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Best Guess Opening Day Roster

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1. Conley

2. Parsons

3. Gasol

4. Davis

5. Jam

6. Evans

7. Mclemore

8. Seldon

9. Brooks

10. Rade

11. Harrison

12. Wright

13. Chalmers

14. Ennis

15. Baldwin

 

2-way contracts

16. Rabb

17. Simmons

 

Makes the most sense to me. Cut Martin because it's doubtful you want to give him a contract next year. Chalmers gives you ballhandling and shooting + better defense than Daniels (assuming Chalmers healthy). Front office won't get rid of Baldwin this soon.

 

I don't subscribe that we need another big. You have 2 centers on roster + several players you could use to defend the 4.

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Xerion    0

PG: Conley, Chalmers

SG: McLemore, Selden, Daniels

SF: Parsons, Evans

PF: Thad Young, JAM, Martin

C: Gasol, Davis

 

G-League: Baldwin, Brooks, Zagorac

Traded: Wright, Ennis, Harrison

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chipc3    0

PG: Conley, Harrison, Baldwin
SG: Selden, McLemore, Daniels, Brooks
SF: Parsons, Evans, Zagorac
PF: Green, Martin, Wright
C: Gasol, Davis

Rabb remains unsigned and probably goes to Europe. Simmons is one of 2 Hustles players using the 2 way contract. Ennis is bought out of his contract (I believe it is only partially guaranteed anyway). 

However, I like Xerion's idea much better. 

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grizzgolf    0

I see Daniels still on the roster. Rabb is worrying me. Is Memphis not impressed with him? What kind of PF is he?

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chipc3    0
5 minutes ago, grizzgolf said:

I see Daniels still on the roster. Rabb is worrying me. Is Memphis not impressed with him? What kind of PF is he?

Rumor is the team offered Rabb the 2 way contract and he said stick it. Since Brooks is already signed I think there is some validity to this rumor right now

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fanboyslim    0
36 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

Ennis is bought out of his contract (I believe it is only partially guaranteed anyway). 

All the reference sites indicate his contract is fully guaranteed. Maybe there was a deadline sometime last season?

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2 minutes ago, Grizz&Grind said:

If Rabb refuses the 2 way and goes to Europe, do the Grizz still have his rights?

Yes. And no cap hold since he is a 2nd rounder. He'd be essentially like a draft-and-stash from an overseas league.

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chipc3    0
Just now, fanboyslim said:

All the reference sites indicate his contract is fully guaranteed. Maybe there was a deadline sometime last season?

Then a trade is coming. Too many wing players and Parsons is untradable, Selden is too cheap, Evans and McLemore were just signed. That leaves Ennis or Daniels on the trading block doesn't it? 

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fanboyslim    0
1 minute ago, chipc3 said:

Then a trade is coming. Too many wing players and Parsons is untradable, Selden is too cheap, Evans and McLemore were just signed. That leaves Ennis or Daniels on the trading block doesn't it? 

There's also Baldwin and Martin, who could be cut without a lot of financial pain. But I agree a trade is more likely.

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You could just cut daniels, baldwin, , and Martin without any major repercussions if you wanted. 1 year 1.something million salary is not a big deal to lose. Could also just cut Ennis too and take a 3 million hit. They're all expiring contracts

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chipc3    0
21 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

There's also Baldwin and Martin, who could be cut without a lot of financial pain. But I agree a trade is more likely.

While I agree about both players looking trade-able. I hate to see the franchise give up on rookies this early. Martin has been slowed by foot issues but he is extremely athletic. Baldwin is attempting to learn the most difficult position in the game. Cutting them early seems like such a waste but this is a business and sometimes you have to make tough decisions.  

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fanboyslim    0
1 minute ago, chipc3 said:

While I agree about both players looking trade-able. I hate to see the franchise give up on rookies this early. Martin has been slowed by foot issues but he is extremely athletic. Baldwin is attempting to learn the most difficult position in the game. Cutting them early seems like such a waste but this is a business and sometimes you have to make tough decisions.  

I think Daniels is the most likely to be traded simply because he pretty much fell out of the rotation last year and his contract is the longest. Ennis, with all his warts, still was a solid rotation player.

