Kevin B Moses

The grizzlies have 2 problems with the starting unit

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One will hopefully be solved when Jam comes back: rebounding. Second is a 3rd scorer behind Mike and Marc.

At this point, replacing ennis with parsons COULD SOLVE IT. You could also replace brooks/harrison with tyreke. The problem with putting tyreke in the starting lineup is that chalmers is our lowest quality rotation player, along with harrison. Having tyreke on the bench helps mask what a terrible backup point guard situation we have right now, since he is so ball dominant.

I like the idea of brooks starting over ben mac only because he is a guy that doesnt solely focus on scoring and he seems to have a really intelligent bbiq, like harrison, but can shoot. So he offers the best of harrison without harrisons downfall.

Also, I believe that the, "mike needs a ball handler/ playmaker next to him" is actually not that important anymore and may be hurting mike more than helping him.

Getting ennis out of the starting lineup, to me, is the move but who you replace him with. I just hope that ben mac does not take brooks spot and then we still keep ennis in there, hoping to protect parsons.

 

 

 

 

 

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Ennis is our best wing defender.  I like Brooks' energy and nose for scoring.  Dillon plays more like a 3 though.  Better in the middle of the lane, or slashing, or posting up.  I would let Ennis spot up for 3's and let Dillon Brooks play his in-between game.  We DO have a rebounder (supposedly) on the roster in Ivan Rabb.  Let's see what he can do as a starting 4.  Mario Chalmers has demoted himself to 3rd string point guard, but Fizzdale apparently hasn't gotten the memo yet.  

Those are my starters.  If you want Parsons in there earlier, and with the starters then make in the 6th man.  He could actually substitute for any player in that starting unit not named Mike Conley, Jr.  

Second unit: Kobi "Bobblehead Night Against the Lakers" Simmons, Tyreke Evans, and Andrew Harrison aka 3 ball handlers and a cloud of dust on the perimeter with J Mart and Brandan Wright inside.  

Mario Chalmers is our new 12th man.

When Green gets back he takes Rabb's role.  When Selden or McLemore gets back then he competes with Andrew Harrison for that backup wing spot.  13th man spot then goes to either Harrison, Selden/McLemore, or Rabb/Davis.  I can see either Chalmers or Harrison, perhaps both, being completely out of the rotation soon.  If Harrison can hit a jumper before Mario can then I don't see Mr. Mario getting many more minutes...

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Brooks is not enough of a scoring threat, neither is jam or ennis. Also, i would argue that parsons has been a better defender than ennis.

In short, i dont agree with your assessment. The grizzlies need a 3rd scoring option in the starting lineup.

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The 3rd scoring option NEEDS to be Parsons and Fizdale needs to start running plays for him specifically.

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1 minute ago, Michael D said:

The 3rd scoring option NEEDS to be Parsons and Fizdale needs to start running plays for him specifically.

3rd scoring option for team is Tyreke.  Parsons should be our backup Point-forward.   Wayne or Ben can handle the 3rd scorer for starting unit when they are healthy. 

You don't start a guy that's on a minutes restriction. 

Problem with starting unit is JMart is still having to start. 

 

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6 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

3rd scoring option for team is Tyreke.  Parsons should be our backup Point-forward.   Wayne or Ben can handle the 3rd scorer for starting unit when they are healthy. 

You don't start a guy that's on a minutes restriction. 

Problem with starting unit is JMart is still having to start. 

 

If i didnt know any better i would assume that you dont want anything, including parsons, to come between tyreke and his floor time.

What are you afraid of, that coach fizz will prefer parsons over tyreke at the end of games?

Its clear that parsons is far better than ennis by a mile.

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3 minutes ago, Kevin B Moses said:

If i didnt know any better i would assume that you dont want anything, including parsons, to come between tyreke and his floor time.

What are you afraid of, that coach fizz will prefer parsons over tyreke at the end of games?

Its clear that parsons is far better than ennis by a mile.

Parsons and Reke can play together.   I have no fear.   Yes a healthy Parsons is a better talent than Ennis but Parsons is no longer a SF.   Your argument should be between Parsons and JaMychal.   We have only 2 true SF on the roster: Ennis and Brooks. 

Crunch Time lineup should be Mike+Reke + Parsons + Gasol + whoever else has been effective that game.  I am not sure why you believe i think it needs to be an either or proposition for Reke and Parsons.   Other than your need to relentlessly argue with folks. 

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14 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

Parsons and Reke can play together.   I have no fear.   Yes a healthy Parsons is a better talent than Ennis but Parsons is no longer a SF.   Your argument should be between Parsons and JaMychal.   We have only 2 true SF on the roster: Ennis and Brooks. 

Crunch Time lineup should be Mike+Reke + Parsons + Gasol + whoever else has been effective that game.  I am not sure why you believe i think it needs to be an either or proposition for Reke and Parsons.   Other than your need to relentlessly argue with folks. 

Fiz has already said that parsons would guard the worst of the 2 players between pf/sf.

You cannot take jam out of the starting lineup because of rebounding.

Tyreke is our safety net backup point scorer when chalmers is terrible. 

That leaves you with either replacing brooks with a more prolific scorer, do we have one? Or replacing ennis with parsons.

The other thing is that parsons is better suited for the starters since the bench is more up and down. Parsons is a better half court player than tyreke, also. Which is important. The only downside to parsons right now is that his minute restriction limits his ability to develop chemistry with the starting unit.

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Until the Griz start defending better as a team, offense won't matter.

Have a roster of players who are slower laterally than almost everyone they guard and seem to be out of sync right now in terms of rotation help and going over the screen and/or switching - as Fizdale said - the communication is not there yet - I guess the question is will it get there and will it stay there?

