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I have to give Wallace his props..this team really has few flaw besides injury concerns

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lol, it's so much better this way

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lol, it's so much better this way

Pretty funny

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The dog-days of August are passed. Must be getting close to the start of the new season LOL

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On 9/11/2017 at 1:52 PM, Kevin B Moses said:

Most of y'all wanted Parsons. None of y'all wanted conley at his price. Conley made y'all look stupid and now y'all want to witch hunt Wallace for the Parsons deal.

I'm consistent with my opinion of Conley: Even with last year's improved play, he isn't worth that much money. However, it was pay it or possibly lose him. I was OK with them paying it. You constantly act like people hate Conley. I don't know of anyone who thinks Conley is a bad player. Plenty don't believe he is worth 30m a year; that doesn't mean they don't like Conley as a player.

I honestly can't recall my opinion of the Parsons signing at the time it happened. Been so jaded for so long about it that the beginning is fuzzy. I imagine I was for it because I think a healthy Parsons would have been a solid signing. However, that doesn't mean I shouldn't criticize Wallace for it. We weren't the ones looking at the medical reports. He had access to them. At some point the front office needs to make better decisions regarding players injury histories. If that means replace the medical staff, so be it. In the end, it keeps happening on Wallace's watch, which means the blame falls on him. 

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I agree.  I still think mike conley is overpaid for his level of talent, but then again, i think the newer contracts and the rumors of future contracts is just crazy numbers.    A nba player making $50-80 million per year?  That's most of a current team payroll.  

Back to mike, i'm still happy for him because he was underpaid for a few years there, and i know mike gives it his all and i respect that.  I admit he did step up his game last year.  On the flip side, he will be 30 before the season starts and will be 34 if he decides to play his last contract year in memphis.   

 

 

 

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As far as the direction of the grizz, i have no idea what they are doing.   I know i don't trust the franchise will stay in memphis.  Also, i don't trust the big 3 contracts can get the grizz in the playoffs this upcoming year.

 

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The Grizz had to go all in on Parsons.  They swung big and so far have missed.  It sucks but they either shoot for it or keep trying to eek on with the Grit n Grind team which was aging.  Obviously bringing in Fizdale meant they were committed to moving on.

 

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On 9/14/2017 at 2:15 PM, Michael D said:

The Grizz had to go all in on Parsons.  They swung big and so far have missed.  It sucks but they either shoot for it or keep trying to eek on with the Grit n Grind team which was aging.  Obviously bringing in Fizdale meant they were committed to moving on.

 

For the last time, no, they did not. They were not forced to sign Parsons. 

They could have shot for it this off season with more cap space and a much better (deeper) pool of players to choose from. As a matter of fact, they could have gotten two this year if they played it right.

Anyone who thinks Parsons was a must sign is delusional. 

I hope ole he gives us some semblance of his former self but I doubt that happens.

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No weaknesses? Does the team have a defensive stopper? Does it have anyone who can grab more at least 8 rebounds a game over the course of a season? Does it have a reliable back up PG, starting SG or starting PF right now? 

I don't see a complete team yet. There are players who may be able to fill some of those jobs but to fill all the holes would be extremely lucky. 

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9 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

No weaknesses? Does the team have a defensive stopper? Does it have anyone who can grab more at least 8 rebounds a game over the course of a season? Does it have a reliable back up PG, starting SG or starting PF right now? 

I don't see a complete team yet. There are players who may be able to fill some of those jobs but to fill all the holes would be extremely lucky. 

there has never been a team in any sports history that had NO weaknesses...I guess you are feeling some type of way since TA signed some where else...you don't need a defensive stopper if you play great team defense in which we do...ta was elite at one-on-one defense but was terrible at team defense with all the gambling he did...as for as backup pg we have Harrison and reke and wildcard chalmers...sg is not a prob either since ever one on this board seems to have forgot about ennis and if jam doesn't sign there could be a problem at pf but they prob would start wright/parsons at the 4...but I do agree with you on the rebounding situation.