Baldwin and Martin aren't going to break the bank one way or another, so it would make sense to try and keep them unless it was absolutely necessary to make roster space (or they were parts in a trade). But I have the gut feeling that one of them will be moved.

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5 minutes ago, fanboyslim said:

I think Daniels is the most likely to be traded simply because he pretty much fell out of the rotation last year and his contract is the longest. Ennis, with all his warts, still was a solid rotation player.

Baldwin and Martin aren't going to break the bank one way or another, so it would make sense to try and keep them unless it was absolutely necessary to make roster space (or they were parts in a trade). But I have the gut feeling that one of them will be moved.

Not to mention that Ennis is a true SF with 6 knee operations ahead of him in the rotation!  

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2 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

While I agree about both players looking trade-able. I hate to see the franchise give up on rookies this early. Martin has been slowed by foot issues but he is extremely athletic. Baldwin is attempting to learn the most difficult position in the game. Cutting them early seems like such a waste but this is a business and sometimes you have to make tough decisions.  

On a related note: I was listening to GrindCity podcast and Cyprien was on it discussing Summer League.  He mentioned that they purposely played Baldwin off the ball alot and allowed Wayne to play on the ball more.    Could it be that they are beginning to see that Wade's future is more at the 2 than PG?    

If that's true then Is SG Wade Baldwin a worthy investment?  IMHO his physical tools aren't as tantalizing as a SG prospect.  To me developing Wayne Selden into dynamic SG is a more achievable goal then Wade Baldwin SG.          Wayne's natural tools gives him the higher ceiling in that position as well.     Wayne is a more natural secondary playmaker than Wade is as a primary one. 

Similar to how it may just be simpler to see if Martin can be a SF rather than keep trying to make him a PF.  

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It could be that the team is giving up on Baldwin as a PG or it could mean they are trying to get Selden to work on his handles more to help Conley with the workload. We'll have to see what happens going forward. 

Did Cyprien say they were concerned about Baldwin on the ball or was this just your conclusion? 

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2 minutes ago, chipc3 said:

It could be that the team is giving up on Baldwin as a PG or it could mean they are trying to get Selden to work on his handles more to help Conley with the workload. We'll have to see what happens going forward. 

Did Cyprien say they were concerned about Baldwin on the ball or was this just your conclusion? 

No he didn't say that they were concerned about Baldwin on the ball.   He just mentioned that Wade played off the ball alot.   According to him; Kobi ran PG duties and even Wayne did as well.    

I think they are evaluating Wade's best usage going forward. I agree that they are trying to develop Wayne as a secondary playmaker.  Apparently they don't want to limit him to just a defensive specialist, which is a good thing. 

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26 minutes ago, GrizzTigerFan said:

No he didn't say that they were concerned about Baldwin on the ball.   He just mentioned that Wade played off the ball alot.   According to him; Kobi ran PG duties and even Wayne did as well.    

I think they are evaluating Wade's best usage going forward. I agree that they are trying to develop Wayne as a secondary playmaker.  Apparently they don't want to limit him to just a defensive specialist, which is a good thing. 

Couldn't agree more. 

Which once again means we are probably way off base! 

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Oh didn't post my roster prediction:

PG:Mike/Harrison/Chalmers

SG:Ben/Reke/Wayne

SF:Parsons/Ennis/Brooks/Rade

PF:JaM/Wright/Rabb/

C:Gasol/Davis

 

Martin, Daniels, and Wade are shown the door. 

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pjoe    0

PG:  Conley, Chalmers, Harrison

SG:  Allen (yeah, yeah ... love me some TA), McLemore, Daniels

SF:  Parsons, Evans, Seldon

PF:  Green, Martin, Ennis

C:  Gasol, Wright, Davis

G-League: Baldwin, Rade, Brooks, Simmons

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bhoyal    0
5 hours ago, chipc3 said:

PG: Conley, Harrison, Baldwin
SG: Selden, McLemore, Daniels, Brooks
SF: Parsons, Evans, Zagorac
PF: Green, Martin, Wright
C: Gasol, Davis

Rabb remains unsigned and probably goes to Europe. Simmons is one of 2 Hustles players using the 2 way contract. Ennis is bought out of his contract (I believe it is only partially guaranteed anyway). 

