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5 hours ago, Memphis Maverick said:

Selden can play. He’s better than Mac. Definitely a better option at starting two guard than Harrison. 

 

I just don't understand how you are so high on Wayne Selden.  Don't get me wrong, I like Wayne and, of course, I hope he performs very well for us, but Selden has only played, including playoffs, 20 NBA games.  His stat line for those games looks like this:

17.1 mpg/4.7ppg/.404fg%/.230%3pt/.653ft%/1.25rpg/1apg/0.35stl/0.1blk/0.7to

That line doesn't scream "really good player" to me.  Like I said though,  I want him to do well.

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15 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

I just don't understand how you are so high on Wayne Selden.  Don't get me wrong, I like Wayne and, of course, I hope he performs very well for us, but Selden has only played, including playoffs, 20 NBA games.  His stat line for those games looks like this:

17.1 mpg/4.7ppg/.404fg%/.230%3pt/.653ft%/1.25rpg/1apg/0.35stl/0.1blk/0.7to

That line doesn't scream "really good player" to me.  Like I said though,  I want him to do well.

Generally, I have to agree. He is unproven and a mystery.

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7 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

I just don't understand how you are so high on Wayne Selden.  Don't get me wrong, I like Wayne and, of course, I hope he performs very well for us, but Selden has only played, including playoffs, 20 NBA games.  His stat line for those games looks like this:

17.1 mpg/4.7ppg/.404fg%/.230%3pt/.653ft%/1.25rpg/1apg/0.35stl/0.1blk/0.7to

That line doesn't scream "really good player" to me.  Like I said though,  I want him to do well.

Stat lines aren’t telling the whole story with him. Like I’ve said before, there is a reason they signed him to a two year deal after the season was over. 

Remember, I’m not saying that he is a star. But he will be a really good role player for us. 

Wayne Selden was putting up numbers in summer league close to that of Dennis Smith Jr, Kyle Kumza. 

He is far from what his stats show. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Generally, I have to agree. He is unproven and a mystery.

Do you like Dennis Smith jr? Kyle kumza? Both of them were unproven. Through 6 games in the summer league Wayne was tearing it up with them. 

Im not saying he will be on their level. But watching him play people should see the potential he has. 

Lile I’ve told you before I️ don’t put much stock into players. But I’m willing to say he will be a steal.

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Just now, Memphis Maverick said:

Stat lines aren’t telling the whole story with him. Like I’ve said before, there is a reason they signed him to a two year deal after the season was over. 

Remember, I’m not saying that he is a star. But he will be a really good role player for us. 

Wayne Selden was putting up numbers in summer league close to that of Dennis Smith Jr, Kyle Kumza. 

He is far from what his stats show. 

 

Summer League is like playing at the Y compared to real NBA games.  Doesn't mean too much.  I hope you're right though.  We do need some more help at SG.

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Just now, smit-tay griz said:

Summer League is like playing at the Y compared to real NBA games.  Doesn't mean too much.  I hope you're right though.  We do need some more help at SG.

All I’m saying is that you can’t use stats this early on the game on him. But if you watch him play, he’s on another level than just scrub talent. 

For comparison, 

Dennis Smith Jr averaged 17ppg 4.8rb 4.2ast and 2.20 steals 45.7% from the field

kyle kumza averaged 21.9ppg 6.4rb 2.7 ast 1.10 steals 51% from the field 

Wahne Seldon avg 22.7ppg 3.8rb 3.0 ast 1.70 steals on 45.4% from the field. And that’s with him trying to play hero ball the last couple of games. 

 

 

 

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Just now, Memphis Maverick said:

All I’m saying is that you can’t use stats this early on the game on him. But if you watch him play, he’s on another level than just scrub talent. 

For comparison, 

Dennis Smith Jr averaged 17ppg 4.8rb 4.2ast and 2.20 steals 45.7% from the field

kyle kumza averaged 21.9ppg 6.4rb 2.7 ast 1.10 steals 51% from the field 

Wahne Seldon avg 22.7ppg 3.8rb 3.0 ast 1.70 steals on 45.4% from the field. And that’s with him trying to play hero ball the last couple of games. 

 

 

 

I think Josh Selby did better than that, and we know how that went in the big dance.

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2 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

I think Josh Selby did better than that, and we know how that went in the big dance.

Josh Selby was an undersized guard that was never going to make it. The only reason Wayne didn’t get drafted was because of his injury. 

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2 minutes ago, smit-tay griz said:

Just explaining why I'm a skeptic.  I'll wait to see it first.  I hope he exceeds expectations.

Well here’s something many people forget. He only played 5 games, 3 of which they lost. Only two teams they played have nba players on their roster as of right now from then. 

Thats a lot different than now. 

 

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At the very least Selden will provided some much need it defense at the 2...brooks has done an excellent (his playimg 35 plus a night ) job but he is the only player in the rooster that can guard a 2 (combo guards) ..

 

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12 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

Just explaining why I'm a skeptic.  I'll wait to see it first.  I hope he exceeds expectations.

Only players left in the league from that summer league all pretty much belong to he same team. Bismack Biyombo, Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd Gilchirst.

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15 hours ago, Memphis Maverick said:

Stat lines aren’t telling the whole story with him. Like I’ve said before, there is a reason they signed him to a two year deal after the season was over. 

Remember, I’m not saying that he is a star. But he will be a really good role player for us. 

Wayne Selden was putting up numbers in summer league close to that of Dennis Smith Jr, Kyle Kumza. 

He is far from what his stats show. 

