Brooks, Seldon, and Mclemore play out before we worry about resigning Tyreke.  I get it though,  Tyreke has proved that he is still an elite player and he will get the payday that he's playing for this season BUT we don't know how good Mclemore is going to be.  Heck what if him, Brooks, and Seldon make even Tyreke's talents expendable?

There's a logjam now at the wing position anyway.  Let Tyreke play his heart out and our team benefit from the situation.  Wallace is smart for getting Mclemore and Seldon, two guys with things to prove for different reasons and with potential to outperform their previous two seasons.

I'm not worried about keeping Tyreke at all.  I want someone else on the roster to step up and make him expendable.  Let him get paid, he deserves it, especially if we go far in the playoffs.  Tyreke was a great pick up!

i agree that there's a logjam ate the wing right now. I just don't see McLemore or Selden making him expendable. Tyreke has done what he's doing now in the NBA before, neither Selden nor McLemore have even come close. Brooks has kind of created a problem by playing better than they expected. I am actually fine with this and think that this will play itself out and I see injuries happening and i also think we will just have to go with who is bringing the most energy or has the hottest hand. Out of our swingman, Tyreke and Ennis don't have contracts for next year. It will work itself out but I don't see Selden nor McLemore making Tyreke expendable. I just don't see them scoring at the rate that he does. 

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Bump

We've got about 5-6 weeks left of Rekeing Havoc in Beale Street Blue especially if you agree with the reasoning behind this:

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2018/1/3/16839286/tyreke-evans-is-saving-himself-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors

Doesn't look like some of the estimates presented here like the MLE will now be enough to keep him since he's exceeded all expectations. So what are we gonna do in terms of a deal? What would you think we CAN get done?

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5 hours ago, BigHunkALove said:

Bump

We've got about 5-6 weeks left of Rekeing Havoc in Beale Street Blue especially if you agree with the reasoning behind this:

https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2018/1/3/16839286/tyreke-evans-is-saving-himself-memphis-grizzlies-nba-trade-rumors

Doesn't look like some of the estimates presented here like the MLE will now be enough to keep him since he's exceeded all expectations. So what are we gonna do in terms of a deal? What would you think we CAN get done?

I don't think he will get as much in FA as people think. While at first, I thought he would be traded, now I'm thinking there's no way they can get value in return for Reke's $3.5 mil contract, unless they package him with Parsons or something. point being, I think it would be complicated to trade him. I now fully expect him to play out the rest of the year and I think when Conley comes back (probably later this month but i'm hoping after the all star break), we will see an improved team with Conley and Marc doing what they do and Reke putting up points (and rebounds and assists). I expect them (pending what happens with ownership) to give Reke teh money we save by not resigning Ennis ($3 mil) and Wright( ~$6mil). That would put him around $10 mil per year and i expect some trades/waiving of some of the young guns as well.I fully expect for teh second year in a row Tyreke would be our main FA, although by money McLemore wa sbut he just sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if they move him as well. 

Plus, i don't see teams spending like crazy this offseason like they have the past couple. I expect Reke to top out at about $14 mil per but realistically around $10-$12 mil per. 

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1 hour ago, Notorious O.D.K. said:

I don't think he will get as much in FA as people think. While at first, I thought he would be traded, now I'm thinking there's no way they can get value in return for Reke's $3.5 mil contract, unless they package him with Parsons or something. point being, I think it would be complicated to trade him. I now fully expect him to play out the rest of the year and I think when Conley comes back (probably later this month but i'm hoping after the all star break), we will see an improved team with Conley and Marc doing what they do and Reke putting up points (and rebounds and assists). I expect them (pending what happens with ownership) to give Reke teh money we save by not resigning Ennis ($3 mil) and Wright( ~$6mil). That would put him around $10 mil per year and i expect some trades/waiving of some of the young guns as well.I fully expect for teh second year in a row Tyreke would be our main FA, although by money McLemore wa sbut he just sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if they move him as well. 

Plus, i don't see teams spending like crazy this offseason like they have the past couple. I expect Reke to top out at about $14 mil per but realistically around $10-$12 mil per. 

If we can manage to keep him beyond this season.  I would be ecstatic.   We have no one on the roster that can do what he does.   And we don't have the money or appeal to attract a guy that can do what he does.    Like i have been saying for a while now "when we actually DO strike lightning in a bottle, we need to do everything we can to keep it here".    Tyreke can give you 20ppg, 5ast, 5rbs in his sleep and is only 28yrs old.   If we don't want to drop into the abyss then having Tyreke and Conley around while we develop young talent can get us back to relevancy a lot sooner.      These is now a perimeter players league so having at least one dynamic wing scorer is no longer a luxury but a necessity.     All i want this off-season is to retain Tyreke and get a high lottery pick if that can be done while being able to keep MIke and Marc i am good. 

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If we can get a 1st for Reke, we should do it. 

Someone is going to offer him more than we can with our hamstrung cap situation. Don't be naive to think that Wallace can work some magic and get him to stay. That would require someone else taking on at least one of:

Parsons (never happening, probably the worst contract in the league)

McLemore (why would anyone want him if he can't crack the rotation of this pitiful team?)

JaMychal (our only proven PF on the roster who also isn't worth much on the market)

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Just now, Zappastache said:

If we can get a 1st for Reke, we should do it. 

Someone is going to offer him more than we can with our hamstrung cap situation. Don't be naive to think that Wallace can work some magic and get him to stay. That would require someone else taking on at least one of:

Parsons (never happening, probably the worst contract in the league)

McLemore (why would anyone want him if he can't crack the rotation of this pitiful team?)

