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1 hour ago, TimBC said:

You raise an interesting point. Since we have a zillion stats available already, why not add one more: the Q score?
In marketing and entertainment, it "is a measurement of the familiarity and appeal of a brand, celebrity, company, or entertainment product"  

For the NBA, we could compute something like (% of fans who have even heard of the guy) - 1.5x (% who think he is hot garbage) + 1.24x (% who think he will be an allstar this season) + 0.1(% who go "meh, he's a tenth man at best")

Thats probably what PER is.

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On 8/6/2017 at 0:43 PM, Dwash said:

Thats probably what PER is.

Nah. PER uses actual performance. My stat is pure perception. Lots of high-PER players have a least a few fans who think they stink; lots of low-PER players have loyal fans who are sure their guy is just underutiilized. 

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On 7/28/2017 at 2:06 PM, The Truth is OUT said:

Bottom line, nobody should be weeping for Jam.  He's still going to get life changing money in comparison to what he was making before.  If his agent convinced him he was going to easily get into 8 figures, then Jam will hopefully learn something and move forward, instead of be bitter about not hitting the grand slam.  He will only be signing a 3-year, so he needs to think about the future.  He can either get another similar deal or he can be on the cusp of being out of the league.  It's up to him.

I hear you.  You are right, but the Grizz should try to wrap this up now.  They have made their point.  The market Jamychal and his idiot agent thought was going to be there for him was NOT.  The Grizz played it the way they should have and it worked, but now the Grizz need a starting power forward and Zach is gone.  There is no one else.  Wallace can continue the silence and just keep embarrassing Green as no offers come in and he can just let Green twist in the wind and prove that the Grizzlies were right all along OR they can now make him a good, fair offer and try to get Green on board for the longer term future of the Grizzlies.  Otherwise they are going to have a resentful, upset player who really wont give a rats tail end how the Grizz do cause he has signed for the 1 yr qualifying offer and he will simply be counting the days until he can get the F out of Memphis and go ANYWHERE else.  Sure it wont be for as much money as he once thought he would get, but there will be no good will between JaMychal and the Grizz if this continues down this road.  

Now, if Wallace and Hollinger and Stefanski have decided that they dont give a crapt whether or not Green is here after this season, then they are certainly handling it the right way.  Maybe Green isnt in the Grizzlies longer/intermediate term plans.  If so, then so be it, but it would seem to me that the point has been made. There will be no massive offer sheet coming for Green.  Grizz played it perfectly, but now get your guy into the fold.  Show him you value him.  Make him a fair deal, not a low ball bargain basement one just because you can.  You need Green to play hard for you this season.  You need him NOT to be a cancer in the lockerroom.  Dont let him keep twisting in the wind.  Its time. 

 

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On 7/31/2017 at 7:19 PM, Father Pat said:

One thing is fairly certain, and that is Wallace was not communicating with Jam and/or his agent. If the Grizzlies do or did have Jam in their long term plans, then it would be fair to say that Wallace is absolutely incompetent. This would lead me to believe that the F.O. simply believes that Jam and his talent level is easily replaced or just not needed.

and he most likely could if MEM was anywhere near a decent destination for free agents, but its folly to think that you can just move on from a decent to good player like Green when just about all free agents will scour the league to go just about anywhere until they just cant find a team so they start listening to MEM.   Sure, there are plenty of power forwards out there who are just as good as Green and better, but they are not beating the door down to come to Memphis and until proven otherwise, the Grizzlies are NOT masters of the draft and dont draft high enough to get really good talent anyway.  Green is a good Grizzly player.  The Grizz developed him.  He plays hard.  He plays defense.  He is already on the team (or should be).  If you are.....well.....just about any other franchise like MIA or ORL or OKC or just about insert franchise name here, if you dont want Green, then move on from him and go get someone else, but its not that easy for MEM.  Players dont flock to Wallace's door begging to be Grizzlies.  We sign the players nobody else wants (McLemore) or players who other teams are scared of because of injury (Tyreke, Chandler Parsons).  Other than that, we get the bottom of the barrel who get cant get on with any other team in destination cities like MIA or DAL or HOU or LA or NY or CHI or just about anybody except maybe MIL or MINNY (and MINNY is a hot team right now with Thibs and all their talent).   

Wallace is just milking this trying to show everyone what a shrewd GM he is and how he has correctly played the Green situation, but he is going to end up with a disgruntled player who wants nothing more than the get the H out of MEM and that doesnt do anyone any good. 

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No sense making a commitment to a mediocre player when you could be blowing it up in 6 months or less.

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5 minutes ago, MemphisX said:

No sense making a commitment to a mediocre player when you could be blowing it up in 6 months or less.

well, I mean, if its gonna be blown up in 6 months, then what difference does it make.   Screw JaMychal and his agent and good luck in the future, but if you are going to try to make a run at an 8th straight playoff appearance, you are going to need a starting power forward and MEM doesnt have one. Plain and simple. Zbo is gone.  Blazing up 2 lbs of ganja out in Cali.  Who is is gonna play the 4?  Cause there is nobody on the roster right now that fits that description that I can think of.  He may be mediocre but who else is MEM gonna get?  These good to elite players arent coming to MEM unless they are damaged goods or they are forced here by being traded here. 