 

We also signed Brian Cardinal to a 6-year MLE contract back then.

There was a reason why the FO did that, but yeah it wasn't necessarily a good reason. :lol:

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26 minutes ago, Iron Mike said:

We also signed Brian Cardinal to a 6-year MLE contract back then.

There was a reason why the FO did that, but yeah it wasn't necessarily a good reason. :lol:

Brianncardinals game left with his hairline. That was a bad signing and a completely different front office. 🙄. 

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18 hours ago, Memphis Maverick said:

Brianncardinals game left with his hairline. That was a bad signing and a completely different front office. 🙄. 

Well, point is there was a reason why they signed him. lol

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2 hours ago, Iron Mike said:

Well, point is there was a reason why they signed him. lol

It’s a bad comparison just like selby 🤷🏼‍♂️

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The starting job is Dillon Brooks' to lose.  The starters need extra scoring, play making, and hustle with some solid, scrappy defense. Well, that's Brooks. He's not afraid to rebound either.  

The 2nd unit could use some athleticism and wing defense so Selden might be a better fit, too. Then Selden is scoring against backups... 

So then we have Chalmers, Tyreke, Selden, Parsons, and Wright on the second team. Looks good to me. Although I still want a younger, speedier option at point guard which is why I want to give Kobi a shot.  Evans can dribble and handle the ball for the 2nd team and Parsons can make some plays, too.  So if we tweak the 2nd unit then I can see Kobi at the 1.  

When Parsons has the night off I would like to get a look at Rabb with the 2nd unit as an extra rebounder next to Wright.  Although that spot probably goes to J Mart once Green gets back. So Chalmers/Kobi, Tyreke, Selden, J Mart, and Wright gives us our second shift. Harrison gets some minutes if Chalmers looks gassed.  McLemore comes along slowly and appears to be headed towards bit player 3 point specialist minutes a la Troy Daniels.  If Benny Mac just becomes a better version of Troy Daniels then that could be a win for us.  

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5 hours ago, ALT GRIND said:

The starting job is Dillon Brooks' to lose.  The starters need extra scoring, play making, and hustle with some solid, scrappy defense. Well, that's Brooks. He's not afraid to rebound either.  

The 2nd unit could use some athleticism and wing defense so Selden might be a better fit, too. Then Selden is scoring against backups... 

So then we have Chalmers, Tyreke, Selden, Parsons, and Wright on the second team. Looks good to me. Although I still want a younger, speedier option at point guard which is why I want to give Kobi a shot.  Evans can dribble and handle the ball for the 2nd team and Parsons can make some plays, too.  So if we tweak the 2nd unit then I can see Kobi at the 1.  

When Parsons has the night off I would like to get a look at Rabb with the 2nd unit as an extra rebounder next to Wright.  Although that spot probably goes to J Mart once Green gets back. So Chalmers/Kobi, Tyreke, Selden, J Mart, and Wright gives us our second shift. Harrison gets some minutes if Chalmers looks gassed.  McLemore comes along slowly and appears to be headed towards bit player 3 point specialist minutes a la Troy Daniels.  If Benny Mac just becomes a better version of Troy Daniels then that could be a win for us.  

If Parsons and Tyreke mainly handle the ball for the 2nd unit why would they need a speedier PG? I think the PG should be a guy who can catch and shoot

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Having Cardinals contract for that long was brutal. The only good thing about Parson contract is we on on the hook for it in 2018-19 but it becomes a trade asset the final year

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New problem with starting unit is Mike is sucking.   I think he needs to sit out for a week or two to heal up.   The way he is playing now is hurting the team.   

How about we just start Reke at PG?   

Reke/Rio

Ben/Wayne

Ennis/Brooks

JaM/Parsons

Gasol/Wright

 

That gives us a HUGE starting lineup that is super switchable.     The starting lineup also has plenty of floor spacers which opens up even more driving lanes for Reke.     Plus it has a bunch of low usage guys that won't be upset when Reke doesn't pass them the ball.  LOL

Second Unit now allows Parsons and Rio to be more ball dominant which gives it a better balance. 

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2 hours ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

New problem with starting unit is Mike is sucking.   I think he needs to sit out for a week or two to heal up.   The way he is playing now is hurting the team.   

How about we just start Reke at PG?   

Reke/Rio

Ben/Wayne

Ennis/Brooks

JaM/Parsons

Gasol/Wright

 

That gives us a HUGE starting lineup that is super switchable.     The starting lineup also has plenty of floor spacers which opens up even more driving lanes for Reke.     Plus it has a bunch of low usage guys that won't be upset when Reke doesn't pass them the ball.  LOL

Second Unit now allows Parsons and Rio to be more ball dominant which gives it a better balance. 

I agree with all of this

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Yes, Mike and Marc should receive most of the blame, but this offense sucks. There's no structure or cohesion. No players moving w/o the ball. And too many mediocre guys are touching the ball way too much. Just like last year, we have about 3 or 4 different offenses going on.

1)Mike and Marc two-man game where the other three watches.

2)Marc's post-up where he holds the ball for 10 seconds

3)A player asks for a pick because he thinks he can go 1-on-1, only to force a bad shot. Everyone on the squad is guilty of this.

4)Of course, the Tyreke Evans Show,where the whole team tunes in to watch him dribble the air out of the ball.

The "mike off the ball" crap has resulted in a career low in assists, and little to no shots coming off screens, which was supposedly the main reason for him playing off ball to begin with.

Fizz's "free flowing" offense is nothing more than freestyling/pickup game ball.

 

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