However, I like Xerion's idea much better. 

Zagorac?  Did he even have one really good game in Summer ball?  I saw most of the games and don't recall him doing anything above G-league.  Martin ahead of Wright?  Despite Wright's constant injuries,  I don't see it happening.  When push comes to shove, I don't think Fiz will want to part with Ennis.

 

Not saying all those eventualities are best for the team,  just happen to think that is how things will shake out.

 

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29 minutes ago, bhoyal said:

Zagorac?  Did he even have one really good game in Summer ball?  I saw most of the games and don't recall him doing anything above G-league.  Martin ahead of Wright?  Despite Wright's constant injuries,  I don't see it happening.  When push comes to shove, I don't think Fiz will want to part with Ennis.

Not saying all those eventualities are best for the team,  just happen to think that is how things will shake out.

Zagorac was just signed to a new contract in July. I sincerely doubt that the Grizzlies are going to give up on him before the season begins. Ben McLemore and Tyreke Evans were signed in July. Parsons has a huge contract. Brooks was signed last week. It's simply a numbers game here and you can't have all these wings on the roster. 

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Father Pat    0

Wells posted a very good article in the "Draft and Free Agency '17" thread. http://www.nba.com/article/2017/07/24/morning-tip-unintended-consequences-cba-free-agency-2017 . It explains why the free agent money dried up this summer, and points out that there will probably be less trades this season at the deadline because team salary will now be figured as actual salary paid instead of salary on the books at the end of the season. Because of this I believe Wright and Ennis have much more trade value because other G.M.'s will want expiring contracts so they aren't in a bind next summer. I think Daniels will be on the roster because he has a 2 year deal and no other team will want him. If low salary cuts are made just to clear roster spots, I believe they will be Martin, Chalmers, and Baldwin, in that order if necessary. 

PG: Conley, Harrison & Baldwin

Wings: Parsons, McLemore, Selden, Brooks, Evans, Rade, Daniels, and Ennis.

Bigs: Gasol, Davis, Wright and Jam.

That's 15. Ennis and Wright will be there or the guys they get for them will be there. I think it's 50 - 50 that Jam comes back. Wallace could give a bump to the QO and feed Jam's incompetent agent a line about more money being available next season. Chalmers might stick around until that plays out, but I see Martin getting waived. We'll be short on bigs but they have already spoke of Parsons playing some PF so that will probably be their idea of addressing it until he proves that it won't work.

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12 minutes ago, Father Pat said:

It explains why the free agent money dried up this summer, and points out that there will probably be less trades this season at the deadline because team salary will now be figured as actual salary paid instead of salary on the books at the end of the season.

Note that Aldridge mentions that the actual salary paid bit applies to the calculation of minimum team salaries, and its impact on trades will be that teams will no longer make phantom trade for players just to reach that minimum. He makes no comment on trades in general.

To clarify the thing about actual salary paid, in the 2011 CBA a traded player's new team received the entire benefit of his salary for purposes of minimum team salary calculation. In the 2017 CBA, the new team only receives the pro-rated portion of his salary from the date of the trade until the end of the season (or the day he's traded again in the same season). So let's say you're $1M under the minimum team salary by the trade deadline. In the 2011 CBA you could trade for a player on a $1.5M non-guaranteed contract who has already been paid more than $1M by his old team, waive him, and count that $1M you didn't pay towards your minimum salary. If you do the same in the 2017 CBA, that player would count $0 towards the minimum salary.

Since this means teams will have to pay the NBA team minimum salary regardless, there's no incentive in trading vs. just writing a check to the league at the end of the season.

However, your point about expiring contracts is still valid. Expirings contracts were almost worthless last season when everyone and their dog was flush with cap space. Now many teams will need to do a lot of salary magic to make space for free agents or to get out of paying the tax, and expiring contracts will be valuable again. How valuable? No idea, but I bet there will be a few trades for significant expiring contracts before the 2018 deadline (my personal bet, the Raptors trade for VC to get out of tax hell and give him a farewell tour).

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grizzgolf    0
17 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Rumor is the team offered Rabb the 2 way contract and he said stick it. Since Brooks is already signed I think there is some validity to this rumor right now

Wow. He should have signed it and worked on his skills. I wonder how that will play out.

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