If MEM is gonna blow it up and trade Marc and start tanking, they are taking a big risk.  This is Memphis, not Boston or Chicago or LA.  The franchise has worked hard to build its fanbase.  To start blowing things up and tanking and all that, the powers that be better be prepared for mass exodus of fans.  MEM has already had its share of 20 win seasons when the team got here.  This tanking stuff isnt going to play well within Grizz Nation-- or just my take.  Heck, it might be the thing to do.  Trade Marc for some draft picks and hope to build around Mike Conley and maybe get back to playoffs toward the end of Mike's contract, but its a heck of a risk to take especially with MEM's track record of screwing up drafts.   Im a season ticket holder and I know I dont want to watch it, but I may be in the minority. 

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 Attendance falls in every market that rebuilds. That's the business. Acting as if it is unique to Memphis makes you seem ignorant.

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On 8/19/2017 at 5:09 PM, MemphisX said:

 Attendance falls in every market that rebuilds. That's the business. Acting as if it is unique to Memphis makes you seem ignorant.

**** X, calling me ignorant--wow!!  OK.  Of course attendance would fall during rebuilding.  My point is that it isnt guaranteed to come back like it does in larger cities.  Why would you say something like that?  Oh yeah, you didnt call me ignorant, you said it made me SEEM ignorant. Well, I promise I am not and if the Grizzlies want to do a full rebuild, that is their prerogative, but this isnt CHI or BOS or LA.  Attendance might not just come right back .  I've lived here all my life as maybe you have and I know MEM and it has taken years of winning to build what they have now.  It would be ignorant for somebody (not you X as I know you are not ignorant) to just assume that MEM can blow things up, build right back with the draft (which they have yet to prove they can master) and free agents (which we get only damaged FAs or ones nobody else wants) and attendance will be right back where it has been.  I may not be as knowledgeable about NBA players and teams as you are X, but I know Memphis and that aint happenin here.  

So Wallace can move on from Jamychal since he is apparently mediocre and he may very well be, but I have yet to see the long line of power forwards beating the door down to get to Chris Wallace and beg to play in Memphis.  

Maybe they are going to count on Ivan Rabb to be the future PF and that may be a good move.  My ONLY point is that Memphis is somewhat "unique" as a market because if the team tanks and wins 25-30 games a year for a couple years, it will damage the fanbase much more than it would in NY or LA or CHI or BOS where they will just about sell out no matter what record their team has.  Thats all Im saying. 

If Wallace wants to move on from mediocre Jamychal but still wants to make run at an 8th playoff berth, he is still going to need a serviceable PF and I dont think Ivan Rabb is ready yet so who will it be??

 

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Why would they not come back? Where are they going to go? When we start back winning the bangwagon fans will come back. Memphis supports winning

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People said fans wouldn't comeback if we traded Shane Battier. If you know Memphis, you know as soon as the team gets good or a star, the fans will come.

Attendance will fall this season regardless.

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9 hours ago, MemphisX said:

People said fans wouldn't comeback if we traded Shane Battier. If you know Memphis, you know as soon as the team gets good or a star, the fans will come.

Attendance will fall this season regardless.

Memphis supports teams that win and abandons those who don't. Tigers football is winning so the fans turn out. Tiger basketball is losing and they aren't showing up. Same will hold true with the Grizzlies. 

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attendance will fall this season because this team will be bad 34-48

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20 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Memphis supports teams that win and abandons those who don't. Tigers football is winning so the fans turn out. Tiger basketball is losing and they aren't showing up. Same will hold true with the Grizzlies. 

Completely true and I don't see anything wrong with it. Memphis just isn't one of those places where people will spend their hard-earned money to support a lousy team.

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On 8/22/2017 at 10:59 PM, MemphisX said:

People said fans wouldn't comeback if we traded Shane Battier. If you know Memphis, you know as soon as the team gets good or a star, the fans will come.

Attendance will fall this season regardless.

 

22 hours ago, chipc3 said:

Memphis supports teams that win and abandons those who don't. Tigers football is winning so the fans turn out. Tiger basketball is losing and they aren't showing up. Same will hold true with the Grizzlies. 

 

1 hour ago, The_PROOF said:

Completely true and I don't see anything wrong with it. Memphis just isn't one of those places where people will spend their hard-earned money to support a lousy team.

That's most cities. I would say that cities that support losers are the exception and not the rule. Memphis is no different.

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58 minutes ago, Notorious O.D.K. said:

 

 

That's most cities. I would say that cities that support losers are the exception and not the rule. Memphis is no different.

Most of the cities that get attendance during losing years have huge populations or absolutely nothing else to do like Salt Lake or Green Bay where the city just has tremendous pride in the team. Memphis aint like that. The Grizz are just something to do here.

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8 minutes ago, Dwash said:

Most of the cities that get attendance during losing years have huge populations or absolutely nothing else to do like Salt Lake or Green Bay where the city just has tremendous pride in the team. Memphis aint like that. The Grizz are just something to do here.