JaMychal (our only proven PF on the roster who also isn't worth much on the market)

You know, I didn't think about Marc or Mike being gone as a scenario. Mike isn't gonna get traded because I'm sure nobody else wants that contract on their books, but if there is a way to trade Marc and get back less salary, that may be a way to re-sign Tyreke also. 

Basically we'd have to trade Marc for expirings and picks. Being an NBA GM would be stressful, but a lot of fun :D

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39 minutes ago, Zappastache said:

If we can get a 1st for Reke, we should do it. 

Someone is going to offer him more than we can with our hamstrung cap situation. Don't be naive to think that Wallace can work some magic and get him to stay. That would require someone else taking on at least one of:

Parsons (never happening, probably the worst contract in the league)

McLemore (why would anyone want him if he can't crack the rotation of this pitiful team?)

JaMychal (our only proven PF on the roster who also isn't worth much on the market)

I would trade Ben Mac and JaMyke in a heartbeat in order to resign Tyreke.   @FanboySlim if we don't resign Ennis, Wright and Rio and trade JaM + Ben for expirings this season.  Would we have enough to bring back Tyreke?

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35 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

I would trade Ben Mac and JaMyke in a heartbeat in order to resign Tyreke.   @FanboySlim if we don't resign Ennis, Wright and Rio and trade JaM + Ben for expirings this season.  Would we have enough to bring back Tyreke?

Getting off of those 2 contracts would put us at $89,933,199 in payroll for 2018-2019 (per Basketball Reference). Cap is projected to be $101M. We could offer $10M next year it looks like, or maybe more because we have his bird rights or something. Not sure what signing him this year grants us as far as advantages in his next contract. 

That's probably not enough, is my guess. 

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1 minute ago, Zappastache said:

Getting off of those 2 contracts would put us at $89,933,199 in payroll for 2018-2019 (per Basketball Reference). Cap is projected to be $101M. We could offer $10M next year it looks like, or maybe more because we have his bird rights or something. Not sure what signing him this year grants us as far as advantages in his next contract. 

That's probably not enough, is my guess. 

Yea that's not a whole lot and we don't have his bird rights.   We would need to come off one of the big contracts (Marc or Parsons) for a realistic shot to retain him.  

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If I was the Grizzlies I would go to Gasol and ask him, do you think you have a chance to win a championship with us or would you rather go somewhere else and try to get 1, make it very explicit that it would be his decision as it doesn't look like the Grizz are going to be able to contend this year. if he would rather end his career in Memphis or go somewhere else. 

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2 hours ago, Zappastache said:

JaMychal (our only proven PF on the roster who also isn't worth much on the market)

To look at it another way, which team would swap their PF for JaM, assuming salaries could be magicked ?

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1 hour ago, Zappastache said:

Getting off of those 2 contracts would put us at $89,933,199 in payroll for 2018-2019 (per Basketball Reference). Cap is projected to be $101M. We could offer $10M next year it looks like, or maybe more because we have his bird rights or something. Not sure what signing him this year grants us as far as advantages in his next contract. 

That's probably not enough, is my guess. 

It'd be less cap space than that. That amount are just the contracts we have. There is a cap hold for every open roster spot up to the minimum. Plus there will be a cap hold for our draft pick, which will almost certainly be north of $3 million. So unless you move Mike, Marc, or Chandler for cap space, the most we can offer Tyreke will be the MLE. Unless he injures himself again, he will get more than the MLE. 

Knowing you can't resign him and that we won't make the playoffs, every day we wait to trade him is a day he could get injured again. Wallace needs to be on the phone finding out what are the best packages we can get for him and pull the trigger. 

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I agree that we won't get as much for Tyreke as some were hoping for.

The best I can see is a deal with HOU

Tyreke + JaM for Ariza + Black

They get Reke and a better backup PF

We turn Green's salary into an expiring which will give us about 19mil in expirings

Then use some of that money to go after Julius Randle in FA (maybe 20/2)

We could try to push for a 1st as well since HOU are getting a better deal here than us, and then use that late rnd 1st, maybe offer it to the Lakers for Clarkson?

I can't see anything else, no one is gonna take Parsons, McLemore, we don't wanna use any expirings (Ennis, Wright, Rio) and Marc, if a deal is on should be a separate deal.

I don't think $10mil per year for Reke is gonna get it done

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Best case scenario would be the full MLE for two years with a player option in the 2nd year. That way even with a high lottery pick we'd still be under the projected tax line and we wouldn't have to move Gasol/Jam/Parsons. Thing is would Tyreke be cool with whatever the MLE would be, 8-10 mill. I doubt it but here's hoping.

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I think we could get Clarkson, for Tyreke and another expiring (Wright fits salary-wise). 

Lakers want the flexibility for next year, and I like Clarkson. But Clarkson is under contract for 2 more years after this season so would be a somewhat long-term commitment to him. I guess he'd be a trade chip as an expiring in that last year anyway though. 

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19 minutes ago, Zappastache said:

I think we could get Clarkson, for Tyreke and another expiring (Wright fits salary-wise). 

Lakers want the flexibility for next year, and I like Clarkson. But Clarkson is under contract for 2 more years after this season so would be a somewhat long-term commitment to him. I guess he'd be a trade chip as an expiring in that last year anyway though. 

The Lakers said they are not in a rush to make a deal for Clarkson and are happy to wait until draft day. That is too late for us. Obviously they are concerned about losing the protected pick they owe to Boston

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