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14 minutes ago, guillermo said:

we have no weaknesses unless we need to grab a rebound or score points in bunches

other than that we aren't bad

rebounding is more than likely going to be a problem...but I'm not with you on the scoring we have a few guys that can put up points

these guys could go for thirty on any given night:

conely

gasol

parson-if he is healthy

reke

daniels

mclemore

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36 minutes ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

rebounding is more than likely going to be a problem...but I'm not with you on the scoring we have a few guys that can put up points

these guys could go for thirty on any given night:

conely

gasol

parson-if he is healthy

reke

daniels

mclemore

It is pretty lofty to assume Ben mac can go for 30 a night, when he his never scored 30 once in his professional career. Daniels might not even see the court and to expect any kind of consistent offense from him is just not seeing who he is, a spot player, and specialist. A more realistic goal for him is to hit 1 three a night.

even marc himself would have a hard time doing it more than say 5 times a season. Tyreke is going to have more single digit offensive games than double digit games.

The two guys that have a chance are conley(very likely) and parsons(somewhat likely.)

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1 hour ago, Kevin B Moses said:

It is pretty lofty to assume Ben mac can go for 30 a night, when he his never scored 30 once in his professional career. Daniels might not even see the court and to expect any kind of consistent offense from him is just not seeing who he is, a spot player, and specialist. A more realistic goal for him is to hit 1 three a night.

even marc himself would have a hard time doing it more than say 5 times a season. Tyreke is going to have more single digit offensive games than double digit games.

The two guys that have a chance are conley(very likely) and parsons(somewhat likely.)

agreed man I hope Parsons comes back healthy

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2 hours ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

there has never been a team in any sports history that had NO weaknesses...I guess you are feeling some type of way since TA signed some where else...you don't need a defensive stopper if you play great team defense in which we do...ta was elite at one-on-one defense but was terrible at team defense with all the gambling he did...as for as backup pg we have Harrison and reke and wildcard chalmers...sg is not a prob either since ever one on this board seems to have forgot about ennis and if jam doesn't sign there could be a problem at pf but they prob would start wright/parsons at the 4...but I do agree with you on the rebounding situation.

I don't understand how we qualify as "great team defense" when we were 9th in the league last season and lost 4 major contributors (4 of our top 6 mpg players), including our best defender and 3 of our top 4 defensive rebounders.  Is there any evidence that TA hurt us with his "gambling" on defense or are you just parroting the TA haters?

Really I think this will be a transitional season.  It could be bad, or we might be able to (barely) eke out another playoff appearance.  But I anticipate some personnel changes before the season ends.

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7 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

It is pretty lofty to assume Ben mac can go for 30 a night, when he his never scored 30 once in his professional career. Daniels might not even see the court and to expect any kind of consistent offense from him is just not seeing who he is, a spot player, and specialist. A more realistic goal for him is to hit 1 three a night.

even marc himself would have a hard time doing it more than say 5 times a season. Tyreke is going to have more single digit offensive games than double digit games.

The two guys that have a chance are conley(very likely) and parsons(somewhat likely.)

I didn't say every night...I not saying any of those guys could average 30ppg...but imo they are capable of going for 30 if the defense sleeps on them.

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5 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

I don't understand how we qualify as "great team defense" when we were 9th in the league last season and lost 4 major contributors (4 of our top 6 mpg players), including our best defender and 3 of our top 4 defensive rebounders.  Is there any evidence that TA hurt us with his "gambling" on defense or are you just parroting the TA haters?

Really I think this will be a transitional season.  It could be bad, or we might be able to (barely) eke out another playoff appearance.  But I anticipate some personnel changes before the season ends.

we were top ten in:

Opponent FG%

Def EFF

Oppenent PPG in the paint (best in the league)

there is a few vids on youtube showing how TA gambling most of the time end up with a team having to getting out of positions to cover him....heck even gasol and conley brought it up I an interview once...like I said he is an elite defender one-on-one and dening the ball but he is terrible at team defense.

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7 hours ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

we were top ten in:

Opponent FG%

Def EFF

Oppenent PPG in the paint (best in the league)

there is a few vids on youtube showing how TA gambling most of the time end up with a team having to getting out of positions to cover him....heck even gasol and conley brought it up I an interview once...like I said he is an elite defender one-on-one and dening the ball but he is terrible at team defense.

I won't deny that TA took some chances, but gambling a bit is a far cry from being "terrible" at team defense.  You don't become a regular on the NBA All Defensive Team by being "terrible" on defense.  Being 9th in team defense is not "great", just upper half.  You still don't explain how we're supposed to sustain that D when we are losing 4 major contributors and replacing them with unknowns.