I agree but it raises the question, what is different about Memphis that Green Bay and Salt Lake. It's not like Memphis has a ton of other professional options. 

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The Packers are a totally different beast.........13 NFL championships, 96 years in existance, and fans coast to coast. Yes only about 100k in Green Bay, Milwaukee is 2 hours, and people travel there from all over to games. 

The Jazz have been pretty good over the years.

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2 minutes ago, Jetfixer said:

The Packers are a totally different beast.........13 NFL championships, 96 years in existance, and fans coast to coast. Yes only about 100k in Green Bay, Milwaukee is 2 hours, and people travel there from all over to games. 

The Jazz have been pretty good over the years.

There are a few other cities like OKC. Came out in groves to support the Hornets in their one year stop. Look at how Memphis treated the Oilers/Titans in contrast. Simply because Memphis knew it was temporary.

Honestly not sure what it is about the mentalities of the cities. It just seems that those cities feel in order to keep a team you must fill the stands. Memphis just isnt as attached for some rrason.

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6 hours ago, Dwash said:

There are a few other cities like OKC. Came out in groves to support the Hornets in their one year stop. Look at how Memphis treated the Oilers/Titans in contrast. Simply because Memphis knew it was temporary.

Honestly not sure what it is about the mentalities of the cities. It just seems that those cities feel in order to keep a team you must fill the stands. Memphis just isnt as attached for some rrason.

Okc knew they were auditioning and has had 3 megastars from just about Day 1. They have been on easy street.

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2 hours ago, MemphisX said:

Okc knew they were auditioning and has had 3 megastars from just about Day 1. They have been on easy street.

I would be willing to bet they are still there even after Westbrook and George are gone. 

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On 8/24/2017 at 8:03 AM, chipc3 said:

I agree but it raises the question, what is different about Memphis that Green Bay and Salt Lake. It's not like Memphis has a ton of other professional options. 

 

One major difference is that Memphis is also one of the poorest Metro areas in the US.

The average US poverty rate is 14.7% The Memphis poverty rate is 26.2% (but it is declining, and stats are from the 2016 Poverty Fact Sheet from the University of Memphis, Hooks Institute).  Memphis holds the top spot for child poverty in the USA (populations greater than 1,000,000).

Salt Lake City has one of the lower poverty rates for larger populations.

If there is a family in Memphis that chooses to not attend a Grizzlies game because they are making other important financial decisions and don't have the money, they aren't bad fans, they just don't have the money or time.

However, for many fans in the area, it isn't that they can't afford to go to games, they just choose to spend their money elsewhere.  It is not difficult to find tickets to the lesser opponents for under $5, and I know that just counters much of what I started with.

 

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3 minutes ago, Grizzled Vet said:

 

One major difference is that Memphis is also one of the poorest Metro areas in the US.

The average US poverty rate is 14.7% The Memphis poverty rate is 26.2% (but it is declining, and stats are from the 2016 Poverty Fact Sheet from the University of Memphis, Hooks Institute).  Memphis holds the top spot for child poverty in the USA (populations greater than 1,000,000).

Salt Lake City has one of the lower poverty rates for larger populations.

If there is a family in Memphis that chooses to not attend a Grizzlies game because they are making other important financial decisions and don't have the money, they aren't bad fans, they just don't have the money or time.

However, for many fans in the area, it isn't that they can't afford to go to games, they just choose to spend their money elsewhere.  It is not difficult to find tickets to the lesser opponents for under $5, and I know that just counters much of what I started with.

 

And sometimes that else where is the casino, lottery, liquor or drugs. People spend their money how they choose and it's up to them. I don't think it's always spending on necessity though. Also, the Memphis poverty rate is one of the biggest reasons why this city should have never gotten a pro sports teams, especially not basketball which is 41 homes games a year plus the pre-season and post season. that's a lot of games and a lot of money spent on concessions or whatever in comparison to the NFL.

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6 minutes ago, Grizzled Vet said:

 

One major difference is that Memphis is also one of the poorest Metro areas in the US.

The average US poverty rate is 14.7% The Memphis poverty rate is 26.2% (but it is declining, and stats are from the 2016 Poverty Fact Sheet from the University of Memphis, Hooks Institute).  Memphis holds the top spot for child poverty in the USA (populations greater than 1,000,000).

Salt Lake City has one of the lower poverty rates for larger populations.

If there is a family in Memphis that chooses to not attend a Grizzlies game because they are making other important financial decisions and don't have the money, they aren't bad fans, they just don't have the money or time.

However, for many fans in the area, it isn't that they can't afford to go to games, they just choose to spend their money elsewhere.  It is not difficult to find tickets to the lesser opponents for under $5, and I know that just counters much of what I started with.

 

Yeah I had a feeling that was part of it too (poverty) but didnt feel like doing the research.

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If poverty was the problem then the Football Tigers, basketball Tigers and Grizzlies attendance wouldn't swing from one extreme to another based on their records. I imagine the poverty rate doesn't change too much based on how well the Tigers or Grizzlies perform on the field.

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