 

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Im going to wait until we get Ben, Selden and Jam back before I get go into  an in depth break down of what our problems are

Conley/Rio

Ben/Selden/Brooks

Ennis/Reke

Jam/Parsons

Gasol/Wright

Thats a good team on paper

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11 minutes ago, Allen said:

Im going to wait until we get Ben, Selden and Jam back before I get go into  an in depth break down of what our problems are

Conley/Rio

Ben/Selden/Brooks

Ennis/Reke

Jam/Parsons

Gasol/Wright

Thats a good team on paper

Jam and ennis are nonscorers. And i dont know why you broke these players down by position, when it is clear that wright sometimes plays power forward, reke is a point guard, conley plays off guard.

You still havent solved the 3rd scorer problem with your lineup, nor have you maximized our players potential, namely brooks, parsons.

But you did make it clear that you regard parsons as a backup throwaway player at pf.

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The problem is that aside from Mike, Marc, and Reke we've got a team of really good 8th men. I like all these guys and they're fun to watch, but you can just tell if they're not bringing it 100% the talent's just not there.

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2 minutes ago, Acehigh718 said:

The problem is that aside from Mike, Marc, and Reke we've got a team of really good 8th men. I like all these guys and they're fun to watch, but you can just tell if they're not bringing it 100% the talent's just not there.

What is an 8th man?

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38 minutes ago, Acehigh718 said:

The problem is that aside from Mike, Marc, and Reke we've got a team of really good 8th men. I like all these guys and they're fun to watch, but you can just tell if they're not bringing it 100% the talent's just not there.

I think they need Parsons to step up.  Or get him more involved. And in terms of role players, I think they need a specialist. Or two. A role guy that is great at something that you can count on everynight such as shooting, rebounding, defensive energy, etc. Brooks, Ennis, Jam are jack of all trades role guys who are good in a few areas, but really cant be consistently counted on for anything, imo

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6 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

One will hopefully be solved when Jam comes back: rebounding. Second is a 3rd scorer behind Mike and Marc.

At this point, replacing ennis with parsons COULD SOLVE IT. You could also replace brooks/harrison with tyreke. The problem with putting tyreke in the starting lineup is that chalmers is our lowest quality rotation player, along with harrison. Having tyreke on the bench helps mask what a terrible backup point guard situation we have right now, since he is so ball dominant.

I like the idea of brooks starting over ben mac only because he is a guy that doesnt solely focus on scoring and he seems to have a really intelligent bbiq, like harrison, but can shoot. So he offers the best of harrison without harrisons downfall.

Also, I believe that the, "mike needs a ball handler/ playmaker next to him" is actually not that important anymore and may be hurting mike more than helping him.

Getting ennis out of the starting lineup, to me, is the move but who you replace him with. I just hope that ben mac does not take brooks spot and then we still keep ennis in there, hoping to protect parsons.

 

 

 

 

 

If I remember correctly I believe I started a thread about needing some consistency outside of Marc and Mike, some on here didn't take to it too well. If Reke can consistently put up the numbers he has been putting up then maybe we have found our 3rd option. 

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Parsons needs to be healthy and back in the starting lineup (and off min. restriction).  Fizz also needs to stop playing Marc and Brandon Wright together. 

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18 minutes ago, Michael D said:

Parsons needs to be healthy and back in the starting lineup (and off min. restriction).  Fizz also needs to stop playing Marc and Brandon Wright together. 

He will when jam gets back.

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1 hour ago, Memphis Maverick said:

Selden and Brooks can be those guys. I don’t know about Mac. 

 

Not sold on Selden or McLemore just yet.

Intrigued by the prospect/potential of both players though.

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1 hour ago, Grizz&Grind said:

Not sold on Selden or McLemore just yet.

Intrigued by the prospect/potential of both players though.

Selden can play. He’s better than Mac. Definitely a better option at starting two guard than Harrison. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Memphis Maverick said:

Selden can play. He’s better than Mac. Definitely a better option at starting two guard than Harrison. 

 

Well I don't disagree with that, just not sure any of the 3 are the answer - and pretty sure AH isn't.

I'd probably go Conley, Tyreke, Parsons/Ennis/Brooks, Green and Gasol if I was choosing a starting 5.

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2 hours ago, Grizz&Grind said:

Not sold on Selden or McLemore just yet.

Intrigued by the prospect/potential of both players though.

Agreed.

I liked Selden's play in the playoffs but still not convinced he can knock down shots at a good clip.

Liked BenMac watching him @ SAC when he got game time, but he is not a volume shooter, take-over-the-game type of guy and his injury will certainly affect his development with the Grizzlies and the play book. May take a while

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Another angle: 

(1) You can never expect to have all your players available

(2) Most players bigger than PGs have to be able to play two or more positions, at least in one direction but ideally in both. 

I think the FO and Fiz are completely bought into this, and they also realize that you can't overload the starting unit. Our bench is why we've been winning. But as soon as one player can't go, or is on a minutes restriction (or goes stone cold), well, that's why the coaches get the big dollars.

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On 11/6/2017 at 5:46 PM, Kevin B Moses said:

Jam and ennis are nonscorers. And i dont know why you broke these players down by position, when it is clear that wright sometimes plays power forward, reke is a point guard, conley plays off guard.

You still havent solved the 3rd scorer problem with your lineup, nor have you maximized our players potential, namely brooks, parsons.

But you did make it clear that you regard parsons as a backup throwaway player at pf.

Neither are scorers but I wouldnt consider either of them "non scorers" They both can make a open shot and created their own offense when they have to. The starting offense will be fine with the floor spacing and shooting.

 

Plus a teams starters only play together for a certain amount of time. It's usually a mixture of starters and bench

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