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10 hours ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

we were top ten in:

Opponent FG%

Def EFF

Oppenent PPG in the paint (best in the league)

there is a few vids on youtube showing how TA gambling most of the time end up with a team having to getting out of positions to cover him....heck even gasol and conley brought it up I an interview once...like I said he is an elite defender one-on-one and dening the ball but he is terrible at team defense.

I know you think the grizzlies will be better without ta. And I'm happy for you. 

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5 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

I won't deny that TA took some chances, but gambling a bit is a far cry from being "terrible" at team defense.  You don't become a regular on the NBA All Defensive Team by being "terrible" on defense.  Being 9th in team defense is not "great", just upper half.  You still don't explain how we're supposed to sustain that D when we are losing 4 major contributors and replacing them with unknowns.

Effects on future team defense due to losing 3 mature, ah, I mean major, contributors:

TA - neutral, because of gambling and injury

Zbo - team D improves

Carter - team D improves

who is 4? (Green will be on  the team)

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10 hours ago, smit-tay griz said:

I won't deny that TA took some chances, but gambling a bit is a far cry from being "terrible" at team defense.  You don't become a regular on the NBA All Defensive Team by being "terrible" on defense.  Being 9th in team defense is not "great", just upper half.  You still don't explain how we're supposed to sustain that D when we are losing 4 major contributors and replacing them with unknowns.

If we don't get jam back it may be a problem because he was the only big on the team that is above average at guarding the perimeter which makes him great at switching things...I sorry but I not concearned with replacing the defensive power of z-bo/carter...and like all TA things his greatness usually is cancelled out by his stupidity (ex. great steal...then fastbreak...then blown layup)(ex.great offensive rebound,,,,then stupid attempt at a putback while being guarded by 3ppl)(ex.great on ball defense/denial of the ball...then eractic gamble leading to blown coverages.) also TA had turned into a terrible FreeThrow shooter (61% last season)...not a TA hater be his elite one-on-one defense doesn't make up for other flaws anymore

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7 hours ago, Kevin B Moses said:

I know you think the grizzlies will be better without ta. And I'm happy for you. 

I just think the team will be better period...no knock on TA...but are we going to argue that TA is an outdated type of player in todays NBA.

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8 hours ago, tangogriz said:

Effects on future team defense due to losing 3 mature, ah, I mean major, contributors:

TA - neutral, because of gambling and injury

Zbo - team D improves

Carter - team D improves

who is 4? (Green will be on  the team)

Green isn't on the team right now and we already have too many contracts, and it looks like they're going to sign Rabb who plays the same position.

Vince may not have the lateral quickness to be as effective as a one-on-one defender as he once was, but knows how to play defense and he knows how to position himself, something I am not as confident in the young guys being able to do.

Zbo may have been a liability in the pick 'n' roll but he was the best defensive rebounder on the team.  You do realize that getting the defensive board (or turnover) is the ultimate end of a defensive stand, don't you?  If Green doesn't come back we may be hurting (maybe so anyway) because Randolph, Green, and Tony Allen were our 1st, 3rd, and 4th best defensive rebounders.  Even if we have some luck defensively and make our opponents take two or three shots to score every other possession they still end up scoring on their possession if we don't secure the rebound and we will lose.  I really hope we have someone who can step up, because if we don't...

2 hours ago, PutARingOnIt#GrizzFan said:

If we don't get jam back it may be a problem because he was the only big on the team that is above average at guarding the perimeter which makes him great at switching things...I sorry but I not concearned with replacing the defensive power of z-bo/carter...and like all TA things his greatness usually is cancelled out by his stupidity (ex. great steal...then fastbreak...then blown layup)(ex.great offensive rebound,,,,then stupid attempt at a putback while being guarded by 3ppl)(ex.great on ball defense/denial of the ball...then eractic gamble leading to blown coverages.) also TA had turned into a terrible FreeThrow shooter (61% last season)...not a TA hater be his elite one-on-one defense doesn't make up for other flaws anymore

I think that both of you greatly exaggerate Tony Allen's shortcomings and minimize his contributions.  The coming season will tell, and I could be wrong, but the only way I see us winning much is if we can play defense, because we quite frankly don't have enough firepower to compete on the offensive end.  JMO

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